President Trump and the Future of Europe

[Novus America]

Source?

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, >> which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and >> other radical Sunni groups in the region.

Yes apparently the US has magical powers that allows it to mind control people. And make them do whatever we want. Arabs and Ukrainians and others are mindless pawns controlled by our evil mind control. Put on your tinfoil hat or we will get you too.

Seriously the US of course cannot do any of this shit. We can support one side, give them a little bit of a benefit, but that is not decisive or determinative.

If we could magically overthrow whoever we want, how come we cannot magically overthrow Putin too? Cause Russia Magic strongk power overcomes our magic mind control?

And of course Russia (Putin) does what Russia (Putin) wants for Russia (Putin).

You say supposed non-biased NGOs and media in particular country upon which you agitate people.

Thus emails do not claim what you say we claim. Yes after the Arab spring happened, we supported certain sides. As did Russia.

Yes we do try to advance our interests. As does Russia. We are usually not very successful in doing so however. Just having media or NGOs supporting something does not mean people will agree.

Again Arabs are not mindless drones. Nor do we have a media or NGO monopoly in the region. Nor are our media and NGOs some hive mind who always agree. Nor do Arab people always agree with us.

I wish it was that easy, that we had magical powers allowing us to have everything go our way. But we do not.

[Novus America]

Such as the part where its a satanic terrorist state?

Well, ok it is not literary a satanic state. But yes, all evil things is coming from the USA. Neo-liberalism, ISIS, cuckoldry and so on.

Now this is pure Poe. I am pretty sure evil existed long before the US.

Seriously even if we wanted to do all this we could not. Our leaders are weak and confused. The are stumbling around in the dark, trying to figure out what is going on. We are just as confused and lost on this world as anyone else.

We are not that powerful. Not that strong. Not that United. Not that competent. We could not do all this even if we wanted to.

[Daburuetchi]

Well, ok it is not literary a satanic state. But yes, all evil things is coming from the USA. Neo-liberalism, ISIS, cuckoldry and so on.

Now this is pure Poe. I am pretty sure evil existed long before the US.

Naw I'm pretty sure George Washington was there when Cain bashed Abel's head in. I bet he handed Eve the Apple himself.

[Grenartia]

Really, the future of Europe (and the rest of the world, at least as currently stands) under a Trump presidency can be measured in minutes from the moment Putin or the Premier of China insults Trump's shitty toupee.

30 minutes

Actually, from launch sites in Russia, nukes only take 10 minutes to reach targets in the UK.

[Novus America]

Now this is pure Poe. I am pretty sure evil existed long before the US.

Naw I'm pretty sure George Washington was there when Cain bashed Abel's head in. I bet he handed Eve the Apple himself.

NOOOO. You discovered our secret. Our magical CIA ninjas will get you though. Just you wait and see. We will magically brainwash you into becoming a Jew Nazi Socialist Catholic Neo Liberal homosexual transgender cuckold in no time. The CIA/NSA/NGO lamestream Media mind control machine is locked on your location.

[Novus America]

30 minutes

Actually, from launch sites in Russia, nukes only take 10 minutes to reach targets in the UK.

How would Trump getting elected (he will not) cause Putin to decide to nuke the U.K.?

[Grenartia]

Probably not much. Trump apparently never took third grade and doesn't know his powers don't cover most of his agenda. Prepare for a lame duck to be edged out of the 2020 race.

If POTUS didn't have near total control over the nukes, you might have a point. However, due to the nature of nuclear warfare, the President is the only person who can order a nuclear launch, and has no Congressional or judicial oversight in the matter.

[Grenartia]

Actually, from launch sites in Russia, nukes only take 10 minutes to reach targets in the UK.

How would Trump getting elected (he will not) cause Putin to decide to nuke the U.K.?

If you have to ask that question, then the Cold War must be an utter mystery to you.

[Daburuetchi]

That is not a right of self-determination. Self-determination means a right that a part of people can form a new counry, not a new government. Well, if you can provide evidence that the Iranian Revolution was not started by foreigner than I would not support. But even there the US is to blame because the Shah was an american backed dictator.

So if you accept aid from a foriegn country that gets rid of your anti-imperialist cred? Doesn't that mean we should oppose Cuba, China and the Kurds? How does acccepting aid= this isn't the will of the people?

Why did you than did not support the right of the South to secede from the US?

