Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

Wrong.

But seriously, all metaphysics amounts to is: "I think this would be great if it was real, therefore it must somehow be real".

That's the impression I got from dialectical materialism.

[Conserative Morality]

Nationalism is liberal bullshit.

It's preferable to an ideology that guarantees absolute power to somebody based on birth.

It also gives us lots of great music.

[Conserative Morality]

Metaphysics gets us into the whole rabbit hole of if even what our eyes see is real and if what our ears hear is real.

This kind of thinking is why people believe hallucinations and illusions.

[-Fahrong-]

What? Conservatives suck, you only conserve what has already been changed, your just classical liberals usually.

If you mean the political party, no I do not mean that. And what is so wrong with classical liberalism?

Liberalism in its original classical form is a modernist ideology that stands against moral values and tradition? And was the founding ideology of the left wing?

[Germanic Templars]

Metaphysics gets us into the whole rabbit hole of if even what our eyes see is real and if what our ears hear is real.

This kind of thinking is why people believe hallucinations and illusions.

Don't eat the mushrooms.

[Sanctissima]

But seriously, all metaphysics amounts to is: "I think this would be great if it was real, therefore it must somehow be real".

Metaphysics gets us into the whole rabbit hole of if even what our eyes see is real and if what our ears hear is real.

Either way, metaphysics, solipsism, all that yields nothing useful. It's interesting to ponder it alone, but in an argument it's completely worthless and a total dead end.

Fair enough.

It is worth noting that it relies completely on inflection, and particularly in the case of solipsism I could use the same logical route to claim that I'm a pink fedora-totting sparkly god-unicorn, and my argument would be just as valid. Sure it's a possibility, but the odds of it being true are like one in a gazillion.

But I digress, like you say, it's largely a dead end.

[Minzerland II]

Except it's neither liberal nor bullshit.

It grew out of the so-called Enlightenment. That in my book makes it both liberal and bullshit.

[Germanic Templars]

If you mean the political party, no I do not mean that. And what is so wrong with classical liberalism?

Liberalism in its original classical form is a modernist ideology that stands against moral values and tradition? And was the founding ideology of the left wing?

So things like feudalism?

[Sanctissima]

But seriously, all metaphysics amounts to is: "I think this would be great if it was real, therefore it must somehow be real".

That's the impression I got from dialectical materialism.

Heh, it's the kind of thing that starts with a reasonable assertion, and then goes completely overboard.

[Minzerland II]

If you mean the political party, no I do not mean that. And what is so wrong with classical liberalism?

Liberalism in its original classical form is a modernist ideology that stands against moral values and tradition? And was the founding ideology of the left wing?

Ironic that Classical Liberalism is generally considered a Right-Wing ideology, huh?

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

It's preferable to an ideology that guarantees absolute power to somebody based on birth.

Perhaps, but it's still nonetheless total bullshit.

An emotional judgement devoid of reason can be dismissed as such.

Liberalism in its original classical form is a modernist ideology that stands against moral values and tradition? And was the founding ideology of the left wing?

So things like feudalism?

Funny how liberal countries constantly wrecked non-liberal countries in different wars throughout the 19th and 20th century.

[Germanic Templars]

Liberalism in its original classical form is a modernist ideology that stands against moral values and tradition? And was the founding ideology of the left wing?

Ironic that Classical Liberalism is generally considered a Right-Wing ideology, huh?

Compared to the more radical and ridiculous methods that came out maybe 50-200+ years after it, not really. I mean tbh just look at Christianity at the time it came about.

[Venerable Bede]

It grew out of the so-called Enlightenment. That in my book makes it both liberal and bullshit.

The "nation" was made a source of loyalty and sacredness to replace the monarch; the monarch could now be punished for treason against the nation, for instance, whereas before, treason was understood as a betrayal of the monarch.

[-Fahrong-]

Liberalism in its original classical form is a modernist ideology that stands against moral values and tradition? And was the founding ideology of the left wing?

So things like feudalism?

Things like feudalism what?

Liberalism in its original classical form is a modernist ideology that stands against moral values and tradition? And was the founding ideology of the left wing?

