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Should the US Constitution be Amended to Abolish the Electoral College?

YES! The Electoral College must be abolished, I want Direct Presidential Elections Baby!
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NO! We're going to keep the Electoral College, and let me explain why...
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Abolish the Electoral College?

Postby Shofercia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:51 am

If you are a Clinton supporter:

You're watching the election and Hillary Clinton is winning. Sure Trump has the most electoral votes, but Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, and Hawaii are coming up. Clinton needs them all, but c'mon, they're blue states! The results start pouring in, but there's some funny business going on in Nevada. It's too close to call. Clinton desperately needs it to win. Original projections from the Pacific States show her up by over a million votes. But Nevada shenanigans. Trump won Florida on a razor thin margin to stay in the race, will Nevada be next? You're biting your fingernails, and screaming at the TV. You are too scared to turn on Fox News. Trump wins Nevada, and becomes the next president, after losing the popular vote.



If you are a Trump supporter:

You're watching the elections, and it's going better than you thought. You need Florida to win. C'mon, it's Florida, the state that voted for Bush. Yes, yes, they take forever to count their ballots, but it's Red! And your candidate is up in the popular vote. The winner of the race wins Florida. A voting box containing 200 votes in a pro-Trump district disappears. You're pissed. 200 votes? Trump's up by over a million! And the Florida results come in. There will be a recount, but you cannot believe your eyes. Clinton won by 195 votes.



If you are an independent, and/or a member of another party:

You hate both candidates. On voting night, you're going out to party. Less Republicans and less Democrats at your party places, so why not? "What could make this election worse?" you ask, and instantly shut up. You weren't supposed to say that. You party for a bit, but suddenly you notice the candidate you like least, winning. You start reading captions for some reason. They say: [CANDIDATE YOU LIKE LEAST] LOST THE POPULAR VOTE, AND THE ELECTORAL VOTE, BUT WAS ELECTED DUE TO FAITHLESS ELECTORS. You look outside and see rioting. Why couldn't you just keep your mouth shut?


The bottom line is that the Electoral College is bad. It's bad because of faithless electors. It's bad because a lot of power goes to swing states. It's bad because a Californian's vote counts for less than Wyming's vote, something reminiscent of the 3/5ths rule. It's just bad.

So, NSG, should be abolish the Electoral College?
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:51 am

Yes. Next?
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:53 am

Galloism wrote:Yes. Next?


I think that's the fastest response I had to any of my threads.

As for next, I think that someone will say "NO!" and we'll have a debate, this is NSG.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:54 am

Yes. It is a stupid system.
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Postby Luziyca » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:54 am

Yes. Even FPTP is better than this system.
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Postby Engleberg » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:54 am

I'm a monarchist; but yes I agree that it should. The US is supposed to be the beacon of democracy and the people are in control of the government; but they can't even vote their own president. That should be fixed.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:55 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Yes. It is a stupid system.

Being clear, it wasn't stupid at the time. Because of great travel distances and slow speed of travel, you had to have a physical delegation go to Washington to represent the state's interests, and the electoral college was a way to do that.

Then we invented planes and telephones.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:55 am

Yes, just because it's an outdated thing that is unnecesary in the 21st century.
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Postby Philjia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:56 am

Yes. First past the post or one person one vote would be much better for presidential elections.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:57 am

Philjia wrote:Yes. First past the post or one person one vote would be much better for presidential elections.

Honestly, I'd prefer FPTP with instant runoff balloting.

Give the "What is Aleppo?" guy a chance, will ya?
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:57 am

It should be scrapped. Straight popular vote. That way, everyone's vote counts equally, and their will no longer be red states and blue states- every state will be worth campaigning in.

An intermediate compromise would be mandating that each state's electoral college votes must go to the candidate who won that state, to avoid the risk of faithless electors.
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Postby Arkadacia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:57 am

It's a tad outdated, but then I see how abjectly fucking moronic most of the population of the United States is and remember that none of these people should be anywhere near a government anyways.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:58 am

In before anyone has actually answered 'no'. You could make a thread about whether or not we should be indiscriminately euthanizing puppies and there would be more debate.
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:01 pm

Yes it's dumb
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:07 pm

I like it, it should stay.
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Postby Dundee Derry » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:08 pm

When was the last time a candidate lost the popular vote, but won the electoral college?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:09 pm

Ugh we shouldn't have to rely on others to vote for us.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:09 pm

Dundee Derry wrote:When was the last time a candidate lost the popular vote, but won the electoral college?


Bush 2000 I believe, officially (some will contest that he really won Florida).
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:10 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Dundee Derry wrote:When was the last time a candidate lost the popular vote, but won the electoral college?


Bush 2000 I believe, officially (some will contest that he really won Florida).

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Postby New haven america » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:16 pm

Yes.

It may have worked in the 1700's, however, it does not work now. (Example: 2000's Election)
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:17 pm

Dundee Derry wrote:When was the last time a candidate lost the popular vote, but won the electoral college?


2000

And in 2003 we invaded Iraq, something that Gore wouldn't have done.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:18 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Dundee Derry wrote:When was the last time a candidate lost the popular vote, but won the electoral college?


Bush 2000 I believe, officially (some will contest that he really won Florida).


Doesn't matter though, he still lost the popular vote. All presidents who won the EC, but lost the actual vote, have been shitheads.
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:30 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:I like it, it should stay.

Why
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Postby Cetacea » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:33 pm

Arkadacia wrote:It's a tad outdated, but then I see how abjectly fucking moronic most of the population of the United States is and remember that none of these people should be anywhere near a government anyways.


and yet you let them run for president?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:34 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I like it, it should stay.

Why


Gives the smaller states a little more say in the matter.
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