Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

[Nusaresa]

Does anyone else suspect that a lot of drama went on between Trump and the other shady rich people before he decided to run?

What if he consulted George Soros

[Jochizyd Republic]

Defeat? Clinton or Trump would have been defeat.

And I just said Trump wasn't a globalist. lol. He's definitely an establishment Republican though. 100%. Funny how someone not part of the establishment got support from so many people in the establishment, huh?

The establishment and globalists go hand in hand and they supported CLINTON mkre than TRUMP who caled those lying rabits out.

Arguable. Trump would have been bad for business for certain companies.

He is still working very much in a globalist framework in supporting Zionism and neoliberal policies with other Nations. Not in the same way as Clinton. But still. He's really just like every other Republican. McCain but ruder.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Does anyone else suspect that a lot of drama went on between Trump and the other shady rich people before he decided to run?

What if he consulted George Soros

Probably :^)

[Southwest Mankuta]

The establishment and globalists go hand in hand and they supported CLINTON mkre than TRUMP who caled those lying rabits out.

Arguable. Trump would have been bad for business for certain companies.

He is still working very much in a globalist framework in supporting Zionism and neoliberal policies with other Nations. Not in the same way as Clinton. But still. He's really just like every other Republican. McCain but ruder.

Not really. Trump's idea of the ideal America differs from most Republicans. He actually CARES about his people.

[New confederate ramenia]

>Trump is establishment
So that's why the stock market plummeted when he was elected, why all the experts in the media didn't want to report his victory, and why his own party hated him? He's establishment when you look at the grand scheme of everything and all ideologies, but everything is relative :^) There aren't any absolutes, and to say there are is absolutely wrong. Trump's anti-establishment compared to others.

Also,
>implying ""Trump"" is the human known as Donald Trump anymore

Trump will be the 'establishment' as he will be bogged down by congress and fail to meet up expectations and promises. Not to mention the GOP have to work harder in order to retain Trump's voter base and enact policies that would inevitably tarnish Trump's reputation.

That is, if he gets cockblocked from fighting ISIS.

Otherwise he would most likely fail to bring back industry and jobs, fail to build the wall (only add extra portions to the existing gates), and fail to meet eye to eye with GOP members that while are anti-immigrant are backed by companies that use such illegal immigrants for cheap labor in the agricultural industries. This would hurt the relationship between rural states and the rust belt, who have been spurred more by desperation and better economic opportunities than social conservatism. The south would probably hold anyways.

This is also not mentioning potential natural disasters and unforseen hazards, which can easily tarnish his reputation in one fell swoop if he acts too slowly.

Trump may seem anti-establishment now, but in office he may end up kowtowing to lobbies and special interests. Obstructionism is another factor as well.

ohhhhh, I thought you meant something totally different

Does anyone else suspect that a lot of drama went on between Trump and the other shady rich people before he decided to run?

What if he consulted George Soros

What I was thinking was some kind of fight or business deal gone bad between him and someone like George Soros.

[Nusaresa]

What if he consulted George Soros

Probably :^)

What a terrible suggestion. I need to cleanse myself.

Trump will be the 'establishment' as he will be bogged down by congress and fail to meet up expectations and promises. Not to mention the GOP have to work harder in order to retain Trump's voter base and enact policies that would inevitably tarnish Trump's reputation.

That is, if he gets cockblocked from fighting ISIS.

Otherwise he would most likely fail to bring back industry and jobs, fail to build the wall (only add extra portions to the existing gates), and fail to meet eye to eye with GOP members that while are anti-immigrant are backed by companies that use such illegal immigrants for cheap labor in the agricultural industries. This would hurt the relationship between rural states and the rust belt, who have been spurred more by desperation and better economic opportunities than social conservatism. The south would probably hold anyways.

This is also not mentioning potential natural disasters and unforseen hazards, which can easily tarnish his reputation in one fell swoop if he acts too slowly.

Trump may seem anti-establishment now, but in office he may end up kowtowing to lobbies and special interests. Obstructionism is another factor as well.

ohhhhh, I thought you meant something totally different

What if he consulted George Soros

What I was thinking was some kind of fight or business deal gone bad between him and someone like George Soros.

Well in the end this is a prediction. Although I'd say it's the most likely outcome. The altright is only a small portion of Trump's support base. The real supporters are disenfranchised folk from rural America and places industry used to be.

And I'd be suspicious of that as well.

He was a New York Liberal before.

[New confederate ramenia]

When Trump basically pulled you to the far right and now you view Trump as too moderate.

[Nusaresa]

When Trump basically pulled you to the far right and now you view Trump as too moderate.

