Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

That's exactly what I'm telling you. It's no mere coincidence the fascists lost.

Not one for the materialist theory of history then?

Burn it to the ground and salt the remains so nothing can grow again.

[The Grene Knyght]

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Motherfucking called it.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

What 'Global Cabal'? What 'Engineered' system?


I don't see any problem with hierarchy to an extent: it is actually beneficial, I believe.

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

How is it proof that the Left has been winning?

Because the original core ideology of the right has been sent to the fringe? If thats not a victory I dont know what is.

Why must everyone blame the Jews?

It always helps to foolishly think your enemies are going to lose to you every time and you can conquer their country that is 10 times bigger than yours in 3 months, when they have more manpower and cities and resources to throw at you.

Clash of ideology determines everything, from who you war with, to where you war with them at, to how you war with them.

That it does.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

It hasn't been reinterpreted: I'm fairly certain that its original interpretation has remained almost identical since its first conception.

Ideas gradually change: 'Today's Liberals are tomorrow's Conservatives.

Fair enough.

We like rekting our enemies, as it seems.

Overconfident idiots always lose.

Also people with bigger guns.

[Conserative Morality]

Looks like a soldier of the French Foreign legion to me.

It was more of an idiom than an actual question, but I like that answer. I'll take it.

Why do you think it was ideology which won the war?

Because ideology is the determinant of everything. The Nazis' ideology was hopelessly stupid. They wasted resources WASTING resources, set up their own people against each other (and I mean 'Aryan' Germans v. 'Aryan' Germans - the Nazi government was a fucking mess), believe in hyperaggressive expansionism not on the basis of actual gain, but on their PURE ARYAN BLOOD, and so on, and so forth.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Do I look like a Marxist?

Looks like a soldier of the French Foreign legion to me.

Why do you think it was ideology which won the war?

Because the Germans and Japanese and Italians chose to fight a war in which they were outnumbered, outproduced and outgunned because they thought their enemies would fold to them in 2 Planck times and would offer less resistance than the least resistant resistor at the same time.

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are the lowest that one can fall, short of Young Earth Creationism and Flat Earth Society.

[Venerable Bede]

Not one for the materialist theory of history then?

Do I look like a Marxist?

You look like if Will Robinson became a humanities buff instead of a STEM buff.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.


Because the original core ideology of the right has been sent to the fringe? If thats not a victory I dont know what is.

Why must everyone blame the Jews?

Clash of ideology determines everything, from who you war with, to where you war with them at, to how you war with them.

That it does.

Unfortunately for the Jew, they will be used as a scapegoat for all eternity.

[-Fahrong-]

Are you really going to tell me that between the US, USSR, UK, Third Reich, and Italy, that what decided the war was first and formost ideology? What?

That's exactly what I'm telling you. It's no mere coincidence the fascists lost.

I am astounded. Alright, I can clearly see that we will not agree, and that there is no point to us discussing.

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Motherfucking called it.

I have said it before.

Well, once the moneyed and powerful adapted themselves to living with it and not living to kill it, they could reinterpret it to their own ends.

It hasn't been reinterpreted: I'm fairly certain that its original interpretation has remained almost identical since its first conception.

Again, less ironic, and just proof that the Left Wing have been winning.

Ideas gradually change: 'Today's Liberals are tomorrow's Conservatives.

And as I support the ideas and values of tradition which still remain as they are, I have no reason to support these former leftists trying to sit in my wing.

Are you really going to tell me that between the US, USSR, UK, Third Reich, and Italy, that what decided the war was first and formost ideology? What?

Well, the Germans thought you guys were literally incapable of beating them. They had the wrong mindset to win.
Like:

*soviet-german football match*
*soviets get every opportunity to win and don't take it at all, like ever- like this is only supposed to happen after 1 trillion football games this is so rare*
*happens every soviet-german football match*
*germans always win*

Nonsense, A march into Russia earlier without the Greek delay, or a more focused push on Moscow was all that was necessary.

