Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

[Nusaresa]

SCHISM TO THE SUBATOMIC LEVEL

And even then papal infallibility as a dogma would, short of surrender, yield the sides unable to unite in full.

Meanwhile the rest of us find God in a popeless place.

everyone is jesus in purgatory

[Lekya (Ancient)]

Just got home from the polls

Trump will win.

That's a funny way to spell Ted Cruz

[Jochizyd Republic]

Embrace der Reactionary.

Okay how about this for reactionary...

Step one: Automation of industries
Step two: Get everyone into education, learn what you love, etc
Step three: Rebirth of the love for knowledge, a restoration of the ancient tradition of scholé

That sounds gud.

[United Marxist Nations]

Bumps in the road. We aren't schisming anything like the groups that embraced aspects of modernity.

No? I seem to remember the schisming happening long before your view of modernity came about. Divine revelation seems like a very contentious thing. It seems you can't even agree on which holy books to use.

Timelines of major schisms:

451 AD - Patriarchs of Alexandria, Ethiopia, and Armenia break off to form Oriental Communion - this one is being mended currently.

700's-800's - Patriarch of Rome and the West breaks off over Filioque - mended after about 20 years when Patriarch of Rome rebukes the Filioque

1054 - Patriarch of Rome breaks off over types of bread to use in communion and Papal Authority.

- Somewhere after this, the Latin Church starts using scholasticism to develop theology, which is a modernist idea

- as a result of the developments in scholasticism, the Protestant Reformation begins, causing massive schism that continues to this day.

- 1990's - parts of Ukraine break from Moscow Patriarchate due to nationalism -- which is also modernist

Seems to me that the ones that accepted aspects of modernism suffered more schism than those of us who rejected it.

[WaRtArIa]

And even then papal infallibility as a dogma would, short of surrender, yield the sides unable to unite in full.

Meanwhile the rest of us find God in a popeless place.

everyone is jesus in purgatory

embrace the light of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

[The East Marches]

No? I seem to remember the schisming happening long before your view of modernity came about. Divine revelation seems like a very contentious thing. It seems you can't even agree on which holy books to use.

Timelines of major schisms:

451 AD - Patriarchs of Alexandria, Ethiopia, and Armenia break off to form Oriental Communion - this one is being mended currently.

700's-800's - Patriarch of Rome and the West breaks off over Filioque - mended after about 20 years when Patriarch of Rome rebukes the Filioque

1054 - Patriarch of Rome breaks off over types of bread to use in communion and Papal Authority.

- Somewhere after this, the Latin Church starts using scholasticism to develop theology, which is a modernist idea

- as a result of the developments in scholasticism, the Protestant Reformation begins, causing massive schism that continues to this day.

- 1990's - parts of Ukraine break from Moscow Patriarchate due to nationalism -- which is also modernist

Seems to me that the ones that accepted aspects of modernism suffered more schism than those of us who rejected it.

1917 shows the stronk nature of the Orthodox. At least the Catholics put up a grand fight against the Red Menace.

[Nusaresa]

Okay how about this for reactionary...

Step one: Automation of industries
Step two: Get everyone into education, learn what you love, etc
Step three: Rebirth of the love for knowledge, a restoration of the ancient tradition of scholé

That sounds gud.

#1 Reactionary via gambits

[Nusaresa]

No? I seem to remember the schisming happening long before your view of modernity came about. Divine revelation seems like a very contentious thing. It seems you can't even agree on which holy books to use.

Timelines of major schisms:

451 AD - Patriarchs of Alexandria, Ethiopia, and Armenia break off to form Oriental Communion - this one is being mended currently.

#CurrentChristendomIsNeoNestorianism

[Camaalbakrius]

Wow, 100 post in less than an hour. Im impressed

[The East Marches]

Sore wa Tyrannia-sama desu. Wasurenaide, kōhai.

Go-gomen'nasai~

Can somebody translate this from weeb into English pls?

[Herskerstad]

1054 - Patriarch of Rome breaks off over types of bread to use in communion and Papal Authority.

- Somewhere after this, the Latin Church starts using scholasticism to develop theology, which is a modernist idea

- as a result of the developments in scholasticism, the Protestant Reformation begins, causing massive schism that continues to this day.

Oh for fucks sakes. John Scotus lived two hundred years prior to that and it's not as if the Latin side was dead to his influence then. Nor was his take on essentially Greek philosophers lost on the EO side. Furthermore, the reformation leaders rejected scholasticism outright.

[Herskerstad]

Timelines of major schisms:

451 AD - Patriarchs of Alexandria, Ethiopia, and Armenia break off to form Oriental Communion - this one is being mended currently.

700's-800's - Patriarch of Rome and the West breaks off over Filioque - mended after about 20 years when Patriarch of Rome rebukes the Filioque

1054 - Patriarch of Rome breaks off over types of bread to use in communion and Papal Authority.

- Somewhere after this, the Latin Church starts using scholasticism to develop theology, which is a modernist idea

- as a result of the developments in scholasticism, the Protestant Reformation begins, causing massive schism that continues to this day.

- 1990's - parts of Ukraine break from Moscow Patriarchate due to nationalism -- which is also modernist

Seems to me that the ones that accepted aspects of modernism suffered more schism than those of us who rejected it.

1917 shows the stronk nature of the Orthodox. At least the Catholics put up a grand fight against the Red Menace.

They were a bit busy ensuring anything, but a fight against the fascists at the time.

[Jochizyd Republic]

No? I seem to remember the schisming happening long before your view of modernity came about. Divine revelation seems like a very contentious thing. It seems you can't even agree on which holy books to use.

