US Gen. Election Thread FINALE - Votegeddon

[Valaran]

Ah yes, because slutshaming Melania is a great way to express your frustration here.

She's a dits with enough plastic in her to make lego jealous. Being FLOTUS doesn't magically exempt her from being seen as a vain twat.

B-but

life in plastic,

its fantastic.

[Uxupox]

Really a "Fuck Trophy"? Real mature man.

Oh right, Trump had an affair with and married her for her intelligence, education and political views.

People can get married because they like each other you know? But hey man I guess it must be because she is an escort right???

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It is, but then again, you have Scylla's idea to make the EC proportionate, which is a better idea than abolishing it altogether.

And that would help the problem, but it wouldn't fix the problem (Wyoming voters will still have over 3x the voting power of Californians). There's a problem with that notion, though.

Each state has the sole right for determining how the electors are apportioned, and it's very much a public action problem. Let's suppose Texas decided to go proportionate - it would be very very difficult for a Republican to win the white house in that scenario, and given Texas is majority republican, they don't want to hurt their chances (in this election, of 38 EVs, Trump would have gotten 20 and Hillary would have gotten 18).

Conversely, in California, if they went proportionate, it would be very very difficult for a democrat to win the white house in that scenario. Hillary would have gotten 34 EVs and Trump would have gotten 21 EVs.

The only way to do that would be to get everyone to agree to do that or pass a constitutional amendment requiring it.

I would be fine with an amendment like that, to be honest, and would fully support it.

Of course, not everyone would be on board with me, but it would make things more competitive and fairer to the people.

My problem with abolishing the electoral college is the rural-urban divide. It's not going to get solved soon, and it will only get worse over time.

[Gauthier]

Oh right, Trump had an affair with and married her for her intelligence, education and political views.

People can get married because they like each other you know? But hey man I guess it must be because she is an escort right???

Like how Trump "liked" Ivana, Marla and numerous women.

[Uxupox]

People can get married because they like each other you know? But hey man I guess it must be because she is an escort right???

Like how Trump "liked" Ivana, Marla and numerous women.

Whatever floats one boat. People these days get divorced and remarried all the time. Myself I've been in multiple relationships as well. But I guess there is no such thing with "liking" if its Trump right???

[Galloism]

And that would help the problem, but it wouldn't fix the problem (Wyoming voters will still have over 3x the voting power of Californians). There's a problem with that notion, though.

Each state has the sole right for determining how the electors are apportioned, and it's very much a public action problem. Let's suppose Texas decided to go proportionate - it would be very very difficult for a Republican to win the white house in that scenario, and given Texas is majority republican, they don't want to hurt their chances (in this election, of 38 EVs, Trump would have gotten 20 and Hillary would have gotten 18).

Conversely, in California, if they went proportionate, it would be very very difficult for a democrat to win the white house in that scenario. Hillary would have gotten 34 EVs and Trump would have gotten 21 EVs.

The only way to do that would be to get everyone to agree to do that or pass a constitutional amendment requiring it.

I would be fine with an amendment like that, to be honest, and would fully support it.

Of course, not everyone would be on board with me, but it would make things more competitive and fairer to the people.

My problem with abolishing the electoral college is the rural-urban divide. It's not going to get solved soon, and it will only get worse over time.

I honestly think, and keep in mind lacking a crystal ball we're just talking opinions here, that the EC actually exacerbates the urban/rural divide compared with a popular vote system (ideally, i'd also setup instant runoff preference elections so someone ALWAYS receives 50%+1 of the vote eventually). This is because a lot of rural states - and urban states - get completely ignored by presidents, because they are either "in the bag" or "unreachable".

That would be somewhat helped if EVs were proportionate, but even in that system, it gives disproportionate influence to smaller states. Now, notice my phrasing - smaller states, not rural states. I use this phrasing because states like Delaware, DC, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Vermont, etc ALSO have disproportionate electoral power. It's not because they are particularly rural states, but the fact that they are small states.

The funny part is, if California split into 50 separate states, they'd actually have a hell of a lot more power (both congressionally and for president). This is the core of a math problem in that if you restructure the lines, the result changes, even though no opinions did and no one moved.

