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Favourite constitutional/government models?

Ancient Sparta
24
5%
Roman Republic
59
11%
Imperial China/Joseon Korea
14
3%
Byzantine
28
5%
Holy Roman Empire
37
7%
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
15
3%
Republic of Venice
15
3%
United Kingdom/Great Britain
89
17%
Prussia/German Empire
81
15%
United States
166
31%
 
Total votes : 528

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:56 am

If I hear another New Leftist absolutely flat out fucking refuse to accept that much of Trump's voterbase was non white, Muslim, Gay etc. I fucking swear.

The arrogance is just infuriating.

This political correct "woit peoppol. Amiroit? It's 20 fucking 16. Muh Hate Speech. BLM is fighting racism" is why he won. The Left is largely responsible for this.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:58 am

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Jochizyd Republic wrote:Materialist Capitalist Liberals of various stripes telling me that I'm the liberal for not liking Trump as much as Clinton.

lol


Wtf.

Populists are funny.
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Postby Dushan » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:03 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:If I hear another New Leftist absolutely flat out fucking refuse to accept that much of Trump's voterbase was non white, Muslim, Gay etc. I fucking swear.

The arrogance is just infuriating.

This political correctness is why he won. The Left is largely responsible for this.


Good call there Joch.

I agree with this Analysis. I saw many Asians, Blacks, Latinos and people from various ethnicities at Trump Rallys.

Also it was the New Left and the Democrats who did betray the common American Blue Collar Worker, and abandoned him, supporting Social Justice Warriors and other political fringe Groups.

Now it's payback Time.

Oh and of course the liberal Media, now no longer hiding its true affiliation is pandering a lot to the Anti-Trump protest as for them Trump symbolizes the rise of Autocracy, Populism, Fascism... (all the same in their Book, of course)
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:08 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:Materialist Capitalist Liberals of various stripes telling me that I'm the liberal for not liking Trump as much as Clinton.

lol

When you're so extreme that all people with ideas from after 1700 are the same to you
Jochizyd Republic wrote:If I hear another New Leftist absolutely flat out fucking refuse to accept that much of Trump's voterbase was non white, Muslim, Gay etc. I fucking swear.

The arrogance is just infuriating.

This political correct "woit peoppol. Amiroit? It's 20 fucking 16. Muh Hate Speech. BLM is fighting racism" is why he won. The Left is largely responsible for this.

Thanks, New Leftists :^)
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Postby Dushan » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:12 am

I have read that Arkansas voted for both Trump and the legalization of Weed at the same time, causing confusion among Clinton Supporters and other Leftists. It is not so confusing however from a libertarian viewpoint and neither a traditionalist one.

The outlawing of Marijuana and Psychedelics is a modernist ploy to prevent People from gaining access to higher States of consciousness and divine revelation aimed to stabilize and enforce Materialism and Rationalism.

Every true Traditionalist and Reactionary must henceforth support Weed legalization, and reject the false Myths created by leftists and their puritan opposers alike.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:14 am

Dushan wrote:I have read that Arkansas voted for both Trump and the legalization of Weed at the same time, causing confusion among Clinton Supporters and other Leftists. It is not so confusing however from a libertarian viewpoint and neither a traditionalist one.

The outlawing of Marijuana and Psychedelics is a modernist ploy to prevent People from gaining access to higher States of consciousness and divine revelation aimed to stabilize and enforce Materialism and Rationalism.

Every true Traditionalist and Reactionary must henceforth support Weed legalization, and reject the false Myths created by leftists and their puritan opposers alike.

Hey, pass some of that over here.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:17 am

Dushan wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:If I hear another New Leftist absolutely flat out fucking refuse to accept that much of Trump's voterbase was non white, Muslim, Gay etc. I fucking swear.

The arrogance is just infuriating.

This political correctness is why he won. The Left is largely responsible for this.


Good call there Joch.

I agree with this Analysis. I saw many Asians, Blacks, Latinos and people from various ethnicities at Trump Rallys.

Also it was the New Left and the Democrats who did betray the common American Blue Collar Worker, and abandoned him, supporting Social Justice Warriors and other political fringe Groups.