Cuz there wasn't an oppressed ethnic group seeking self-determination.

[-Fahrong-]

As A Russian, I applaud the breaking down of the awful atlanticist world order that will be helped by a Trump White House. It will allow Europe to actually rely on itself again instead of being an American puppet. And it will be great to see cooperation between two of the worlds great powers in the unstable days of the coming future.

[Daburuetchi]

As A Russian, I applaud the breaking down of the awful atlanticist world order that will be helped by a Trump White House. It will allow Europe to actually rely on itself again instead of being an American puppet. And it will be great to see cooperation between two of the worlds great powers in the unstable days of the coming future.

China sure as hell isn't lookin' to give either Russia or Europe a big hug. It would definitely exploit the vacuum left by the US and the world would probably be worse off.

[Novus America]

Now this is pure Poe. I am pretty sure evil existed long before the US.

Seriously even if we wanted to do all this we could not. Our leaders are weak and confused. The are stumbling around in the dark, trying to figure out what is going on. We are just as confused and lost on this world as anyone else.

We are not that powerful. Not that strong. Not that United. Not that competent. We could not do all this even if we wanted to.

Neo-liberalism was started by Reagan. ISIS is supported by USA and their allies Qatar and S. Arabia. The western decadence is promoted in US films which the non-US audience unfortunately look. I am not wrong.

Wow. Just wow. So everyone else is controlled by our ebul mind control except you?
"Neo liberalism" is just a continuation of old ideas. Reagan did not create jack. He tried to advance our what he believed were our interests, yes. Like any other country. Sometimes he succeed. Sometimes failed. This is all a big game, and we are not even good at it.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar yeah are bad news. Yes us supporting them so much is often bad (though your own source showed we strongly disagree with them on many things including their support for extremism). The US is not all pure and good. Nor evil, we are honestly not special. Plus US backed forces are marching on ISIS's capital BTW.

Again the US is simply not that different or special. We are like every other country. We are also lost and confused.

[Grenartia]

Neo-liberalism was started by Reagan. ISIS is supported by USA and their allies Qatar and S. Arabia. The western decadence is promoted in US films which the non-US audience unfortunately look. I am not wrong.

Wow. Just wow. So everyone else is controlled by our ebul mind control except you?
"Neo liberalism" is just a continuation of old ideas. Reagan did not create jack. He tried to advance our what he believed were our interests, yes. Like any other country. Sometimes he succeed. Sometimes failed. This is all a big game, and we are not even good at it.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar yeah are bad news. Yes us supporting them so much is often bad (though your own source showed we strongly disagree with them on many things including their support for extremism). The US is not all pure and good. Nor evil, we are honestly not special. Plus US backed forces are marching on ISIS's capital BTW.

Again the US is simply not that different or special. We are like every other country. We are also lost and confused.

And really, given how Putin and Assad keep insisting on bombing moderate rebels instead of Daesh forces, it can be convincingly argued that they are pro-ISIS.

[Oldenfranck]

hate to burst anyones bubble, but Trump is not going to win.

[Liriena]

And what does this have to do with anything?

To bring pressure on the Qatari and Saudi governments, so as to disccourage further support for radical Sunni groups, doesn't sound particularly atrocious.

It is a direct material evidence that ISIS is funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia, american allies and with the blessing of the USA.

Welcome to realpolitik. Disgusting, isn't it?

[Novus America]

As A Russian, I applaud the breaking down of the awful atlanticist world order that will be helped by a Trump White House. It will allow Europe to actually rely on itself again instead of being an American puppet. And it will be great to see cooperation between two of the worlds great powers in the unstable days of the coming future.

If Europe is American puppet how come so many in Europe opppsed us over Iraq? The US works with Europe because we often but not always have a lot of common interests.

Plus Russia does what Russia wants. But what Russia wants is not what most of Europe wants. Anyways it is not happening. Trump is losing badly.

[Daburuetchi]

The problem when supposed oppositionaries receives aid from a foreign country that they do everything what is in the interest of the said country. Those interest could usually be opposed to the will of the whole nation. It is highly unethical. Putin banned NGOs to receive money from foreign subject, and as a result the western media this move as "authoritarian".

So should we praise Mussolini for his autarkic economic policies and his defense of "the will of the whole nation?"

And what if the people do not what "democracy"? what than? Will the US leave them alone?

