Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

[Diopolis]

because belief in natural rights and equality are essential to 'scientific progress'.

Scientific progress was already happening and had been happening for some time in Europe, it was the science which enabled the bollocks of the Enlightenment, not the other way around.

If people want to content themselves with foolish things like kings and divine rights and feudalism, then so be it. It does not make them any more scientific than the actual established scientific method, which has it's roots of concept dating all the way back to the Enlightenment.

The scientific method is quite a bit older than the enlightenment.

[Germanic Templars]

That's your opinion, mate.

Ask those still around of the ~110,000 people locked up in 1942 who had done nothing wrong just how far rights got them.

Okay? Care why? Anything? Bueller?

[Pandeeria]

If people want to content themselves with foolish things like kings and divine rights and feudalism, then so be it. It does not make them any more scientific than the actual established scientific method, which has it's roots of concept dating all the way back to the Enlightenment.

The scientific method was pioneered by Francis Bacon based on Machiavelli's political philosophy.

In other words, the antithesis of everything "The Enlightenment" stood for.

The Enlightenment stood up empiricism. It questioned the church, it questioned if gods actually rule through divine right and questioned if it should not be a feudal nobility but the people themselves that should decide upon their leaders (of course with the Enlightenment and Liberalism, this in practice only meant the moving from aristocratic blood lines to whoever had more money, and kept the general people without say either way).

[The Princes of the Universe]

Ask those still around of the ~110,000 people locked up in 1942 who had done nothing wrong just how far rights got them.

Okay? Care why? Anything? Bueller?

It's absolute proof that you don't have rights. They're a crock. They're not real.

[Pandeeria]

If people want to content themselves with foolish things like kings and divine rights and feudalism, then so be it. It does not make them any more scientific than the actual established scientific method, which has it's roots of concept dating all the way back to the Enlightenment.

The scientific method is quite a bit older than the enlightenment.

Maybe the very early precursors to something considered the scientific method was developed amongst the burghers and scientists of the Age of Exploration, but without the Enlightenment, the scientific method would be looking very different today.

[Diopolis]

The scientific method is quite a bit older than the enlightenment.

Maybe the very early precursors to something considered the scientific method was developed amongst the burghers and scientists of the Age of Exploration, but without the Enlightenment, the scientific method would be looking very different today.

It probably wouldn't have been extended to things it has no business studying, but it likely wouldn't have been that different.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

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[Germanic Templars]

Okay? Care why? Anything? Bueller?

It's absolute proof that you don't have rights. They're a crock. They're not real.

Well if that is true then what is stopping me from making you a slave?

Truth is this: There are rights, now those ~110,000 got locked up because there are those that do not value rights of others, and there are those that do not value the lives of others.

To tell you a secret about life - there such things as bad people. There those that only care about themselves.

[The Princes of the Universe]

It's absolute proof that you don't have rights. They're a crock. They're not real.

Well if that is true then what is stopping me from making you a slave?

The brute force of the state. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Germanic Templars]

Well if that is true then what is stopping me from making you a slave?

The brute force of the state. Nothing more. Nothing less.

incognito to the ever-seeing eye to the state, what's stopping me then?

Also you seemed to have ignored the rest of my argument there.

[The Princes of the Universe]

The brute force of the state. Nothing more. Nothing less.

incognito to the ever-seeing eye to the state, what's stopping me then?

Given that there are people in bondage even today, absolutely nothing - provided you find and overcome me.

Also you seemed to have ignored the rest of my argument there.

Because it assumed things that aren't true and thus wasn't worth my time.

[Diopolis]

The brute force of the state. Nothing more. Nothing less.

incognito to the ever-seeing eye to the state, what's stopping me then?

Also you seemed to have ignored the rest of my argument there.

If there is no panopticon, then his only hope for avoiding slavery is to find another form of protection. Historically, clan/tribal protection has been the default option; I rather suspect that in the modern world this would be replaced by gangs only in it for the money.
Assuming none of that, then he could be enslaved assuming you managed to exert power over him.

[Dushan]

Well if that is true then what is stopping me from making you a slave?

Given that there are people in bondage even today, absolutely nothing - provided you find and overcome me.