[Shofercia]

Ok, who gave Harry Reid that much vodka?

"I have personally been on the ballot in Nevada for 26 elections and I have never seen anything like the reaction to the election completed last Tuesday. The election of Donald Trump has emboldened the forces of hate and bigotry in America. White nationalists, Vladimir Putin and ISIS are celebrating Donald Trump’s victory, while innocent, law-abiding Americans are wracked with fear – especially African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Muslim Americans, LGBT Americans and Asian Americans. Watching white nationalists celebrate while innocent Americans cry tears of fear does not feel like America."

"I have heard more stories in the past 48 hours of Americans living in fear of their own government and their fellow Americans than I can remember hearing in five decades in politics. Hispanic Americans who fear their families will be torn apart, African Americans being heckled on the street, Muslim Americans afraid to wear a headscarf, gay and lesbian couples having slurs hurled at them and feeling afraid to walk down the street holding hands. American children waking up in the middle of the night crying, terrified that Trump will take their parents away. Young girls unable to understand why a man who brags about sexually assaulting women has been elected president."

Yep, that's Harry Reid attempting to sound coherent. Knowing Trump's and Putin's popular stance, I wouldn't rule out a race between them, about who can eliminate ISIS faster - Putin in Syria or Trump in Iraq, which makes ISIS a winner in Reid's book. Nothing makes you a winner quite like being eliminated, just ask the Carthaginians! So apparently these Asian Americans and Latino Americans are more scared of Trump than of any other Republican nominee, like, say, Mitt Romney, right? NBC says: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-ameri ... ns-n682491

If these numbers are accurate, Donald Trump had another magic trick up his sleeve beyond his astonishing triumph in the election. These numbers tell us that Trump outperformed Mitt Romney among Asian Americans and Latinos.

Ouch! Talk about an inconvenient truth! It's also interesting how Harry Reid didn't mention White Americans, but rather, White Nationalists. Way to stir up some hatred Harry! When we need to unite, you divide us with bullshit. And people wonder why some think that Democratic Leadership has some stupid old farts. Law abiding Americans are wrecked with fear, like those who illegally crossed the border. Hey, if being eliminated = winning, then violating the law = law abiding. Just ask Harry Reid.

And being a sexist is the only thing that Trump apologized for in the entire campaign. "I'm going to encourage others to be sexist, by saying it's wrong!" How much vodka did Harry have? So let's see here, the past five decades, that would place us in 1965. So there are more slurs hurled at gays and blacks now than in the 1960s? Muslims are more scared now than in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? Ok, who gave Reid crack with vodka? Who did it? It was Hillary, wasn't it?

[Shofercia]

And in lighter news, Kelly Ann Conway puts salt on open wounds: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-cam ... 06740.html

Donald Trump's campaign manager Kellyanne Conway on Friday replied to an old tweet from Hillary Clinton's campaign spokesman that highlighted Trump's supposed long-shot chances of winning the presidency.

"With early vote in NV looking strong, if Clinton also holds MI, it forces Trump to run table in OH-PA-NC-FL," spokesman Brian Fallon tweeted November 5 in response to tweet that noted Clinton would be campaigning in Michigan.

Thanks for the tip - we ran the four-state OH-PA-NC-FL table indeed and added MI in for good measure.

Note, that unlike Reid's attempt at trying to make white Americans look guilty, (perhaps Reid's tears could help California's drought,) Conway's zinger simply targeted an analyst who got it wrong. I think the new chair of the RNC might just be a woman. And if DNC takes my advice on the Klobuchar-Warren-Gabbard trio, we could have intelligent women leading both parties.

[Arlenton]

Ok, who gave Harry Reid that much vodka?

"I have personally been on the ballot in Nevada for 26 elections and I have never seen anything like the reaction to the election completed last Tuesday. The election of Donald Trump has emboldened the forces of hate and bigotry in America. White nationalists, Vladimir Putin and ISIS are celebrating Donald Trump’s victory, while innocent, law-abiding Americans are wracked with fear – especially African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Muslim Americans, LGBT Americans and Asian Americans. Watching white nationalists celebrate while innocent Americans cry tears of fear does not feel like America."

