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Postby Vassenor » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:09 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-trump-visit-canada-1.3845013
http://time.com/4566395/donald-trump-th ... ationship/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/world ... .html?_r=0

So far so good. Seems like world leaders are eager to meet him


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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:09 pm

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Luminesa wrote:Because he took down any mention of pro-life stuff on his website and has never cared for the pro-life debate except to win the Evangelicals and various pro-life organizations. This much I know is true. I know he's a con. I've never trusted him. But this much I know. He does not give two cares about the abortion debate, about homosexuality, about trans people, etc.

By electing pro-life justices, though, he will be able to move. He's pro-life, dont worry

If he doesn't care, I even doubt he's going to do that.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:09 pm

Well. I've lost another friend because of this election. Apparently I should be shot for not voting Trump.

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:10 pm

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The Portland Territory wrote:By electing pro-life justices, though, he will be able to move. He's pro-life, dont worry


I'm not sure I'd say he is pro-life. Nor that his justices will hold pro-life positions.

We'll have to see what he's got in hand. I would be surprised though if he re-nominates Garland.

He'll probably pick someone like Kennedy. That would make sense.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:11 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:Well. I've lost another friend because of this election. Apparently I should be shot for not voting Trump.

I think we have all lost friends to this election. I'm sorry. :hug:
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:11 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:Well. I've lost another friend because of this election. Apparently I should be shot for not voting Trump.

I think we have all lost friends to this election. I'm sorry. :hug:


I somehow haven't.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:11 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I'm not sure I'd say he is pro-life. Nor that his justices will hold pro-life positions.

We'll have to see what he's got in hand. I would be surprised though if he re-nominates Garland.

He'll probably pick someone like Kennedy. That would make sense.


He either has someone tapped from corporate sector, or he's using a Pence shortlist. Either would explain why he didn't publicize a nomination during the campaign.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:12 pm

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Luminesa wrote:Still socially liberal. He's not pro-life. He's not going to move Roe v. Wade.

Luminesa wrote:THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS. O.O

So, you know he's not going to move Roe v. Wade, but you've been saying for months that you don't know what he'll do.

Run by me how that works.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:12 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:Well. I've lost another friend because of this election. Apparently I should be shot for not voting Trump.

I'm sorry to hear that. I've had some relationships strained because I voted third party. It isn't fun when people can't seperate polotics from friendship.

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Luminesa wrote:I think we have all lost friends to this election. I'm sorry. :hug:


I somehow haven't.

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:12 pm

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Luminesa wrote:He'll probably pick someone like Kennedy. That would make sense.


He either has someone tapped from corporate sector, or he's using a Pence shortlist. Either would explain why he didn't publicize a nomination during the campaign.

I would be more likely to believe the first one.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:13 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
So, you know he's not going to move Roe v. Wade, but you've been saying for months that you don't know what he'll do.

Run by me how that works.

Because he took down any mention of pro-life stuff on his website and has never cared for the pro-life debate except to win the Evangelicals and various pro-life organizations. This much I know is true. I know he's a con. I've never trusted him. But this much I know. He does not give two cares about the abortion debate, about homosexuality, about trans people, etc.

If he's a con, if we don't know what he'll do, then surely it doesn't matter what he gives two cares about(is that really a thing people say?), he'll do whatever he thinks will further his con. In fact, if he doesn't care about abortion, doesn't that make it more likely that he'll ban abortion if he thinks it'll get him a second term or whatever?
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Postby Hittanryan » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:13 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:Well. I've lost another friend because of this election. Apparently I should be shot for not voting Trump.

So that's how they react when they thought you were politically incorrect?
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:13 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:Well. I've lost another friend because of this election. Apparently I should be shot for not voting Trump.

I'm sorry to hear that. I've had some relationships strained because I voted third party. It isn't fun when people can't seperate polotics from friendship.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I somehow haven't.

Lucky.

I feel a lot better now about voting third-party than I did when I voted two weeks ago.
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faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:15 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I somehow haven't.

Lucky.


It probably helps that pretty much everyone I know hates Hillary so they didn't much care when I voted for someone other than her.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Because he took down any mention of pro-life stuff on his website and has never cared for the pro-life debate except to win the Evangelicals and various pro-life organizations. This much I know is true. I know he's a con. I've never trusted him. But this much I know. He does not give two cares about the abortion debate, about homosexuality, about trans people, etc.

If he's a con, if we don't know what he'll do, then surely it doesn't matter what he gives two cares about(is that really a thing people say?), he'll do whatever he thinks will further his con. In fact, if he doesn't care about abortion, doesn't that make it more likely that he'll ban abortion if he thinks it'll get him a second term or whatever?