Now it's payback Time.

Oh and of course the liberal Media, now no longer hiding its true affiliation is pandering a lot to the Anti-Trump protest as for them Trump symbolizes the rise of Autocracy, Populism, Fascism... (all the same in their Book, of course)
You think he's actually going to help those people? Minorities who's rights have been highjacked and ruined by leftists? Blue Collar Workers? Disenfranchised by The Democrats. They're only getting disenfranchised by Trump now because the Democrats were so Arrogant.
How disillusioned does one have to be to want to fight the wealthy elite by electing one of the wealthiest (by inheritance, no less) of them and 3 branches full of a Party whose stance has always been "defend trickle down economics at all costs. Fuck the poor." If one's vote for him was sincerely meant for the Average American and not just out of desperation and disillusionment, I hope they start adding a few zeroes to that idea of Average.

Either choice would have been awful. This was not winnable. Defending him out of legitimate devotion is just as futile as rioting at him because Hillary didn't win.
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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:17 am

Galloism wrote:
Dushan wrote:I have read that Arkansas voted for both Trump and the legalization of Weed at the same time, causing confusion among Clinton Supporters and other Leftists. It is not so confusing however from a libertarian viewpoint and neither a traditionalist one.

The outlawing of Marijuana and Psychedelics is a modernist ploy to prevent People from gaining access to higher States of consciousness and divine revelation aimed to stabilize and enforce Materialism and Rationalism.

Every true Traditionalist and Reactionary must henceforth support Weed legalization, and reject the false Myths created by leftists and their puritan opposers alike.

Hey, pass some of that over here.

Throw it Australia's way too.
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Postby Nusaresa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:21 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:If I hear another New Leftist absolutely flat out fucking refuse to accept that much of Trump's voterbase was non white, Muslim, Gay etc. I fucking swear.

The arrogance is just infuriating.

This political correct "woit peoppol. Amiroit? It's 20 fucking 16. Muh Hate Speech. BLM is fighting racism" is why he won. The Left is largely responsible for this.

Eh. I'm just sitting back and relaxing as it all falls apart. Trump is an establishment GOP prez. There is no doubt about this. He is simply going to continue the neoliberal disenfranchisement of the lower classes, be them white or minority. He will be a disappointment who won't make good on his promises.

He ain't a fascist. He ain't even an ultranationalist. He's just another establishment figure who used a campaign, a smear campaign mind you, to shed light on the desperation of the the American Midwest and the deterioration of the rural community.

At this point, the assumptions he is either a Dem plant or NY Liberal could very be well true, as it clearly showed what the Dems need to do in order to win the midterms and next elections.

The altright was played like a fiddle. Along with many, many others.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:22 am

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Materialist Capitalist Liberals of various stripes telling me that I'm the liberal for not liking Trump as much as Clinton.

lol

When you're so extreme that all people with ideas from after 1700 are the same to you

It's not that they're the same to me. It's that I don't like either of them for very different reasons.

It's better to be called an extremist than to be called a liberal. Way better.

I would honestly rather that than be compared to people who have been keeping me and my friends cautious and indoors all day.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:24 am

Nusaresa wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:If I hear another New Leftist absolutely flat out fucking refuse to accept that much of Trump's voterbase was non white, Muslim, Gay etc. I fucking swear.

The arrogance is just infuriating.

This political correct "woit peoppol. Amiroit? It's 20 fucking 16. Muh Hate Speech. BLM is fighting racism" is why he won. The Left is largely responsible for this.

Eh. I'm just sitting back and relaxing as it all falls apart. Trump is an establishment GOP prez. There is no doubt about this. He is simply going to continue the neoliberal disenfranchisement of the lower classes, be them white or minority. He will be a disappointment who won't make good on his promises.

He ain't a fascist. He ain't even an ultranationalist. He's just another establishment figure who used a campaign, a smear campaign mind you, to shed light on the desperation of the the American Midwest and the deterioration of the rural community.

At this point, the assumptions he is either a Dem plant or NY Liberal could very be well true, as it clearly showed what the Dems need to do in order to win the midterms and next elections.