"I have heard more stories in the past 48 hours of Americans living in fear of their own government and their fellow Americans than I can remember hearing in five decades in politics. Hispanic Americans who fear their families will be torn apart, African Americans being heckled on the street, Muslim Americans afraid to wear a headscarf, gay and lesbian couples having slurs hurled at them and feeling afraid to walk down the street holding hands. American children waking up in the middle of the night crying, terrified that Trump will take their parents away. Young girls unable to understand why a man who brags about sexually assaulting women has been elected president."

Yep, that's Harry Reid attempting to sound coherent. Knowing Trump's and Putin's popular stance, I wouldn't rule out a race between them, about who can eliminate ISIS faster - Putin in Syria or Trump in Iraq, which makes ISIS a winner in Reid's book. Nothing makes you a winner quite like being eliminated, just ask the Carthaginians! So apparently these Asian Americans and Latino Americans are more scared of Trump than of any other Republican nominee, like, say, Mitt Romney, right? NBC says: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-ameri ... ns-n682491

If these numbers are accurate, Donald Trump had another magic trick up his sleeve beyond his astonishing triumph in the election. These numbers tell us that Trump outperformed Mitt Romney among Asian Americans and Latinos.

Ouch! Talk about an inconvenient truth! It's also interesting how Harry Reid didn't mention White Americans, but rather, White Nationalists. Way to stir up some hatred Harry! When we need to unite, you divide us with bullshit. And people wonder why some think that Democratic Leadership has some stupid old farts. Law abiding Americans are wrecked with fear, like those who illegally crossed the border. Hey, if being eliminated = winning, then violating the law = law abiding. Just ask Harry Reid.

And being a sexist is the only thing that Trump apologized for in the entire campaign. "I'm going to encourage others to be sexist, by saying it's wrong!" How much vodka did Harry have? So let's see here, the past five decades, that would place us in 1965. So there are more slurs hurled at gays and blacks now than in the 1960s? Muslims are more scared now than in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? Ok, who gave Reid crack with vodka? Who did it? It was Hillary, wasn't it?

Yeah, glad Harry Reid is gone. He really liked to bash Republicans at every turn.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Ok, who gave Harry Reid that much vodka?

"I have personally been on the ballot in Nevada for 26 elections and I have never seen anything like the reaction to the election completed last Tuesday. The election of Donald Trump has emboldened the forces of hate and bigotry in America. White nationalists, Vladimir Putin and ISIS are celebrating Donald Trump’s victory, while innocent, law-abiding Americans are wracked with fear – especially African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Muslim Americans, LGBT Americans and Asian Americans. Watching white nationalists celebrate while innocent Americans cry tears of fear does not feel like America."

"I have heard more stories in the past 48 hours of Americans living in fear of their own government and their fellow Americans than I can remember hearing in five decades in politics. Hispanic Americans who fear their families will be torn apart, African Americans being heckled on the street, Muslim Americans afraid to wear a headscarf, gay and lesbian couples having slurs hurled at them and feeling afraid to walk down the street holding hands. American children waking up in the middle of the night crying, terrified that Trump will take their parents away. Young girls unable to understand why a man who brags about sexually assaulting women has been elected president."

Yep, that's Harry Reid attempting to sound coherent. Knowing Trump's and Putin's popular stance, I wouldn't rule out a race between them, about who can eliminate ISIS faster - Putin in Syria or Trump in Iraq, which makes ISIS a winner in Reid's book. Nothing makes you a winner quite like being eliminated, just ask the Carthaginians! So apparently these Asian Americans and Latino Americans are more scared of Trump than of any other Republican nominee, like, say, Mitt Romney, right? NBC says: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-ameri ... ns-n682491

If these numbers are accurate, Donald Trump had another magic trick up his sleeve beyond his astonishing triumph in the election. These numbers tell us that Trump outperformed Mitt Romney among Asian Americans and Latinos.

