Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

[Minzerland II]

Ironic that Classical Liberalism is generally considered a Right-Wing ideology, huh?

Not ironic. Intentional. If the global cabal moves the window so that both sides are liberalism then they win either way. They engineer a system where there interests are guaranteed to be served and the people shackled.

What 'Global Cabal'? What 'Engineered' system?

Ironic that Classical Liberalism is generally considered a Right-Wing ideology, huh?

Going by OT's scale it seems that classical liberals don't mind hierarchy as long as it doesn't extend to law.

"The king's son raped my daughter!"
"We don't care lelelelelel u can't sue da kingz family stupid peasant. KILL THIS PEASANT WITCH NAO111!"
"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
*is lynched*

"The king's son raped my daughter!"
"We'll bring them in for trial...woops he paid us off sorry leeel"
"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
*riots and becomes a republican*

I don't see any problem with hierarchy to an extent: it is actually beneficial, I believe.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

The supposed 'founding ideology of the left wing' now generally considered a Right-Wing ideology; that's pretty ironic, don't you think?

Again, less ironic, and just proof that the Left Wing have been winning.

How is it proof that the Left has been winning?

[The Grene Knyght]

Compared to the more radical and ridiculous methods that came out maybe 50-200+ years after it, not really. I mean tbh just look at Christianity at the time it came about.

The supposed 'founding ideology of the left wing' now generally considered a Right-Wing ideology; that's pretty ironic, don't you think?

Most of history skews right #nowthatswhaticallprogress

[-Fahrong-]

I dont see what is particularly funny. There are a number of factors entirely more important to victory in war then ideology.

Not really. It takes significant differences in industrial scale and efficiency to make ideology not the most important factor.

Are you really going to tell me that between the US, USSR, UK, Third Reich, and Italy, that what decided the war was first and formost ideology? What?

[Germanic Templars]

Compared to the more radical and ridiculous methods that came out maybe 50-200+ years after it, not really. I mean tbh just look at Christianity at the time it came about.

The supposed 'founding ideology of the left wing' now generally considered a Right-Wing ideology; that's pretty ironic, don't you think?

Oooh... why yes it is now that you think about it.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Not ironic. Intentional. If the global cabal moves the window so that both sides are liberalism then they win either way. They engineer a system where there interests are guaranteed to be served and the people shackled.

What 'Global Cabal'? What 'Engineered' system?

Going by OT's scale it seems that classical liberals don't mind hierarchy as long as it doesn't extend to law.

"The king's son raped my daughter!"
"We don't care lelelelelel u can't sue da kingz family stupid peasant. KILL THIS PEASANT WITCH NAO111!"
"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
*is lynched*

"The king's son raped my daughter!"
"We'll bring them in for trial...woops he paid us off sorry leeel"
"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
*riots and becomes a republican*

I don't see any problem with hierarchy to an extent: it is actually beneficial, I believe.

I view it as inevitable and lending itself equally to mediocrity, success, or abuse.
The only problem for me really arises when that hierarchy is used to deny people equal status under the law.

[Conserative Morality]

What 'Global Cabal'? What 'Engineered' system?

You know... the cabal! Wait, let me try a little harder...

[Sanctissima]

The "nation" was made a source of loyalty and sacredness to replace the monarch; the monarch could now be punished for treason against the nation, for instance, whereas before, treason was understood as a betrayal of the monarch.

You do realize there was this thing called Antiquity, right?

The concept of a nation has existed long before the Enlightenment.

[Conserative Morality]

Are you really going to tell me that between the US, USSR, UK, Third Reich, and Italy, that what decided the war was first and formost ideology? What?

That's exactly what I'm telling you. It's no mere coincidence the fascists lost.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Not really. It takes significant differences in industrial scale and efficiency to make ideology not the most important factor.

Are you really going to tell me that between the US, USSR, UK, Third Reich, and Italy, that what decided the war was first and formost ideology? What?

Well, the Germans thought you guys were literally incapable of beating them. They had the wrong mindset to win.
Like:

*soviet-german football match*
*soviets get every opportunity to win and don't take it at all, like ever- like this is only supposed to happen after 1 trillion football games this is so rare*
*happens every soviet-german football match*
*germans always win*

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

Funny how liberal countries constantly wrecked non-liberal countries in different wars throughout the 19th and 20th century.

Th-that's not true! Liberals are weak! Liberals are cowards! Liberals can't do anything! That's why glorious right-wing rules the world!

Kaiser: "Those Anglo-French liberal swine are cattle for the slaughter."
*WW1 happens, Germany loses*
Mussolini: "The English liberals are weak, they'll surrender easily."
*Italy gets curbstomped in East Africa and Libya*
Tojo: "The Western countries are decadent and will sue for peace quickly."
*Need I even say what happened?*

[Even Less of Mackonia]

Are you really going to tell me that between the US, USSR, UK, Third Reich, and Italy, that what decided the war was first and formost ideology? What?

That's exactly what I'm telling you. It's no mere coincidence the fascists lost.

Not one for the materialist theory of history then?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Th-that's not true! Liberals are weak! Liberals are cowards! Liberals can't do anything! That's why glorious right-wing rules the world!