Ironic that Classical Liberalism is generally considered a Right-Wing ideology, huh?

Not ironic. Intentional. If the global cabal moves the window so that both sides are liberalism then they win either way. They engineer a system where there interests are guaranteed to be served and the people shackled.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Liberalism in its original classical form is a modernist ideology that stands against moral values and tradition? And was the founding ideology of the left wing?

Ironic that Classical Liberalism is generally considered a Right-Wing ideology, huh?

Going by OT's scale it seems that classical liberals don't mind hierarchy as long as it doesn't extend to law.

"The king's son raped my daughter!"
"We don't care lelelelelel u can't sue da kingz family stupid peasant. KILL THIS PEASANT WITCH NAO111!"
"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
*is lynched*

"The king's son raped my daughter!"
"We'll bring them in for trial...woops he paid us off sorry leeel"
"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
*riots and becomes a republican*

[Venerable Bede]

The only thing that ever has or ever will induce people to perform or avoid certain actions is the threat of pure brute force.

Daily reminder that Hobbes was a modernist, and even a liberal of sorts (despite opposing democracy).

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Perhaps, but it's still nonetheless total bullshit.

An emotional judgement devoid of reason can be dismissed as such.

So things like feudalism?

Funny how liberal countries constantly wrecked non-liberal countries in different wars throughout the 19th and 20th century.

We had our reasons.
Besides, any new ideology will end up roflstomping someone a few times over at one point if it is to survive.

[Minzerland II]

Ironic that Classical Liberalism is generally considered a Right-Wing ideology, huh?

Compared to the more radical and ridiculous methods that came out maybe 50-200+ years after it, not really. I mean tbh just look at Christianity at the time it came about.

The supposed 'founding ideology of the left wing' now generally considered a Right-Wing ideology; that's pretty ironic, don't you think?

[Conserative Morality]

Funny how liberal countries constantly wrecked non-liberal countries in different wars throughout the 19th and 20th century.

Th-that's not true! Liberals are weak! Liberals are cowards! Liberals can't do anything! That's why glorious right-wing rules the world!

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Compared to the more radical and ridiculous methods that came out maybe 50-200+ years after it, not really. I mean tbh just look at Christianity at the time it came about.

The supposed 'founding ideology of the left wing' now generally considered a Right-Wing ideology; that's pretty ironic, don't you think?

Well, once the moneyed and powerful adapted themselves to living with it and not living to kill it, they could reinterpret it to their own ends.

[-Fahrong-]

Perhaps, but it's still nonetheless total bullshit.

An emotional judgement devoid of reason can be dismissed as such.

So things like feudalism?

Funny how liberal countries constantly wrecked non-liberal countries in different wars throughout the 19th and 20th century.

I dont see what is particularly funny. There are a number of factors entirely more important to victory in war then ideology.

The only thing that ever has or ever will induce people to perform or avoid certain actions is the threat of pure brute force.

Daily reminder that Hobbes was a modernist, and even a liberal of sorts (despite opposing democracy).

Indeed.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Funny how liberal countries constantly wrecked non-liberal countries in different wars throughout the 19th and 20th century.

Th-that's not true! Liberals are weak! Liberals are cowards! Liberals can't do anything! That's why glorious right-wing rules the world!

Just like on Benxboro.

[Conserative Morality]

I dont see what is particularly funny. There are a number of factors entirely more important to victory in war then ideology.

Not really. It takes significant differences in industrial scale and efficiency to make ideology not the most important factor.

[-Fahrong-]

Compared to the more radical and ridiculous methods that came out maybe 50-200+ years after it, not really. I mean tbh just look at Christianity at the time it came about.

The supposed 'founding ideology of the left wing' now generally considered a Right-Wing ideology; that's pretty ironic, don't you think?

Again, less ironic, and just proof that the Left Wing have been winning.

[The Princes of the Universe]

The only thing that ever has or ever will induce people to perform or avoid certain actions is the threat of pure brute force.

Daily reminder that Hobbes was a modernist, and even a liberal of sorts (despite opposing democracy).

Even an otherwise hopelessly broken clock tells the right time at least once per day.