Ouch! Talk about an inconvenient truth! It's also interesting how Harry Reid didn't mention White Americans, but rather, White Nationalists. Way to stir up some hatred Harry! When we need to unite, you divide us with bullshit. And people wonder why some think that Democratic Leadership has some stupid old farts. Law abiding Americans are wrecked with fear, like those who illegally crossed the border. Hey, if being eliminated = winning, then violating the law = law abiding. Just ask Harry Reid.

And being a sexist is the only thing that Trump apologized for in the entire campaign. "I'm going to encourage others to be sexist, by saying it's wrong!" How much vodka did Harry have? So let's see here, the past five decades, that would place us in 1965. So there are more slurs hurled at gays and blacks now than in the 1960s? Muslims are more scared now than in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? Ok, who gave Reid crack with vodka? Who did it? It was Hillary, wasn't it?

I've been seeing a lot of opinion pieces about how Latinos are going to get fucked after this election. The exit poll increase will also see some of us Latinos being targeted by the same unlikely bedfellows we have been espousing out of practical purposes: Democrats.

Trump's a moron, but if he goes by the exit polls, he will find many Latinos put their confidence in him and he probably remain a moderate towards us.

That is actually a silver lining on this election towards my ethnical group, if anything.

[Galloism]

Ok, who gave Harry Reid that much vodka?



Yep, that's Harry Reid attempting to sound coherent. Knowing Trump's and Putin's popular stance, I wouldn't rule out a race between them, about who can eliminate ISIS faster - Putin in Syria or Trump in Iraq, which makes ISIS a winner in Reid's book. Nothing makes you a winner quite like being eliminated, just ask the Carthaginians! So apparently these Asian Americans and Latino Americans are more scared of Trump than of any other Republican nominee, like, say, Mitt Romney, right? NBC says: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-ameri ... ns-n682491



Ouch! Talk about an inconvenient truth! It's also interesting how Harry Reid didn't mention White Americans, but rather, White Nationalists. Way to stir up some hatred Harry! When we need to unite, you divide us with bullshit. And people wonder why some think that Democratic Leadership has some stupid old farts. Law abiding Americans are wrecked with fear, like those who illegally crossed the border. Hey, if being eliminated = winning, then violating the law = law abiding. Just ask Harry Reid.

And being a sexist is the only thing that Trump apologized for in the entire campaign. "I'm going to encourage others to be sexist, by saying it's wrong!" How much vodka did Harry have? So let's see here, the past five decades, that would place us in 1965. So there are more slurs hurled at gays and blacks now than in the 1960s? Muslims are more scared now than in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? Ok, who gave Reid crack with vodka? Who did it? It was Hillary, wasn't it?

I've been seeing a lot of opinion pieces about how Latinos are going to get fucked after this election. The exit poll increase will also see some of us Latinos being targeted by the same unlikely bedfellows we have been espousing out of practical purposes: Democrats.

Trump's a moron, but if he goes by the exit polls, he will find many Latinos put their confidence in him and he probably remain a moderate towards us.

That is actually a silver lining on this election towards my ethnical group, if anything.

Hopefully you're right on the Trump moderation thing.

[Ifreann]

And in lighter news, Kelly Ann Conway puts salt on open wounds: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-cam ... 06740.html

Donald Trump's campaign manager Kellyanne Conway on Friday replied to an old tweet from Hillary Clinton's campaign spokesman that highlighted Trump's supposed long-shot chances of winning the presidency.

"With early vote in NV looking strong, if Clinton also holds MI, it forces Trump to run table in OH-PA-NC-FL," spokesman Brian Fallon tweeted November 5 in response to tweet that noted Clinton would be campaigning in Michigan.

Thanks for the tip - we ran the four-state OH-PA-NC-FL table indeed and added MI in for good measure.

Note, that unlike Reid's attempt at trying to make white Americans look guilty, (perhaps Reid's tears could help California's drought,) Conway's zinger simply targeted an analyst who got it wrong. I think the new chair of the RNC might just be a woman. And if DNC takes my advice on the Klobuchar-Warren-Gabbard trio, we could have intelligent women leading both parties.