Th-that's not true! Liberals are weak! Liberals are cowards! Liberals can't do anything! That's why glorious right-wing rules the world!

Kaiser: "Those Anglo-French liberal swine are cattle for the slaughter."
*WW1 happens, Germany loses*
Mussolini: "The English liberals are weak, they'll surrender easily."
*Italy gets curbstomped in East Africa and Libya*
Tojo: "The Western countries are decadent and will sue for peace quickly."
*Need I even say what happened?*

Admittedly naive to a degree, but they still certainly loss because of a lesser industrial strength, and strategic error.

[Venerable Bede]

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are the lowest that one can fall, short of Young Earth Creationism and Flat Earth Society.

Flat Earth is better since it's more aesthetic and less homicidal.

[Germanic Templars]

-Fahrong- makes a point though.

Admittedly naive to a degree, but they still certainly loss because of a lesser industrial strength, and strategic error.

[Minzerland II]

The supposed 'founding ideology of the left wing' now generally considered a Right-Wing ideology; that's pretty ironic, don't you think?

Most of history skews right #nowthatswhaticallprogress

It would be folly to apply 'Left & Right' to anything before its conception, but as a Rule of Thumb, yes.

What 'Global Cabal'? What 'Engineered' system?


I don't see any problem with hierarchy to an extent: it is actually beneficial, I believe.

I view it as inevitable and lending itself equally to mediocrity, success, or abuse.
The only problem for me really arises when that hierarchy is used to deny people equal status under the law.

Which is fine.

What 'Global Cabal'? What 'Engineered' system?

You know... the cabal! Wait, let me try a little harder...

It must be controlled by the Jewish 'Global Cabal', I guarantee it.

[The Grene Knyght]

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are the lowest that one can fall, short of Young Earth Creationism and Flat Earth Society.

Honestly, probably lower, since at least those other ones don't necessitate hatred as part of their core beliefs

[Conserative Morality]

You look like if Will Robinson became a humanities buff instead of a STEM buff.

Flat Earth is better since it's more aesthetic and less homicidal.

I'd honestly take YECs over anti-semites. Though they can collide.

[Sanctissima]

You do realize there was this thing called Antiquity, right?

The concept of a nation has existed long before the Enlightenment.

The nation had undergone a fundamental change due to the Enlightenment, and is completely different from what could be considered a nation pre-Enlightenment.

A nation-state is also purely a liberal ideal, concepted due to the Enlightenment.

Eh, even though the terminology came from the Enlightenment, one could argue that some civilizations like Rome (particularly the Late Republic and beyond) fit the definition of a nation-state.

[Minzerland II]

What 'Global Cabal'? What 'Engineered' system?


I don't see any problem with hierarchy to an extent: it is actually beneficial, I believe.

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Holy shit you said it.

Ideas gradually change: 'Today's Liberals are tomorrow's Conservatives.

Indeed. The day will come when I will be a fogey old conservative.

We will all be fogey old conservatives who tend to our lawns and threaten those who tread on it one day.

[-Fahrong-]

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.


Because the original core ideology of the right has been sent to the fringe? If thats not a victory I dont know what is.

That's natural for the political scale, older ideologies will be seen as more and more conservative as time continues. Classical Liberalism may even become a fringe ideology, that would of course take a very long time.

But if I agree with the former political system, what reason do I have to accept these changes?

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are the lowest that one can fall, short of Young Earth Creationism and Flat Earth Society.

Eh, one two of those are irrational, mine certainly arent.

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.


Because the original core ideology of the right has been sent to the fringe? If thats not a victory I dont know what is.

Why must everyone blame the Jews?

Clash of ideology determines everything, from who you war with, to where you war with them at, to how you war with them.

That it does.

The Christ Killers have done nothing to disprove my antagonism.

[Conserative Morality]

-Fahrong- makes a point though.

Admittedly naive to a degree, but they still certainly loss because of a lesser industrial strength, and strategic error.