I sense a BDSM Discussion is developing here.

[Sanctissima]

-hushed plotting in background-

Stabby, stabby Ides of Marchy.

This is the thanks I get?

-sigh-

Histeria was a good series, shame it didn't last very long.

[The Princes of the Universe]

I sense a BDSM Discussion is developing here.

NO.

[Conserative Morality]

Rights are like morality - they won't protect you from their violation, but that doesn't make them unworthy concepts.

[Germanic Templars]

incognito to the ever-seeing eye to the state, what's stopping me then?

1. Given that there are people in bondage even today, absolutely nothing - provided you find and overcome me.

Also you seemed to have ignored the rest of my argument there.

2. Because it assumed things that aren't true and thus wasn't worth my time.

1. Compare today to way back when where it was more common and accepted. Human rights everyone. Also modern day world includes those caught trafficking people or modern day slavers, are arrested and prosecuted, sometimes killed.

2. And because you ignored it your first statement was and is, moot and useless. Also tell me how it is true because from what I am getting at you are the only one assuming here.

I simply stated the fact that there are bad people out there that do not respect others. Or are all people treat others with respect and fairness?

[Even Less of Mackonia]

Rights are like morality - they won't protect you from their violation, but that doesn't make them unworthy concepts.

A false concept is a false concept.

1. Given that there are people in bondage even today, absolutely nothing - provided you find and overcome me.


2. Because it assumed things that aren't true and thus wasn't worth my time.

1. Compare today to way back when where it was more common and accepted. Human rights everyone.

2. And because you ignored it your first statement was and is, moot and useless. Also tell me how it is true because from what I am getting at you are the only one assuming here.

I simply stated the fact that there are bad people out there that do not respect others. Or are all people treat others with respect and fairness?

Nobody is saying anything remotely along the lines of 'all people treat others with respect and fairness'. You're entirely misconstruing the point.

[Pandeeria]

Rights are like morality - they won't protect you from their violation, but that doesn't make them unworthy concepts.

However, it's important to note that while they are worthy concepts, they are ultimately just spooks. Rights do not exist, morality does not exist. Those things are purely human concepts. You have a right to nothing, you must fight for what you rightfully deserve in the present world.

[Conserative Morality]

However, it's important to note that while they are worthy concepts, they are ultimately just spooks. Rights do not exist, morality does not exist. Those things are purely human concepts. You have a right to nothing, you must fight for what you rightfully deserve in the present world.

All ideas are spooks. Including, or perhaps especially, the idea that there's something I rightfully deserve.

[Germanic Templars]

Rights are like morality - they won't protect you from their violation, but that doesn't make them unworthy concepts.

However, it's important to note that while they are worthy concepts, they are ultimately just spooks. Rights do not exist, morality does not exist. Those things are purely human concepts. You have a right to nothing, you must fight for what you rightfully deserve in the present world.

Edgy shit right there, mate.

[Pandeeria]

However, it's important to note that while they are worthy concepts, they are ultimately just spooks. Rights do not exist, morality does not exist. Those things are purely human concepts. You have a right to nothing, you must fight for what you rightfully deserve in the present world.

All ideas are spooks. Including, or perhaps especially, the idea that there's something I rightfully deserve.

Nope. The laws of physics, force of gravity, we describe these things through ideas but they are not spooks. They're objective, tangible, observable things.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

However, it's important to note that while they are worthy concepts, they are ultimately just spooks. Rights do not exist, morality does not exist. Those things are purely human concepts. You have a right to nothing, you must fight for what you rightfully deserve in the present world.

Edgy shit right there, mate.

Does that make it wrong?

[Pandeeria]

However, it's important to note that while they are worthy concepts, they are ultimately just spooks. Rights do not exist, morality does not exist. Those things are purely human concepts. You have a right to nothing, you must fight for what you rightfully deserve in the present world.

Edgy shit right there, mate.

What's edgy about it? Knowing that rights are a purely human conception?

[Germanic Templars]

Nobody is saying anything remotely along the lines of 'all people treat others with respect and fairness'. You're entirely misconstruing the point.

Fair point but at the same time I was, and still am, being sarcastic and flippant. At least with the last sentence.