Intelligent women leading both parties? Sounds like a feminist conspiracy to me.
*stuffs tinfoil down pants*

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Hopefully you're right on the Trump moderation thing.

He's not showing any signs on keeping on being deranged now that he has won and has been a very humble winner.

I am actually more scared of what Pence would do if Trump delegates power to him than what I am at Trump at this point.

[Arlenton]

Ok, who gave Harry Reid that much vodka?



Yep, that's Harry Reid attempting to sound coherent. Knowing Trump's and Putin's popular stance, I wouldn't rule out a race between them, about who can eliminate ISIS faster - Putin in Syria or Trump in Iraq, which makes ISIS a winner in Reid's book. Nothing makes you a winner quite like being eliminated, just ask the Carthaginians! So apparently these Asian Americans and Latino Americans are more scared of Trump than of any other Republican nominee, like, say, Mitt Romney, right? NBC says: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-ameri ... ns-n682491



Ouch! Talk about an inconvenient truth! It's also interesting how Harry Reid didn't mention White Americans, but rather, White Nationalists. Way to stir up some hatred Harry! When we need to unite, you divide us with bullshit. And people wonder why some think that Democratic Leadership has some stupid old farts. Law abiding Americans are wrecked with fear, like those who illegally crossed the border. Hey, if being eliminated = winning, then violating the law = law abiding. Just ask Harry Reid.

And being a sexist is the only thing that Trump apologized for in the entire campaign. "I'm going to encourage others to be sexist, by saying it's wrong!" How much vodka did Harry have? So let's see here, the past five decades, that would place us in 1965. So there are more slurs hurled at gays and blacks now than in the 1960s? Muslims are more scared now than in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? Ok, who gave Reid crack with vodka? Who did it? It was Hillary, wasn't it?

I've been seeing a lot of opinion pieces about how Latinos are going to get fucked after this election. The exit poll increase will also see some of us Latinos being targeted by the same unlikely bedfellows we have been espousing out of practical purposes: Democrats.

Trump's a moron, but if he goes by the exit polls, he will find many Latinos put their confidence in him and he probably remain a moderate towards us.

That is actually a silver lining on this election towards my ethnical group, if anything.

Trump going moderate on Latinos will be the best thing for the GOP's future. If successful, he can take back Nevada and Colorado, take Arizona off the table, and actually win the popular vote by not doing shitty in Texas.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Trump going moderate on Latinos will be the best thing for the GOP's future. If successful, he can take back Nevada and Colorado, take Arizona off the table, and actually win the popular vote by not doing shitty in Texas.

I've seen Latinos worrying about Trump, myself.

However, I think Trump is not our problem, right now, but Democrats who are not going to like at all that they lost their margin on the Latino vote.

Like I have said before, both sides have their idiots. I am fully convinced at least some Democrat loyal party members don't like us right now.

So, the GOP has to show that they can deal with minorities with an even hand and eye-to-eye on some of our issues, because after this, I am thinking Democrats are going to try to whip us back in line.

[Arlenton]

Remember back when Hillary was supposed to lose the upper South by a lesser margin than Obama because she is white, and it's obvious that those voters only trended so Republican because they are racist and not any other reason?

Lol.

[Valrifell]

Friendly reminder that this is one election with one person, because one person from one party performed better with a group than in previous years, does not necessarily reflect a trend.

[Arlenton]

Trump going moderate on Latinos will be the best thing for the GOP's future. If successful, he can take back Nevada and Colorado, take Arizona off the table, and actually win the popular vote by not doing shitty in Texas.

I've seen Latinos worrying about Trump, myself.

However, I think Trump is not our problem, right now, but Democrats who are not going to like at all that they lost their margin on the Latino vote.

Like I have said before, both sides have their idiots. I am fully convinced at least some Democrat loyal party members don't like us right now.

So, the GOP has to show that they can deal with minorities with an even hand and eye-to-eye on some of our issues, because after this, I am thinking Democrats are going to try to whip us back in line.