That fails to recognize why they started the war and why they pursued it the way they did. If Germany had made it a defensive war, if they had avoided Belgium altogether, if their mantra wasn't "For the glory of the Fatherland and Kaiser" but "For the protection of the Fatherland and Kaiser", do you think the Entente would've had the slightest chance at 'victory'?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Well, the Germans thought you guys were literally incapable of beating them. They had the wrong mindset to win.
Like:

*soviet-german football match*
*soviets get every opportunity to win and don't take it at all, like ever- like this is only supposed to happen after 1 trillion football games this is so rare*
*happens every soviet-german football match*
*germans always win*

Nonsense, A march into Russia earlier without the Greek delay, or a more focused push on Moscow was all that was necessary.

To be fair, that might have worked. They didn't choose to go straight for the kill though.

Why must everyone blame the Jews?

That it does.

Unfortunately for the Jew, they will be used as a scapegoat for all eternity.

2552: "The jews invented the UCE to make us bourgeois slaves of robots"
Fair enough.

Fair enough.

Overconfident idiots always lose.

Also people with bigger guns.

Especially then. If you have no real reason besides "our philosophy says so" for justifying your ambitious plans of expanding your country by 100,000% why are you even embarking on the effort? You'll almost certainly fail.

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

You look like if Will Robinson became a humanities buff instead of a STEM buff.

Flat Earth is better since it's more aesthetic and less homicidal.

I'd honestly take YECs over anti-semites. Though they can collide.

Ha, another Twilight Zone fan.

I despise them both. Even founders of Fascism thought racism was stupid.

[-Fahrong-]

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Holy shit you said it.

Indeed. The day will come when I will be a fogey old conservative.

We will all be fogey old conservatives who tend to our lawns and threaten those who tread on it one day.

Why are you surprised? Im basically a Black Hundreds member who time traveled to the current day.

-Fahrong- makes a point though.

That fails to recognize why they started the war and why they pursued it the way they did. If Germany had made it a defensive war, if they had avoided Belgium altogether, if their mantra wasn't "For the glory of the Fatherland and Kaiser" but "For the protection of the Fatherland and Kaiser", do you think the Entente would've had the slightest chance at 'victory'?

This falls into the false logic that Germany stood no chance of winning the way they did approach things.

[Minzerland II]

That's exactly what I'm telling you. It's no mere coincidence the fascists lost.

I am astounded. Alright, I can clearly see that we will not agree, and that there is no point to us discussing.

Motherfucking called it.

I have said it before.

It hasn't been reinterpreted: I'm fairly certain that its original interpretation has remained almost identical since its first conception.

Ideas gradually change: 'Today's Liberals are tomorrow's Conservatives.

And as I support the ideas and values of tradition which still remain as they are, I have no reason to support these former leftists trying to sit in my wing.

It means that Ideas migrate between the Right and Left.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

-Fahrong- makes a point though.

That fails to recognize why they started the war and why they pursued it the way they did. If Germany had made it a defensive war, if they had avoided Belgium altogether, if their mantra wasn't "For the glory of the Fatherland and Kaiser" but "For the protection of the Fatherland and Kaiser", do you think the Entente would've had the slightest chance at 'victory'?

Battle of Teutoberg Forest 1917 anyone?

That's natural for the political scale, older ideologies will be seen as more and more conservative as time continues. Classical Liberalism may even become a fringe ideology, that would of course take a very long time.

But if I agree with the former political system, what reason do I have to accept these changes?

Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are the lowest that one can fall, short of Young Earth Creationism and Flat Earth Society.

Eh, one two of those are irrational, mine certainly arent.

Why must everyone blame the Jews?

That it does.

The Christ Killers have done nothing to disprove my antagonism.

Well if they haven't, I'm not going to fight you to a standstill over it.

[Conserative Morality]

This falls into the false logic that Germany stood no chance of winning the way they did approach things.

They didn't. They weren't ruthless enough to properly perform the Schlieffen Plan, and they weren't moral enough to stop Belgium from being a bleeding ulcer in their side. They were too aggressive to preserve their men, and not aggressive enough to make the middle years of the war fluid rather than static. It goes on and on.