by Settrah » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:37 am
by Taviana SSR » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:40 am
Settrah wrote:It's no big secret that abrahamic faiths traditionally condemned sodomy, although these days those against have mellowed from stoning to just disowning, and a few maybe even actually embrace it. Christianity seems far lot more modernising with same sex love and sex than Islam is, from what I've seen, but hey. There is area for progress. But it seems to be religion's traditional values (on topics like marriage) and the word of god that predominately fuels one's hostility to anything non heterosexual and monogamous.
What I'm interested in, is something that challenges this paradigm. Homophobic atheists. I mean if homophobia does boil down to religion, and one denounces all religion, then would homophobia still exist? If so, what's really the cause?
You could say ignorance, but then you do still get sexist atheists a lot more, but not really many homophobic ones, and awareness of that homophobia is why many openly challenge religion.
One hypothetical theory is the age in which someone becomes atheist. If they become one too early, they may not have had a chance to shred any cultural/emotional baggage from their social conservative backgrounds, and as such still harness some homophobia from religion.
Some may feel that even with science trumping religion, homosexuality might still be against nature, since it is not necessary for human survival. In which case religion doesn't actually come down to it.
Thoughts?
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by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:42 am
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by Philjia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:52 am
by Imperium Sidhicum » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:52 am
by Alvecia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:54 am
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Not necessarily. There are many non-religious reasons why an irreligious person would disapprove of homosexuality.
by Quokkastan » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:55 am
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Not necessarily. There are many non-religious reasons why an irreligious person would disapprove of homosexuality.
by Philjia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:55 am
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by Vassenor » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:58 am
by Alvecia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:59 am
Cetacea wrote:No
it's linked to douchbags who think that their preferences is universal law
theres plenty of non-religious homophobes
by Imperium Sidhicum » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:08 am
by Alvecia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:09 am
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Alvecia wrote:Really? Cause I'm struggling to come up with a good reason.
My own favourite is that homosexual relationships cannot produce offspring, so it is therefore against the interests of society or the state to endorse them. Even historical cultures that were otherwise very tolerant of homosexual behaviour still expected people so inclined to have a regular family and children, their preferences being relegated to the role of just that - preferences rather than fundamental aspect of their identity that would not excuse them from their social obligations.
Base disgust at the act is also a common reason. Let's just say that from the perspective of the average heterosexual man, there is something fundamentally wrong with a guy making advances on another guy, so it's little wonder that one may find such behaviour unnatural and repulsive.
Lastly, it can be for ideological reasons. One can very well be an atheist and still dislike homosexuals with a passion for ideological reasons.
by Imperializt Russia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:09 am
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by Hammer Britannia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:11 am
by Fenexia and holochrome » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:13 am
Taviana SSR wrote:Settrah wrote:It's no big secret that abrahamic faiths traditionally condemned sodomy, although these days those against have mellowed from stoning to just disowning, and a few maybe even actually embrace it. Christianity seems far lot more modernising with same sex love and sex than Islam is, from what I've seen, but hey. There is area for progress. But it seems to be religion's traditional values (on topics like marriage) and the word of god that predominately fuels one's hostility to anything non heterosexual and monogamous.
What I'm interested in, is something that challenges this paradigm. Homophobic atheists. I mean if homophobia does boil down to religion, and one denounces all religion, then would homophobia still exist? If so, what's really the cause?
You could say ignorance, but then you do still get sexist atheists a lot more, but not really many homophobic ones, and awareness of that homophobia is why many openly challenge religion.
One hypothetical theory is the age in which someone becomes atheist. If they become one too early, they may not have had a chance to shred any cultural/emotional baggage from their social conservative backgrounds, and as such still harness some homophobia from religion.
Some may feel that even with science trumping religion, homosexuality might still be against nature, since it is not necessary for human survival. In which case religion doesn't actually come down to it.
Thoughts?
Yes, religion is responsible for most homophobia as a moral justification. Religion is an illusion that provides reasons and excuses to keep society functioning just as it is, and to divide the people. e.g. by sexual preference. Much as capitalism takes productive labor and alienates us from its value, religion takes highest ideals and aspirations and alienates us from them, projecting them onto an alien and unknowable being called a god.
Religion is irrational, a delusion and a worship of appearances that avoids recognizing underlying reality. Is also negates all that is dignified in a human being by rendering them servile and more amenable to accepting the status quo.
In the preface to his doctoral dissertation, Karl Marx adopted as his motto the words of the Greek hero Prometheus who defied the gods to bring fire to humanity: “I hate all gods,” with addition that they “do not recognize man’s self-consciousness as the highest divinity.”
Religion is very hypocritical, while it might profess valuable principles, it always sides with the oppressors. Jesus advocated helping the poor, but the Christian church merged with the oppressive Roman state, taking part in the enslavement of people for centuries and now promoting homophobia. The problem is that many workers have not yet achieved ideological independence from the petty bourgeoisie and the clergy and priests and pope are all representatives of the bourgeoisie.
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