He doesn't have to now. He's in office, he can basically do what he wants. The worst that can happen to him is he disagrees with his party and that jams everything. He could do what you described, but again, I don't think he cares enough about that issue. He only really brought it up in the first place because he was asked, and even then he gave mainly no-answers. I don't see him doing very much at least in this issue. I don't know about most anything else.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:16 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:Well. I've lost another friend because of this election. Apparently I should be shot for not voting Trump.


Oh dear. I'm sorry. :hug:
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
Lucky.


It probably helps that pretty much everyone I know hates Hillary so they didn't much care when I voted for someone other than her.

It probably doesn't help that most of the people I know were pro Hilary. A good chunk of them have made third party voters the scapegoat in this election.

Luminesa wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:I'm sorry to hear that. I've had some relationships strained because I voted third party. It isn't fun when people can't seperate polotics from friendship.


Lucky.

I feel a lot better now about voting third-party than I did when I voted two weeks ago.

Good, people shouldn't feel bad about how they voted.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I think we have all lost friends to this election. I'm sorry. :hug:


I somehow haven't.

I haven't lost any friends, but rather I have made new enemies. And not just here

Also, my condolences Scylia. These things shouldn't of had to happen :unsure:
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:20 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It probably helps that pretty much everyone I know hates Hillary so they didn't much care when I voted for someone other than her.

It probably doesn't help that most of the people I know were pro Hilary. A good chunk of them have made third party voters the scapegoat in this election.


Yeah, I'm getting really tired of that shit really fast.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I somehow haven't.

I haven't lost any friends, but rather I have made new enemies. And not just here

Also, my condolences Scylia. These things shouldn't of had to happen :unsure:


I actually only added one person to my foe list here over the election, I'm still kinda shocked by that.

But yeah it does suck people are losing friends over this.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:20 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:By electing pro-life justices, though, he will be able to move. He's pro-life, dont worry


I'm not sure I'd say he is pro-life. Nor that his justices will hold pro-life positions.

We'll have to see what he's got in hand. I would be surprised though if he re-nominates Garland.


It would be a genius move and would reassure millions.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:It probably doesn't help that most of the people I know were pro Hilary. A good chunk of them have made third party voters the scapegoat in this election.


Yeah, I'm getting really tired of that shit really fast.

The Portland Territory wrote:I haven't lost any friends, but rather I have made new enemies. And not just here

Also, my condolences Scylia. These things shouldn't of had to happen :unsure:


I actually only added one person to my foe list here over the election, I'm still kinda shocked by that.

But yeah it does suck people are losing friends over this.

I haven't lost any friends.

Most everybody I know has been pretty much like "So yeah... THAT happened."
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:20 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:Well. I've lost another friend because of this election. Apparently I should be shot for not voting Trump.

I'm sorry to hear that. I've had some relationships strained because I voted third party. It isn't fun when people can't seperate polotics from friendship.


That's the problem. First one completely cut ties with me after telling me I was what was wrong with my country (She's Canadian). And now this one (American.)

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:21 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I somehow haven't.

I haven't lost any friends, but rather I have made new enemies. And not just here

Also, my condolences Scylia. These things shouldn't of had to happen :unsure:


You may have a lot of new enemies. I'm not one of them.

I respect Trump supporters. I just hope you guys don't get too disappointed.

I was just thinking not too long ago, and I cannot shake the feeling, and I hope I am wrong, that Trump might end up in the middle of a assassination attempt either from someone in the far left, or the far right.

Again, I hope I am wrong, but I don't put it past. He's won a divisive election, and further, I know he won't keep many of his promises on the campaign trail, so the right will be justifiably pissed, while Pence is a relative nobody who conforms better to the right's agenda.
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Postby The East Marches » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:21 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:Well. I've lost another friend because of this election. Apparently I should be shot for not voting Trump.


Are you sure they were your friend in the first place?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:22 pm

Galloism wrote:I haven't lost any friends.

Most everybody I know has been pretty much like "So yeah... THAT happened."


Man I think we were all like that.

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:I haven't lost any friends, but rather I have made new enemies. And not just here

Also, my condolences Scylia. These things shouldn't of had to happen :unsure:


You may have a lot of new enemies. I'm not one of them.

I respect Trump supporters. I just hope you guys don't get too disappointed.

I was just thinking not too long ago, and I cannot shake the feeling, and I hope I am wrong, that Trump might end up in the middle of a assassination attempt either from someone in the far left, or the far right.

Again, I hope I am wrong, but I don't put it past. He's won a divisive election, and further, I know he won't keep many of his promises on the campaign trail, so the right will be justifiably pissed, while Pence is a relative nobody who conforms better to the right's agenda.


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