Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

[The Princes of the Universe]

Fixed that for you.

Optimates for life!
You can take my Republic from my cold, dead hands!

[The Princes of the Universe]

Reactionary sounds too... Knee jerky. Conservative sounds better because conserving moral values and tradition is key element of the right, imo.

What? Conservatives suck, you only conserve what has already been changed, your just classical liberals usually.

Bless this post.

[Germanic Templars]

Reactionary sounds too... Knee jerky. Conservative sounds better because conserving moral values and tradition is key element of the right, imo.

What? Conservatives suck, you only conserve what has already been changed, your just classical liberals usually.

If you mean the political party, no I do not mean that. And what is so wrong with classical liberalism?

[Sanctissima]

Optimates for life!
You can take my Republic from my cold, dead hands!

Eurgh... Roma... Invicta...

-dies in epic Stoic pose-

Joke's on you, Augustus is fun, but Tiberius and Caligula come not long after all the Republicans get butchered.

[The Liberated Territories]

The Enlightenment was the single greatest thing to happen to this earth. Before that we were living in thatch houses, lynching our neighbors for being damn witches.

[Pandeeria]

The Enlightenment was the single greatest thing to happen to this earth. Before that we were living in thatch houses, lynching our neighbors for being damn witches.

Well yeah, the next stage of general development in society is bound to be better than the last.

[The Princes of the Universe]

What? Conservatives suck, you only conserve what has already been changed, your just classical liberals usually.

If you mean the political party, no I do not mean that. And what is so wrong with classical liberalism?

Everything.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

The Enlightenment was one of the stupidest movements in human history founded entirely on the propagation of superstition and ignorance. Anyone who associates it with 'rationalism' or 'science' and thinks it remotely atheistic is not to be trusted.

[Germanic Templars]

If you mean the political party, no I do not mean that. And what is so wrong with classical liberalism?

Everything.

hardly.

[Conserative Morality]

Optimates for life!

You can take my Republic from my cold, dead hands!

Optimates will destroy the Republic! Hail Caesar, lawful dictator perpetuo!

[Pandeeria]

The Enlightenment was one of the stupidest movements in human history founded entirely on the propagation of superstition and ignorance. Anyone who associates it with 'rationalism' or 'science' and thinks it remotely atheistic is not to be trusted.

The Enlightenment drastically sped up scientific progress so you can live the life you have today, rather than being a fucking always-hungry peasant in some fiefdom.

[The Liberated Territories]

The Enlightenment was the single greatest thing to happen to this earth. Before that we were living in thatch houses, lynching our neighbors for being damn witches.

Well yeah, the next stage of general development in society is bound to be better than the last.

Tell that to the people who want to reverse time to an age where tyrants walked the earth and nobody could challenge them.

*stare*

[Dushan]

Blegh, proto-nationalism at best. The Enlightenment is certainly the cradle of true modern nationalism.



Indeed, thats a good thing, it is the reactionary spirit.

Reactionary sounds too... Knee jerky. Conservative sounds better because conserving moral values and tradition is key element of the right, imo.

Reactionary sounds pretty Kek IMO.

[Conserative Morality]

The Enlightenment drastically sped up scientific progress so you can live the life you have today, rather than being a fucking always-hungry peasant in some fiefdom.

Oh come now. Even as a fan of the Enlightenment, pre-enlightenment society wasn't THAT broken. It was pretty broken, but for the most part they managed to feed themselves in most cases.

[Pandeeria]

Well yeah, the next stage of general development in society is bound to be better than the last.

Tell that to the people who want to reverse time to an age where tyrants walked the earth and nobody could challenge them.

*stare*

We're at the age in which Liberalism has infected virtually every inch of land in the political landscape, at least to some effect. The old times of oppressive absolute Monarchs ruling over feudal lands is over. What we have now are liberal bourgeois democracies, authoritarian bourgeois states, and the possibility of new age, post-Enlightenment forms of oppression like Fascism.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Everything.

hardly.

Rights are a crock. The rest falls apart from there.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

The Enlightenment was one of the stupidest movements in human history founded entirely on the propagation of superstition and ignorance. Anyone who associates it with 'rationalism' or 'science' and thinks it remotely atheistic is not to be trusted.

The Enlightenment drastically sped up scientific progress so you can live the life you have today, rather than being a fucking always-hungry peasant in some fiefdom.

because belief in natural rights and equality are essential to 'scientific progress'.

Scientific progress was already happening and had been happening for some time in Europe, it was the science which enabled the bollocks of the Enlightenment, not the other way around.

Indeed you could go reasonably far arguing the Enlightenment was a reactionary backlash to said progress.

[Sanctissima]

Optimates for life!

You can take my Republic from my cold, dead hands!

Optimates will destroy the Republic! Hail Caesar, lawful dictator perpetuo!

-hushed plotting in background-

Stabby, stabby Ides of Marchy.

[Pandeeria]

The Enlightenment drastically sped up scientific progress so you can live the life you have today, rather than being a fucking always-hungry peasant in some fiefdom.

Oh come now. Even as a fan of the Enlightenment, pre-enlightenment society wasn't THAT broken. It was pretty broken, but for the most part they managed to feed themselves in most cases.

I'll admit I was using hyperbole, a common tactic in order to place heavy emphasis on a point. That point being that those that want to reverse the Enlightenment are both ignorant of what it has done for them, and ignorant that it's already too late. Liberalism is simply established, all we can do is move on from it, we can't back peddle to absolute monarchies again.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Optimates will destroy the Republic! Hail Caesar, lawful dictator perpetuo!

-hushed plotting in background-
Stabby, stabby Ides of Marchy.

Bring back based Theodosius I.

[Conserative Morality]

-hushed plotting in background-

Stabby, stabby Ides of Marchy.

This is the thanks I get?

[Pandeeria]

The Enlightenment drastically sped up scientific progress so you can live the life you have today, rather than being a fucking always-hungry peasant in some fiefdom.

because belief in natural rights and equality are essential to 'scientific progress'.

Scientific progress was already happening and had been happening for some time in Europe, it was the science which enabled the bollocks of the Enlightenment, not the other way around.

If people want to content themselves with foolish things like kings and divine rights and feudalism, then so be it. It does not make them any more scientific than the actual established scientific method, which has it's roots of concept dating all the way back to the Enlightenment.

[Germanic Templars]

hardly.

Rights are a crock. The rest falls apart from there.

That's your opinion, mate.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

because belief in natural rights and equality are essential to 'scientific progress'.

Scientific progress was already happening and had been happening for some time in Europe, it was the science which enabled the bollocks of the Enlightenment, not the other way around.

If people want to content themselves with foolish things like kings and divine rights and feudalism, then so be it. It does not make them any more scientific than the actual established scientific method, which has it's roots of concept dating all the way back to the Enlightenment.

The scientific method was pioneered by Francis Bacon based on Machiavelli's political philosophy.

In other words, the antithesis of everything "The Enlightenment" stood for.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Rights are a crock. The rest falls apart from there.

That's your opinion, mate.

Ask those still around of the ~110,000 people locked up in 1942 who had done nothing wrong just how far rights got them.