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Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

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Favourite constitutional/government models?

Ancient Sparta
24
5%
Roman Republic
59
11%
Imperial China/Joseon Korea
14
3%
Byzantine
28
5%
Holy Roman Empire
37
7%
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
15
3%
Republic of Venice
15
3%
United Kingdom/Great Britain
89
17%
Prussia/German Empire
81
15%
United States
166
31%
 
Total votes : 528

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Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:06 pm

As you can see, gentlemen, this time I beat you all to the punch.

Welcome fellow rightists (and left-wing visitors) to the sixth incarnation of the Right-Wing Discussion Thread, first founded in December 2015 by Kauthar. That's right, we've been here for almost a year now. Expect many more Warhammer 40K and anime references, pointless replays of the same-old arguments about who is and isn't a right-winger and maybe, just maybe, some genuinely interesting discussion.

To quote the OPs of past iterations, we've had a good run- let's not end it any time soon.

Acceptable topics for discussion:
  • Right-wing politics
  • History in the context of the topic
  • Related issues.

Thread guidelines:
  • Keep discussion on-topic. Remember this is a discussion thread about right-wing politics, not a discussion thread for right-wing people. As long as discussion topics are vaguely related to right-wing politics, it's kosher.
  • Be respectful of other posters in the thread, even if you really, really don't want to. Hell, if I can do it, you can do it.
  • As with any thread in NSG, anyone can post here, right-wing or not. That doesn't mean blatant trolling will be tolerated, of course.
  • It ought to go without saying, but all the usual NationStates forum rules still apply here, as laid out in the One Stop Rules Shop.

Predecessor Threads:

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5

Polls

Poll topics will be rotated roughly every 7-14 days, or however often I'm active enough to change them, and suggestions for new polls are always welcome.

As in the previous iteration, if you do have some ideas or suggestions for a new poll, please post them in the thread and tag the post with: #OPVote. It makes poll suggestions much easier to find.

Current poll: Favourite constitutional/government models?
Poll 1: Is Cultural Marxism a Problem? (Jochistan) - 54% Voted Yes
Poll 2: Favourite Right-Wing Politicians? (Kauthar) - 25% voted Donald Trump
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Autocrats (Unnamed Island State) - 45% voted Vladamir Putin
Poll 4: Best Right-Wing Countries (Kauthar) - Putin's Russia 21%
Poll 5: Best Right-Wing Idealogue (Legitimists)

Poll 1: What Right-Wing Ideology do you adhere to? - 55 votes for Libertarian
Poll 2 Favourite Right-Wing Economic System - 31 votes for Neoliberalism
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator - 18 Votes Kai Shek and Pinochet
Poll 4: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator PART 2 - David Cameron 49%
Poll 5: Prominent Right-Wing NSers/Favourite Future Right-Wing Dictator - Old Tyrannia 39 votes/29%
Poll 6: Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictators - Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) 43 Votes/23%

Poll 0.1: Continue the Old Poll Y/N
Poll 1: Favourite Right-Wing Ideologies - Libertarianism/Minarchism

Poll 1: Favorite Centre-Right Parties - Republican Party (US) 39%
Poll 2: What should be the most important core value of a state ideology? Liberty 47%

Poll 1: Which piece of literature has been most significant to the development of right-wing ideology? - Reflections on the Revolution in France 68/237 (29%)


Take a swig of your chosen poison every time:
  • Kauthar gets banned for something.
  • Someone asks what the most right-wing category of something totally irrelevant to politics is.
  • A left-winger appears, makes a dismissive or vaguely insulting comment, then disappears without making any effort to debate.
  • Someone calls someone else a "liberal" in spite of the fact that they are blatantly not a liberal.
  • Someone attempts to impose their arbitrary and counter-intuitive definition of "right-wing" on everyone else, who are all naturally excluded by said definition.
  • A raging debate breaks out about LGBT issues.
  • OP asks for poll suggestions, promptly ignores all suggestions from people he doesn't like.
  • A left-winger enters and begins ferociously attacking a political strawman with no relevance to the previous topic of discussion.
  • A right-winger appears with views corresponding almost exactly to the above strawman, causing most other right-wingers in the thread to smash their heads against their desks repeatedly until they pass out from severe brain damage and internal bleeding.
  • Someone, not naming names UMN begins waifuposting
  • An NSG veteran reminisces about the time when the NSG Right was still respectable.
  • Conscentia questions whether a post is on topic.
  • Swallow a shekel every time "The Happy Merchant" drops a signature 'OY VEY!'
  • Dio blames Degeneracy on good ol' Rock n' Roll
  • Down a keg of blood every time Warhammer is referenced.
  • Down a pot of cotton candy every time someone uses an Anime term


