Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

[Even Less of Mackonia]

Edgy shit right there, mate.

What's edgy about it? Knowing that rights are a purely human conception?

"gaiz if you don't believe every single person is endowed with absolute moral value which CANNOT BE VIOLATED EVAR and deserves to decide who runs the country because this piece of paper signed by some lawyers in new York says so. Well, I've got bad news for you - you're just EDGY!!!1"

Is a fairly common refrain on this part of the site.

[Germanic Templars]

Edgy shit right there, mate.

Does that make it wrong?

Didn't say it was wrong, just edgy.

Edgy shit right there, mate.

What's edgy about it? Knowing that rights are a purely human conception?

Not that but the last sentence. That runs close to Social Darwinism.

[Conserative Morality]

Nope. The laws of physics, force of gravity, we describe these things through ideas but they are not spooks. They're objective, tangible, observable things.

Objectivity is a spook. Tangibility is a spook. Observability is a spook. These are all just concepts we use to express the sensory input (also a spook) we receive and see the world (spook) through.

[The Princes of the Universe]

The only thing that ever has or ever will induce people to perform or avoid certain actions is the threat of pure brute force.

[Pandeeria]

What's edgy about it? Knowing that rights are a purely human conception?

"gaiz if you don't believe every single person is endowed with absolute moral value which CANNOT BE VIOLATED EVAR and deserves to decide who runs the country because this piece of paper signed by some lawyers in new York says so. Well, I've got bad news for you - you're just EDGY!!!1"

Is a fairly common refrain on this part of the site.

Yeah, I've noticed. It's a lot easier for the opposition just to label you as edgy rather than refuting your point, I guess.

[Pandeeria]

Nope. The laws of physics, force of gravity, we describe these things through ideas but they are not spooks. They're objective, tangible, observable things.

Objectivity is a spook. Tangibility is a spook. Observability is a spook. These are all just concepts we use to express the sensory input (also a spook) we receive and see the world (spook) through.

Using an idea to express an objective thing is not a spook.

[Conserative Morality]

The only thing that ever has or ever will induce people to perform or avoid certain actions is the threat of pure brute force.

Really? And here I thought that there were actually a broad array of tools at our disposal that can and have been used with great success. Oh well.

[Conserative Morality]

Using an idea to express an objective thing is not a spook.

>> objectivity
>> not a spook

lel

[Pandeeria]

The only thing that ever has or ever will induce people to perform or avoid certain actions is the threat of pure brute force.

Maybe if you have no clue how humans work.

[Pandeeria]

Using an idea to express an objective thing is not a spook.

>> objectivity
>> not a spook

lel

you sure got me there :^)

[The Princes of the Universe]

The only thing that ever has or ever will induce people to perform or avoid certain actions is the threat of pure brute force.

Really? And here I thought that there were actually a broad array of tools at our disposal that can and have been used with great success. Oh well.

All of which are either backed by brute force or are themselves forms thereof.

[Conserative Morality]

you sure got me there :^)

Seriously though, the idea of an objective world with a being independent from interpretation is just that - an idea.

[Tacker]

Sure

[Germanic Templars]

The only thing that ever has or ever will induce people to perform or avoid certain actions is the threat of pure brute force.

True in some cases but not all cases. If anything:

"Men ought either to be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so that the injury done to a man ought to be such that vengeance cannot be feared."
- Niccolo Machiavelli.

[Conserative Morality]

All of which are either backed by brute force or are themselves forms thereof.

Yeah, last time I was with my friends, I offered them recompense in exchange for avoiding a certain venue and attending one of my choosing for the evening meal. I was really doing a brute force there, I was.

[Sanctissima]

Really? And here I thought that there were actually a broad array of tools at our disposal that can and have been used with great success. Oh well.

All of which are either backed by brute force or are themselves forms thereof.

Yeah, that's... not how things work.

I mean, there's quite literally psychologists and other professionals who have based their careers off of figuring out what motivates people, and the fear of punishment is hardly the gist of their findings.

[Pandeeria]

you sure got me there :^)

Seriously though, the idea of an objective world with a being independent from interpretation is just that - an idea.

That's getting into the bounds of metaphysics, a place where I do not wish to drag in spooks for it's gets really weird and complicated.

Regardless objective things like science are not spooks. Deciding not to hurt yourself or others is not a spooky concept for it causes objective harm.

[Conserative Morality]

That's getting into the bounds of metaphysics, a place where I do not wish to drag in spooks for it's gets really weird and complicated.

Regardless objective things like science are not spooks. Deciding not to hurt yourself or others is not a spooky concept for it causes objective harm.

It's an arbitrary distinction. "The things I like are objectively real, the things other people use are not."

[Pandeeria]

That's getting into the bounds of metaphysics, a place where I do not wish to drag in spooks for it's gets really weird and complicated.

Regardless objective things like science are not spooks. Deciding not to hurt yourself or others is not a spooky concept for it causes objective harm.

It's an arbitrary distinction. "The things I like are objectively real, the things other people use are not."

Wrong.

[Germanic Templars]

All of which are either backed by brute force or are themselves forms thereof.

Yeah, last time I was with my friends, I offered them recompense in exchange for avoiding a certain venue and attending one of my choosing for the evening meal. I was really doing a brute force there, I was.

This gave me a serious giggle.

[Sanctissima]

It's an arbitrary distinction. "The things I like are objectively real, the things other people use are not."

Wrong.

But seriously, all metaphysics amounts to is: "I think this would be great if it was real, therefore it must somehow be real".

[Conserative Morality]

Wrong.

Nice one.

This gave me a serious giggle.

Always happy to be of service.

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

Early nationalism was a part of the Left, and there were many socialist-nationalist movements. Something doesn't automatically equal Right-wing if its nationalistic.

Nationalism is liberal bullshit.

It's preferable to an ideology that guarantees absolute power to somebody based on birth.

[Pandeeria]

Wrong.

But seriously, all metaphysics amounts to is: "I think this would be great if it was real, therefore it must somehow be real".

Metaphysics gets us into the whole rabbit hole of if even what our eyes see is real and if what our ears hear is real.

Either way, metaphysics, solipsism, all that yields nothing useful. It's interesting to ponder it alone, but in an argument it's completely worthless and a total dead end.

[Pandeeria]

Nationalism is liberal bullshit.

It's preferable to an ideology that guarantees absolute power to somebody based on birth.

Perhaps, but it's still nonetheless total bullshit.