I think I tripped and fell into some weird limbo ever since the election ended tbh

I've dismissed these assumptions but ever since his victory speech I just went "weee wooo weee wooo weee wooo, this is gunna be dramatic~~~~"

[Dushan]

Trump is part of the Establishment in the broadest sense, however his own Faction of supporters is a fringe one that had been shunned and rather isolated. He is definetively alien to the current Washington establishment. The establishment is not a solid, monolithic unified Group but split and deeply divided as much as the Nation as a whole. Trump now brings in another Faction in Power, and perhaps more.

I have some very reasonable expectations of a Trump Presidency and he hasn't disappointed me so far. Expect him to Act as prime Showmaster of his own Presidential Trump Show, with Washington as his stage and heavy Populism. Aside from that possibly some classic Republican Politics akin to Reagan and maybe Rockefeller Republicans, with strong Protectionist and Nativist elements. All not unseen in US politics before. Maybe also a few traces of Fascism ones. And lot of Dog-Whistles.

But who knows, maybe he turns out to be the Emperor and turns the US into the American Empire and goes full for it.

In either case, thats now how Politics works.

Deal with it.

And if you keep Trash talking the Emperor before he has done anything then you're guilty of defeatism, regardless whether you are right or not. ^^

You will have by all chances enough reasonable reasons to complain as I and everyone else will.

Does anyone else suspect that a lot of drama went on between Trump and the other shady rich people before he decided to run?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/po ... paign.html

[Jochizyd Republic]

Arguable. Trump would have been bad for business for certain companies.

He is still working very much in a globalist framework in supporting Zionism and neoliberal policies with other Nations. Not in the same way as Clinton. But still. He's really just like every other Republican. McCain but ruder.

Not really. Trump's idea of the ideal America differs from most Republicans. He actually CARES about his people.

HA!

Nah. I mean, I get voting for him because you thought he was the lesser of two evils. Completely understand. But thinking he's the real deal is just...pathetic.

He cares about his people like how Erdogan cares about his. I'm going to just stick with that comparison. Because that's just the way it's going to go.

[New confederate ramenia]

When Trump basically pulled you to the far right and now you view Trump as too moderate.

I think I tripped and fell into some weird limbo ever since the election ended tbh

I've dismissed these assumptions but ever since his victory speech I just went "weee wooo weee wooo weee wooo, this is gunna be dramatic~~~~"

kinda same
>tfw depression became unironic around 3 weeks ago
>tfw osu is the only thing I have to live for bc Trump won and I think I'm losing my faith

The Trump campaign doesn't feel as magical as it did earlier on (that started before the election). A few weeks ago I began worrying that center-right, socially liberal, secular neoliberal capitalist democracy was the best. Starting the day of the election everything's felt very surreal. I feel like I'm in a vaporwave.

[New confederate ramenia]

Trump is part of the Establishment in the broadest sense, however his own Faction of supporters is a fringe one that had been shunned and rather isolated. He is definetively alien to the current Washington establishment. The establishment is not a solid, monolithic unified Group but split and deeply divided as much as the Nation as a whole. Trump now brings in another Faction in Power, and perhaps more.

I have some very reasonable expectations of a Trump Presidency and he hasn't disappointed me so far. Expect him to Act as prime Showmaster of his own Presidential Trump Show, with Washington as his stage and heavy Populism. Aside from that possibly some classic Republican Politics akin to Reagan and maybe Rockefeller Republicans, with strong Protectionist and Nativist elements. All not unseen in US politics before. Maybe also a few traces of Fascism ones. And lot of Dog-Whistles.

But who knows, maybe he turns out to be the Emperor and turns the US into the American Empire and goes full for it.

In either case, thats now how Politics works.

Deal with it.

And if you keep Trash talking the Emperor before he has done anything then you're guilty of defeatism, regardless whether you are right or not. ^^

You will have by all chances enough reasonable reasons to complain as I and everyone else will.

Does anyone else suspect that a lot of drama went on between Trump and the other shady rich people before he decided to run?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/po ... paign.html

Same with the first part, like totally agree. Also with second I knew about that, I suspect something else too.

[Southwest Mankuta]

Not really. Trump's idea of the ideal America differs from most Republicans. He actually CARES about his people.

HA!

Nah. I mean, I get voting for him because you thought he was the lesser of two evils. Completely understand. But thinking he's the real deal is just...pathetic.

He cares about his people like how Erdogan cares about his. I'm going to just stick with that comparison. Because that's just the way it's going to go.