The altright was played like a fiddle. Along with many, many others.

Basically, yeah.
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Postby Victoriala II » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:25 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:When you're so extreme that all people with ideas from after 1700 are the same to you

It's not that they're the same to me. It's that I don't like either of them for very different reasons.

It's better to be called an extremist than to be called a liberal. Way better.

I would honestly rather that than be compared to people who have been keeping me and my friends cautious and indoors all day.

That sounds like what a liberal would say

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:26 am

Dushan wrote:I have read that Arkansas voted for both Trump and the legalization of Weed at the same time, causing confusion among Clinton Supporters and other Leftists. It is not so confusing however from a libertarian viewpoint and neither a traditionalist one.

The outlawing of Marijuana and Psychedelics is a modernist ploy to prevent People from gaining access to higher States of consciousness and divine revelation aimed to stabilize and enforce Materialism and Rationalism.

Every true Traditionalist and Reactionary must henceforth support Weed legalization, and reject the false Myths created by leftists and their puritan opposers alike.

Weed is for plebs.

Hallucinogenics, I would be willing to give a chance for legalization and use in non recreational purposes honestly. I've read interesting stuff about that.
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Postby Nusaresa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:26 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Dushan wrote:
Good call there Joch.

I agree with this Analysis. I saw many Asians, Blacks, Latinos and people from various ethnicities at Trump Rallys.

Also it was the New Left and the Democrats who did betray the common American Blue Collar Worker, and abandoned him, supporting Social Justice Warriors and other political fringe Groups.

Now it's payback Time.

Oh and of course the liberal Media, now no longer hiding its true affiliation is pandering a lot to the Anti-Trump protest as for them Trump symbolizes the rise of Autocracy, Populism, Fascism... (all the same in their Book, of course)
You think he's actually going to help those people? Minorities who's rights have been highjacked and ruined by leftists? Blue Collar Workers? Disenfranchised by The Democrats. They're only getting disenfranchised by Trump now because the Democrats were so Arrogant.
How disillusioned does one have to be to want to fight the wealthy elite by electing one of the wealthiest (by inheritance, no less) of them and 3 branches full of a Party whose stance has always been "defend trickle down economics at all costs. Fuck the poor." If one's vote for him was sincerely meant for the Average American and not just out of desperation and disillusionment, I hope they start adding a few zeroes to that idea of Average.

Either choice would have been awful. This was not winnable. Defending him out of legitimate devotion is just as futile as rioting at him because Hillary didn't win.

Desperate people just want to believe that they can "win America back" from everything that was dealt and done by their very own countrymen and women.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:26 am

Dushan wrote:I have read that Arkansas voted for both Trump and the legalization of Weed at the same time, causing confusion among Clinton Supporters and other Leftists. It is not so confusing however from a libertarian viewpoint and neither a traditionalist one.

The outlawing of Marijuana and Psychedelics is a modernist ploy to prevent People from gaining access to higher States of consciousness and divine revelation aimed to stabilize and enforce Materialism and Rationalism.

Every true Traditionalist and Reactionary must henceforth support Weed legalization, and reject the false Myths created by leftists and their puritan opposers alike.

This. Legalization also reduces leftist votes.
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New confederate ramenia wrote:When you're so extreme that all people with ideas from after 1700 are the same to you

It's not that they're the same to me. It's that I don't like either of them for very different reasons.

It's better to be called an extremist than to be called a liberal. Way better.

I would honestly rather that than be compared to people who have been keeping me and my friends cautious and indoors all day.

Same tbh, just funny how you're calling everyone liberal.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:27 am

I'm wondering why Goldwater's The Conscience Of A Conservative and Buckley's God And Man At Yale, two works which provided much of the intellectual underpinnings of the Reagan Revolution (and which I personally enjoyed despite my disagreements with much of what was in both books), weren't listed in the poll.

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Postby Nusaresa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:28 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Dushan wrote:I have read that Arkansas voted for both Trump and the legalization of Weed at the same time, causing confusion among Clinton Supporters and other Leftists. It is not so confusing however from a libertarian viewpoint and neither a traditionalist one.