Lol. That's kinda racist m8. Are you seriously going to claim Arabs don't want democracy?

That is not a reason. The motives why were they seceding is not important but whether they decide to make the act of secession. You are complaining why did Russia not let Chechnya to secede yet the US did not allowed the same to the South. Oh and Chechens were not opressed, they have had the same rights as every russian citizens.

According to this logic Austria-Hungry should have never broken up

[Novus America]

It is a direct material evidence that ISIS is funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia, american allies and with the blessing of the USA.

Welcome to realpolitik. Disgusting, isn't it?

Well note it also proved we opposed Qatar and Saudi Arabia on their support to extremists. But yes our realpolitik can be icky too. We are not special.

[New Werpland]

This meme again. Countries have things called hidden agendas. US imperialism is just a casus beli. You're kidding yourself if you think Russia dosent have imperialist ambitions

Russia does not have. The only time Russia recently acted is when was provoked. In Georgia there was an US puppet Sakashvili that attacked Russian troops. In Ukraine there was a legitimate president was ousted.

Russia was responsible for escalating the conflict in Georgia to the point where Saakashvili decided to send troops into South Ossetia. Simply looking at it from a legal view-that is who technically broke the treaty first-completely ignores how the conflict actually resumed in 2008.

[Grenartia]

As A Russian, I applaud the breaking down of the awful atlanticist world order that will be helped by a Trump White House. It will allow Europe to actually rely on itself again instead of being an American puppet. And it will be great to see cooperation between two of the worlds great powers in the unstable days of the coming future.

1. Indeed Russia is not imperialist, 2. while the US is forcing us to adopt idea that we do not like (for example gay marriages)

1. In what alternate universe are you living? Because Russia, even back to the days of the USSR, has been at least as imperialist, if not more, than it has claimed the US is.

2. Oh noes, you're being told you have to respect basic human rights, how oppressed you must be! Surely you must be given special rights to treat your fellow human beings like shit!

Build a bridge, and get over it.

[Oldenfranck]

its like a bar brawl in here...

[New Werpland]

Oh and Chechens were not opressed, they have had the same rights as every russian citizens.

Unfortunately Chechens are adept to dying via death squad police x times more than the average Russian citizen....

[Novus America]

Wow. Just wow. So everyone else is controlled by our ebul mind control except you?
"Neo liberalism" is just a continuation of old ideas. Reagan did not create jack. He tried to advance our what he believed were our interests, yes. Like any other country. Sometimes he succeed. Sometimes failed. This is all a big game, and we are not even good at it.

By neo-liberalism I mean the Washington consensus. All this economic ideas that were promoted as good. De-regulation, privatisation, market fundamentalism. It all started with Reagan.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar yeah are bad news. Yes us supporting them so much is often bad (though your own source showed we strongly disagree with them on many things including their support for extremism). The US is not all pure and good. Nor evil, we are honestly not special. Plus US backed forces are marching on ISIS's capital BTW.

Thank you admitted. I hope you will now join ISIS and let Assad rule Syria otherwise it will turn into Libya 2,0

None of those things started with Reagan, and existed long before him, even if he supported them. Reagan was an actor. He did not come up with any of that.

I cannot deny the US supports Saudi Arabia and Qatar on many things. But again your source admitted we do not agree with them on many things, including extremism.

Your last thing makes no sense. We are about to crush ISIS in its own capital. But that will not fix the problems in the Middle East. Libya is much better off than Syria by any measure, and Assad wining means more refugees but eh, we cannot stop Assad, he will still be around and so will your refugees.

[Novus America]

1. Indeed Russia is not imperialist, 2. while the US is forcing us to adopt idea that we do not like (for example gay marriages)

1. In what alternate universe are you living? Because Russia, even back to the days of the USSR, has been at least as imperialist, if not more, than it has claimed the US is.

2. Oh noes, you're being told you have to respect basic human rights, how oppressed you must be! Surely you must be given special rights to treat your fellow human beings like shit!

Build a bridge, and get over it.

Anyways when has the US forced anyone outside the US to accept gay marriage? Nowhere of course.

[Rio Cana]

^Most likely Assad will not be going anywhere. Syria is being partitioned into two with this new offensive in Raqqa. Pro-Russian Assad controlling Western Syria and Pro-US Kurds/Free Syrians controlling Northern/Eastern Syria.