You'd be eating your words after a few days probably, when you see the results of bringing America out of degeneracy.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Trump is part of the Establishment in the broadest sense, however his own Faction of supporters is a fringe one that had been shunned and rather isolated. He is definetively alien to the current Washington establishment. The establishment is not a solid, monolithic unified Group but split and deeply divided as much as the Nation as a whole. Trump now brings in another Faction in Power, and perhaps more.

I have some very reasonable expectations of a Trump Presidency and he hasn't disappointed me so far. Expect him to Act as prime Showmaster of his own Presidential Trump Show, with Washington as his stage and heavy Populism. Aside from that possibly some classic Republican Politics akin to Reagan and maybe Rockefeller Republicans, with strong Protectionist and Nativist elements. All not unseen in US politics before. Maybe also a few traces of Fascism ones. And lot of Dog-Whistles.

But who knows, maybe he turns out to be the Emperor and turns the US into the American Empire and goes full for it.

In either case, thats now how Politics works.

Deal with it.

And if you keep Trash talking the Emperor before he has done anything then you're guilty of defeatism, regardless whether you are right or not. ^^

You will have by all chances enough reasonable reasons to complain as I and everyone else will.

It's not that I don't accept it happened. It's that it's bad that it did. Granted it may have been just as bad under Clinton. But yeah.

And I would not say his establishment faction was shunned as it took up large amounts of Congress and blocked much of what Obama did and was a massive part of social issue discussions in mainstream media.

Fascism and legitimate ultranationalism won't come to play in government to any extent. As much as people on both sides wish it would. Reaganite politics, yes.

[Jochizyd Republic]

HA!

Nah. I mean, I get voting for him because you thought he was the lesser of two evils. Completely understand. But thinking he's the real deal is just...pathetic.

He cares about his people like how Erdogan cares about his. I'm going to just stick with that comparison. Because that's just the way it's going to go.

You'd be eating your words after a few days probably, when you see the results of bringing America out of degeneracy.

Ah yes. An adulterer taking America out of degeneracy. mm-hmm. Makes sense.

Look at them policies though.https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landin ... actv02.pdf
Seeming awfully Raeganite. Pretty moderate Border policy too. Nothing here about regulating lifestyle to control public degeneracy of any kind. hmm.

Think you're just a little cranky that you had to vote for the "cuckservative" because he talked crass. Like an Adam Sandler Fan laughing at Diarrhea jokes in Grown Ups 5. lol.

Good for you.

[Nusaresa]

Trump is part of the Establishment in the broadest sense, however his own Faction of supporters is a fringe one that had been shunned and rather isolated. He is definetively alien to the current Washington establishment. The establishment is not a solid, monolithic unified Group but split and deeply divided as much as the Nation as a whole. Trump now brings in another Faction in Power, and perhaps more.

I have some very reasonable expectations of a Trump Presidency and he hasn't disappointed me so far. Expect him to Act as prime Showmaster of his own Presidential Trump Show, with Washington as his stage and heavy Populism. Aside from that possibly some classic Republican Politics akin to Reagan and maybe Rockefeller Republicans, with strong Protectionist and Nativist elements. All not unseen in US politics before. Maybe also a few traces of Fascism ones. And lot of Dog-Whistles.

But who knows, maybe he turns out to be the Emperor and turns the US into the American Empire and goes full for it.

In either case, thats now how Politics works.

Deal with it.

And if you keep Trash talking the Emperor before he has done anything then you're guilty of defeatism, regardless whether you are right or not. ^^

You will have by all chances enough reasonable reasons to complain as I and everyone else will.

We'll just see what he can and can't do. He already has shown signs of toning his rhetoric. The small following of diehards, the so called altright would only bog him down in overall policy making. It's either he sheds them off slowly or the party comes in and alienates them altogether.

This does set a precedent for a possibly stronger and more wider acceptance of the altright on its own, but to call Trump the representative and leader of such a movement is inherently false. His rise to power was due to the disenfranchised average voter. Those that have been failed by the Dems and GOP establishments through neglect, shit policy, demonization and alienation, or some combination of the above. We are talking about desperate rural farmers and unemployed blue collar workers from a gutted economy. These are the people that Trump ultimately resonates with. In a way, he is the underdog, their own 'champion' if you will, through populism and bold promises to restore the economic prosperity for them. They have nothing to do with the hate, the racbait, the anti-Muslim sentiment. Rather they were from the era of mass outsourcing and undercutting by large corporations that exploit illegal immigrants. These very same companies who back some key figures of the establishment.

His protectionist policies are undermined with his tax policies, and his blatant disregard of social services for other American minorities who are reliant on such services. His trickle down economics is merely neoliberalism, but coated in a protectionist and nativist skin. It's the perfect selling point until the people know that they do not reap the benefits and continue to be squandered by the capitalist system. The capitalistt, materialist system that only gives the rewards to the bourgeoisie and Wall Street bankster investors.