The outlawing of Marijuana and Psychedelics is a modernist ploy to prevent People from gaining access to higher States of consciousness and divine revelation aimed to stabilize and enforce Materialism and Rationalism.

Every true Traditionalist and Reactionary must henceforth support Weed legalization, and reject the false Myths created by leftists and their puritan opposers alike.

Weed is for plebs.

Hallucinogenics, I would be willing to give a chance for legalization and use in non recreational purposes honestly. I've read interesting stuff about that.

I'm down for legalizing such but only to be used under supervision of someone who is trained in handling it tbh
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New confederate ramenia wrote:Same tbh, just funny how you're calling everyone liberal.

Liberals shouldn't call me a liberal if they don't want to be called out. :^)
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:28 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:I'm wondering why Goldwater's The Conscience Of A Conservative and Buckley's God And Man At Yale, two works which provided much of the intellectual underpinnings of the Reagan Revolution (and which I personally enjoyed despite my disagreements with much of what was in both books), weren't listed in the poll.

They aren't edgy fascism or hyper-traditionalism, so they're essentially establishment neoliberal modernist leftist garbage.
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Postby Nusaresa » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:29 am

Dushan wrote:higher States of consciousness and divine revelation

is meditation and prayer not enough
Jochizyd Republic wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:Same tbh, just funny how you're calling everyone liberal.

Liberals shouldn't call me a liberal if they don't want to be called out. :^)

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New confederate ramenia wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:I'm wondering why Goldwater's The Conscience Of A Conservative and Buckley's God And Man At Yale, two works which provided much of the intellectual underpinnings of the Reagan Revolution (and which I personally enjoyed despite my disagreements with much of what was in both books), weren't listed in the poll.

They aren't edgy fascism or hyper-traditionalism, so they're essentially establishment neoliberal modernist leftist garbage.

Wouldn't call Burke hyper traditionalist.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:30 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:Same tbh, just funny how you're calling everyone liberal.

Liberals shouldn't call me a liberal if they don't want to be called out. :^)

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Postby Dushan » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:30 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:You think he's actually going to help those people?


Supposing a Trump Administration wanted to do so, and by that I mean supporting the declining Industries of the Midwest, it would be a economical Question for which I honestly lack sufficient knowledge to answer in more detail. It would defintively require a lot of State interventionism on a domestic and outside level, for example Tariffs and the likes to help those Industries.

I have however a comparable situation from Germany, with the so-called Ruhrgebiet who was based on Coal Mining and died out already in the 80s. It went never back to it's glory Days and it's despite various efforts and tons of wasted State Money a declining rather poor Region.

So we are being confronted with practical political and economical questions.

For me the question would be rather can Trump or any other Administration actually help those People?

Jochizyd Republic wrote:Minorities who's rights have been highjacked and ruined by leftists? Blue Collar Workers? Disenfranchised by The Democrats. They're only getting disenfranchised by Trump now because the Democrats were so Arrogant.

How disillusioned does one have to be to want to fight the wealthy elite by electing one of the wealthiest (by inheritance, no less) of them and 3 branches full of a Party whose stance has always been "defend trickle down economics at all costs. Fuck the poor." If one's vote for him was sincerely meant for the Average American and not just out of desperation and disillusionment, I hope they start adding a few zeroes to that idea of Average.

Either choice would have been awful. This was not winnable. Defending him out of legitimate devotion is just as futile as rioting at him because Hillary didn't win.


I do wholeheartly recommand you this Article that had been written prior to Election, regardless of who the Author is and if you otherwise agree/disagree with him: Link

This explains Trumps Victory.
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New confederate ramenia wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Liberals shouldn't call me a liberal if they don't want to be called out. :^)

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Yeah, well she's a liberal.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:31 am

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:I'm wondering why Goldwater's The Conscience Of A Conservative and Buckley's God And Man At Yale, two works which provided much of the intellectual underpinnings of the Reagan Revolution (and which I personally enjoyed despite my disagreements with much of what was in both books), weren't listed in the poll.

They aren't edgy fascism or hyper-traditionalism, so they're essentially establishment neoliberal modernist leftist garbage.


Ah, got it. Thanks.

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