Timelines of major schisms:

451 AD - Patriarchs of Alexandria, Ethiopia, and Armenia break off to form Oriental Communion - this one is being mended currently.

700's-800's - Patriarch of Rome and the West breaks off over Filioque - mended after about 20 years when Patriarch of Rome rebukes the Filioque

1054 - Patriarch of Rome breaks off over types of bread to use in communion and Papal Authority.

- Somewhere after this, the Latin Church starts using scholasticism to develop theology, which is a modernist idea

- as a result of the developments in scholasticism, the Protestant Reformation begins, causing massive schism that continues to this day.

- 1990's - parts of Ukraine break from Moscow Patriarchate due to nationalism -- which is also modernist

Seems to me that the ones that accepted aspects of modernism suffered more schism than those of us who rejected it.

>Scholasticism
>Modernism

Well, Ah Nevah. Ah do Declare.

[Nusaresa]

Timelines of major schisms:

451 AD - Patriarchs of Alexandria, Ethiopia, and Armenia break off to form Oriental Communion - this one is being mended currently.

700's-800's - Patriarch of Rome and the West breaks off over Filioque - mended after about 20 years when Patriarch of Rome rebukes the Filioque

1054 - Patriarch of Rome breaks off over types of bread to use in communion and Papal Authority.

- Somewhere after this, the Latin Church starts using scholasticism to develop theology, which is a modernist idea

- as a result of the developments in scholasticism, the Protestant Reformation begins, causing massive schism that continues to this day.

- 1990's - parts of Ukraine break from Moscow Patriarchate due to nationalism -- which is also modernist

Seems to me that the ones that accepted aspects of modernism suffered more schism than those of us who rejected it.

>Scholasticism
>Modernism

Well, Ah Nevah. Ah do Declare.

For some reason this stretches modernism to a super thin layer, that it seems meaningless outright tbh. Like at this point one might as well call the Abbasids and later on, Seljuks modernist.

[The East Marches]

1917 shows the stronk nature of the Orthodox. At least the Catholics put up a grand fight against the Red Menace.

They were a bit busy ensuring anything, but a fight against the fascists at the time.

It also comes down to who you would rather face? As much as I may disagree with our Catholic friends, they made the right call politically. The Communists meant oblivion. At very best they'd enslave your church, at worst they would have you killed for your faith. The Fascists may not be the friendliest of folks. If the choice is between them and the Communists, I know who I am fighting.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Fudge! I missed it!

[Herskerstad]

They were a bit busy ensuring anything, but a fight against the fascists at the time.

It also comes down to who you would rather face? As much as I may disagree with our Catholic friends, they made the right call politically. The Communists meant oblivion. At very best they'd enslave your church, at worst they would have you killed for your faith. The Fascists may not be the friendliest of folks. If the choice is between them and the Communists, I know who I am fighting.

As far as political calls it's an unrivalled phenomenon, as the west, likely through FDR's take, decided to make a late ally out of essentially something which had legitimised the major fascist parties and outright proported it in Spain, but furthermore, had fascism survived longer, it probably would have spelled the death of the European RCC at least as a organised unit first, and most of the Evangelical communities partially later. Mussolini did not like a treasure trove sitting unmolested by himself right under his nose nor anything that could be a challenge to political capital, and Hitler outright hated them for his experiences in Bavaria.

[Spaceman Spliff]

Can I play the drinking game with root beer?

[Jochizyd Republic]

Can I play the drinking game with root beer?

Same

[Nusaresa]

Can I play the drinking game with root beer?

Same

y'all gonna get discomfort in the bowels but better than hungover lol

[Spaceman Spliff]

Can I play the drinking game with root beer?

Same

I might not be a mormon or a muslim, but I've seen what happens when you drink too much beer. Besides, video games are addicting enough.

[Spaceman Spliff]

Same

y'all gonna get discomfort in the bowels but better than hungover lol

Indubitably!

[Herskerstad]

Can I play the drinking game with root beer?

Same

You'd still get alcohol poisoning.

[Spaceman Spliff]

Same

You'd still get alcohol poisoning.

*erupts in outrage*
Dammit! I guess I'll have to switch to chocolate milk

[The East Marches]

It also comes down to who you would rather face? As much as I may disagree with our Catholic friends, they made the right call politically. The Communists meant oblivion. At very best they'd enslave your church, at worst they would have you killed for your faith. The Fascists may not be the friendliest of folks. If the choice is between them and the Communists, I know who I am fighting.

As far as political calls it's an unrivalled phenomenon, as the west, likely through FDR's take, decided to make a late ally out of essentially something which had legitimised the major fascist parties and outright proported it in Spain, but furthermore, had fascism survived longer, it probably would have spelled the death of the European RCC at least as a organised unit first, and most of the Evangelical communities partially later. Mussolini did not like a treasure trove sitting unmolested by himself right under his nose nor anything that could be a challenge to political capital, and Hitler outright hated them for his experiences in Bavaria.

On the other-hand though, if you read Uncle Adolfo's writings (see Hitler's table talk), he would not have outrightly sacked the churches nor would he have interfered in their affairs. I've not read anything by or from Mussolini so I can't speak to his intentions on the matter. For Franco's particular situation, that was the best move the Church ever made. Franco was no fascist, he was a conservative who preserved the natural order of things in Spain. He gave the clergy back its special privileges and status in society. If anything, it is the prime example where Catholicism was faced with destruction and came out on top. Infact, Hitler disliked Franco for this conservatism which robbed the Falange of power and combined them (forcibly) with Carlists to be something harmless.