How politics works now is merely a perception of one's hopes and dreams.

Hope died when the first jobs got shipped out of the country through union failures and the gutting of the statist economy in favor of neoliberalism.

Trump is the greatest gift, as he shown us what the true crisis of America is for better or worse. What I foresee is that he won't be able to deliver on his promises to the rural farmers and blue collar workers. He made big talk, but the odds seem against him due to the internal fractures within the establishment itself.

Of course, I could be wrong. But if one thing is for certain, rural America needs some form of help. The disadvantage American needs help. Something sustainable so that prosperity can be attained and maintained for decades to come.

Social issues be damned, identity politics be damned, talks of greatness be damned.

[Dushan]

The Trump campaign doesn't feel as magical as it did earlier on (that started before the election). A few weeks ago I began worrying that center-right, socially liberal, secular neoliberal capitalist democracy was the best. Starting the day of the election everything's felt very surreal. I feel like I'm in a vaporwave.

>Feeling like in Vaporwave
>Feeling surreal

That's called the Trumpwave Fam. Welcome back to the 80s. I really enjoy it.

Here we go...

[Jochizyd Republic]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... nasty.html

“Let me just tell you that Israel is a very, very important ally of the United States. And we are going to protect them 100 percent — 100 percent. They’ve been our most reliable, they’re our true friend over there and we’re going to protect Israel 100 percent.”

'till next time.

[Nusaresa]

I think I tripped and fell into some weird limbo ever since the election ended tbh

I've dismissed these assumptions but ever since his victory speech I just went "weee wooo weee wooo weee wooo, this is gunna be dramatic~~~~"

kinda same
>tfw depression became unironic around 3 weeks ago
>tfw osu is the only thing I have to live for bc Trump won and I think I'm losing my faith

The Trump campaign doesn't feel as magical as it did earlier on (that started before the election). A few weeks ago I began worrying that center-right, socially liberal, secular neoliberal capitalist democracy was the best. Starting the day of the election everything's felt very surreal. I feel like I'm in a vaporwave.

Neoliberal capitalist democracy is unsustainable. That is all.

It's not that I don't accept it happened. It's that it's bad that it did. Granted it may have been just as bad under Clinton. But yeah.

And I would not say his establishment faction was shunned as it took up large amounts of Congress and blocked much of what Obama did and was a massive part of social issue discussions in mainstream media.

Fascism and legitimate ultranationalism won't come to play in government to any extent. As much as people on both sides wish it would. Reaganite politics, yes.

Under Clinton there would not be any realization to the plight of the Midwest and Rust Belt.

Instead it would fester and polarize to a much more uncanny and terrifying form.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/30/trump_to_zionist_israel_question_we_are_going_to_protect_israel_100_that_was_nasty.html

“Let me just tell you that Israel is a very, very important ally of the United States. And we are going to protect them 100 percent — 100 percent. They’ve been our most reliable, they’re our true friend over there and we’re going to protect Israel 100 percent.”

'till next time.

Not happy Jochi?

[New confederate ramenia]

What even are reaganite politics

The Trump campaign doesn't feel as magical as it did earlier on (that started before the election). A few weeks ago I began worrying that center-right, socially liberal, secular neoliberal capitalist democracy was the best. Starting the day of the election everything's felt very surreal. I feel like I'm in a vaporwave.

>Feeling like in Vaporwave
>Feeling surreal

That's called the Trumpwave Fam. Welcome back to the 80s. I really enjoy it.

Here we go...

woooaaahh. tbh i fucking love classic Trump and Clintons shit, its so amazing

[New confederate ramenia]

kinda same
>tfw depression became unironic around 3 weeks ago
>tfw osu is the only thing I have to live for bc Trump won and I think I'm losing my faith

The Trump campaign doesn't feel as magical as it did earlier on (that started before the election). A few weeks ago I began worrying that center-right, socially liberal, secular neoliberal capitalist democracy was the best. Starting the day of the election everything's felt very surreal. I feel like I'm in a vaporwave.

Neoliberal capitalist democracy is unsustainable. That is all.

Ok.

[Nusaresa]

What even are reaganite politics

center-right, socially liberal, secular neoliberal capitalist democracy.

[New confederate ramenia]

What even are reaganite politics

center-right, socially liberal, secular neoliberal capitalist democracy.

Eww, normal moderate politics.

[Nusaresa]

Eww, normal moderate politics.

Yeah. Sometimes accented with militarism, neoconservatism, and some religious conservatism here and there.