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Move to the right
Doing the reactionary...
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Postby Camaalbakrius » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:09 pm

First

Edit: Add to the drinking game: Someone mentions the patriarchy
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:09 pm

First for new thread Beaten to it
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:09 pm

Oh thank God the thread didn't get hijacked.
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Postby WaRtArIa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:10 pm

Wait, down a pot of cotton candy for every anime term? Well then. Prepare for degeneracy.

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Postby WaRtArIa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:10 pm

Camaalbakrius wrote:First

Edit: Add to the drinking game: Someone mentions the patriarchy

Note my signature.

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:11 pm

This thread is blessed.
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Postby Camaalbakrius » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:11 pm

Wartaria wrote:
Camaalbakrius wrote:First

Edit: Add to the drinking game: Someone mentions the patriarchy

Note my signature.

That doesn't count. It has to be someone who believes it is real
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Postby WaRtArIa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:12 pm

Camaalbakrius wrote:
Wartaria wrote:Note my signature.

That doesn't count. It has to be someone who believes it is real

But it IS real!

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OT got OP and I got noscoped hard
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Wartaria wrote:
Camaalbakrius wrote:That doesn't count. It has to be someone who believes it is real

But it IS real!

You aren't convincing anyone. *pats head* but nice try
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Wartaria wrote:Wait, down a pot of cotton candy for every anime term? Well then. Prepare for degeneracy.

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Nusaresa wrote:OT got OP and I got noscoped hard

:(

Cheer up bro. There's always next thread.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:15 pm

That drinking game seems like a 10/10 way to die.
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Grand Britannia wrote:Oh thank God the thread didn't get hijacked.

The hijacker (moi) got sniped by the lag and modly prowess uwu


which piece of literature has been most significant to the development of right-wing ideology?


Depends. For certain western traditions you could call the Bible itself the most influential in the development of certain ideologies. Others would say Adam Smith's and Locke's works contributed a lot.

Depends on where you look at it.

As for the lil poll, Burke. Definitely Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France.
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Postby Aelex » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:19 pm

J'ai raté l'occasion de réclamer comme mien le premier message de ce sujet en anglais mais au moins j'aurai celui en Français.
In other words : first! :p
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Traditionalism, Monarchism, Prussian Constitutionalism.
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Grand Britannia wrote:Oh thank God the thread didn't get hijacked.

The souvenir of R.I.G's "coup" is still vivid in our memories.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:22 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Wartaria wrote:Wait, down a pot of cotton candy for every anime term? Well then. Prepare for degeneracy.

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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:22 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Nusaresa wrote:OT got OP and I got noscoped hard

:(

Cheer up bro. There's always next thread.

You're the best bro c:
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Grand Britannia wrote:Oh thank God the thread didn't get hijacked.

The souvenir of R.I.G's "coup" is still vivid in our memories.

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United Marxist Nations wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Name me a non-lassiez-faire non-communist ideology that doesn't bank in on 'class collaboration' and a 'corporatist economy' in the same way SocDems can be said to.


Traditionalism, Monarchism, Prussian Constitutionalism.

I'd say it still does but without the connotations of Social Democracy.
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Nusaresa wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote::(

Cheer up bro. There's always next thread.

You're the best bro c:

Right back atcha ;)
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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:26 pm

No "The Decline of the West" by Oswald Spengler?

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:27 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:That drinking game seems like a 10/10 way to die.

Your liver gets used to it.

Also, it's hard to say which has been the most influential. I think it would be dependent on country and particular right-wing ideology. Burke for example has clearly been quite influential on many an Anglosphere right-winger (particularly conservatives). But the right in, say, Germany is more influenced by other works and figures.
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