I hope the GOP is able to do that. I'm sure the border security will increase and all, but probably not an actual wall. The fact that Trump did better than Romney with Hispanics is very surprising, and shows that he will be able to improve on his margin in 2020 if he does things correctly. Him being an incumbent instead of some non-politician rambling on about deporting and building a wall may be enough for him to get back to at least McCain margins. If he somehow gets anywhere near George W Bush margins while keeping his white working class margins, RIP Democrats.

[Gauthier]

TFW people swallow a documented con artist's pitch as signs he won't fuck many groups over despite his flip flopping.

[Arlenton]

Friendly reminder that this is one election with one person, because one person from one party performed better with a group than in previous years, does not necessarily reflect a trend.

The fact that Trump was, according to all we knew of elections prior to this election, one of the worst candidates in history, I wouldn't write off these trends.

[Valrifell]

Friendly reminder that this is one election with one person, because one person from one party performed better with a group than in previous years, does not necessarily reflect a trend.

The fact that Trump was, according to all we knew of elections prior to this election, one of the worst candidates in history, I wouldn't write off these trends.

It's not a trend, it's a singular data point from one of the most anomalous elections in American history between two of the most hated candidates ever. I am absolutely writing off your "trends" until you can prove they are actually, in fact, trends.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

TFW people swallow a documented con artist's pitch as signs he won't fuck many groups over despite his flip flopping.

I'm actually going by the exit polls, not by whatever the hell Trump has said.

As much as we'd like to deny it, he performed better among Latinos and other minorities than Romney ever did.

That, I hope, weights into the GOP agenda for the next four years.

[Arlenton]

The fact that Trump was, according to all we knew of elections prior to this election, one of the worst candidates in history, I wouldn't write off these trends.

It's not a trend, it's a singular data point from one of the most anomalous elections in American history between two of the most hated candidates ever. I am absolutely writing off your "trends" until you can prove they are actually, in fact, trends.

Look at the upper south's vote. 1996 it went Democrat, in 2000 it went Republican, in 2004 it went more Republican, in 2008 More R, 2012 more R, 2016 more R.

[Valrifell]

It's not a trend, it's a singular data point from one of the most anomalous elections in American history between two of the most hated candidates ever. I am absolutely writing off your "trends" until you can prove they are actually, in fact, trends.

Look at the upper south's vote. 1996 it went Democrat, in 2000 it went Republican, in 2004 it went more Republican, in 2008 More R, 2012 more R, 2016 more R.

I was referring more towards the Latino vote thing. But it's worth noting that 1996 was Bill Clinton's re-election and he was wildly popular at the time.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I've seen Latinos worrying about Trump, myself.

However, I think Trump is not our problem, right now, but Democrats who are not going to like at all that they lost their margin on the Latino vote.

Like I have said before, both sides have their idiots. I am fully convinced at least some Democrat loyal party members don't like us right now.

So, the GOP has to show that they can deal with minorities with an even hand and eye-to-eye on some of our issues, because after this, I am thinking Democrats are going to try to whip us back in line.

I hope the GOP is able to do that. I'm sure the border security will increase and all, but probably not an actual wall. The fact that Trump did better than Romney with Hispanics is very surprising, and shows that he will be able to improve on his margin in 2020 if he does things correctly. Him being an incumbent instead of some non-politician rambling on about deporting and building a wall may be enough for him to get back to at least McCain margins. If he somehow gets anywhere near George W Bush margins while keeping his white working class margins, RIP Democrats.

His statements about deporting criminal illegal immigrants, if true, would actually boost Latino's margin of approval towards him. We have no problems with illegal immigrants, as much as the Trump vote would suggest but we are sick and tired of people who commit crimes and are illegal immigrants tarnishing the image of our community.

If he passes immigration reform, or some sort of work permit legislation for people already here, and increases border security, he might even boost numbers for next presidential election.

If he helps black communities in the inner cities and passes legislation protecting them, as well as create executive orders which prohibits racial profiling (and he can do that, because law enforcement falls under him in several ways), he'd end up boosting his numbers among blacks.

He has to play his cards right though, and mostly, perhaps, be the Nixon for the 21st century Republicans. You know "Only Nixon could go to China" and all that.