Kaiser: "Those Anglo-French liberal swine are cattle for the slaughter."
*WW1 happens, Germany loses*
Mussolini: "The English liberals are weak, they'll surrender easily."
*Italy gets curbstomped in East Africa and Libya*
Tojo: "The Western countries are decadent and will sue for peace quickly."
*Need I even say what happened?*

We like rekting our enemies, as it seems.

[Minzerland II]

The supposed 'founding ideology of the left wing' now generally considered a Right-Wing ideology; that's pretty ironic, don't you think?

Well, once the moneyed and powerful adapted themselves to living with it and not living to kill it, they could reinterpret it to their own ends.

It hasn't been reinterpreted: I'm fairly certain that its original interpretation has remained almost identical since its first conception.

The supposed 'founding ideology of the left wing' now generally considered a Right-Wing ideology; that's pretty ironic, don't you think?

Again, less ironic, and just proof that the Left Wing have been winning.

Ideas gradually change: 'Today's Liberals are tomorrow's Conservatives.

[Conserative Morality]

Not one for the materialist theory of history then?

Do I look like a Marxist?

[-Fahrong-]

Not ironic. Intentional. If the global cabal moves the window so that both sides are liberalism then they win either way. They engineer a system where there interests are guaranteed to be served and the people shackled.

What 'Global Cabal'? What 'Engineered' system?

Going by OT's scale it seems that classical liberals don't mind hierarchy as long as it doesn't extend to law.

"The king's son raped my daughter!"
"We don't care lelelelelel u can't sue da kingz family stupid peasant. KILL THIS PEASANT WITCH NAO111!"
"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
*is lynched*

"The king's son raped my daughter!"
"We'll bring them in for trial...woops he paid us off sorry leeel"
"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
*riots and becomes a republican*

I don't see any problem with hierarchy to an extent: it is actually beneficial, I believe.

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Again, less ironic, and just proof that the Left Wing have been winning.

How is it proof that the Left has been winning?

Because the original core ideology of the right has been sent to the fringe? If thats not a victory I dont know what is.

[Conserative Morality]

Ideas gradually change: 'Today's Liberals are tomorrow's Conservatives.

Indeed. The day will come when I will be a fogey old conservative.

[Pandeeria]

The "nation" was made a source of loyalty and sacredness to replace the monarch; the monarch could now be punished for treason against the nation, for instance, whereas before, treason was understood as a betrayal of the monarch.

You do realize there was this thing called Antiquity, right?

The concept of a nation has existed long before the Enlightenment.

The nation had undergone a fundamental change due to the Enlightenment, and is completely different from what could be considered a nation pre-Enlightenment.

A nation-state is also purely a liberal ideal, concepted due to the Enlightenment.

[Conserative Morality]

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

Motherfucking called it.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

That's exactly what I'm telling you. It's no mere coincidence the fascists lost.

Not one for the materialist theory of history then?

It always helps to foolishly think your enemies are going to lose to you every time and you can conquer their country that is 10 times bigger than yours in 3 months, when they have more manpower and cities and resources to throw at you.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

What 'Global Cabal'? What 'Engineered' system?


I don't see any problem with hierarchy to an extent: it is actually beneficial, I believe.

The Jews, and their Bourgeoisie stooges.

How is it proof that the Left has been winning?

Because the original core ideology of the right has been sent to the fringe? If thats not a victory I dont know what is.

That's natural for the political scale, older ideologies will be seen as more and more conservative as time continues. Classical Liberalism may even become a fringe ideology, that would of course take a very long time.

[Venerable Bede]

Daily reminder that Hobbes was a modernist, and even a liberal of sorts (despite opposing democracy).

Even an otherwise hopelessly broken clock tells the right time at least once per day.

I think he has no grasp of conscience, which places him firmly outside the camp of Christian social theory.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

Not one for the materialist theory of history then?

Do I look like a Marxist?

Looks like a soldier of the French Foreign legion to me.

Why do you think it was ideology which won the war?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Well, once the moneyed and powerful adapted themselves to living with it and not living to kill it, they could reinterpret it to their own ends.

It hasn't been reinterpreted: I'm fairly certain that its original interpretation has remained almost identical since its first conception.

Again, less ironic, and just proof that the Left Wing have been winning.

Ideas gradually change: 'Today's Liberals are tomorrow's Conservatives.

Fair enough.

Kaiser: "Those Anglo-French liberal swine are cattle for the slaughter."
*WW1 happens, Germany loses*
Mussolini: "The English liberals are weak, they'll surrender easily."
*Italy gets curbstomped in East Africa and Libya*
Tojo: "The Western countries are decadent and will sue for peace quickly."
*Need I even say what happened?*

We like rekting our enemies, as it seems.

Overconfident idiots always lose.

[Conserative Morality]

It always helps to foolishly think your enemies are going to lose to you every time and you can conquer their country that is 10 times bigger than yours in 3 months, when they have more manpower and cities and resources to throw at you.

Clash of ideology determines everything, from who you war with, to where you war with them at, to how you war with them.