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Sitharian
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Postby Sitharian » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:30 am

Tinhampton wrote:Why are we having a new topic about something that happened 18 months ago? That's a bit like me announcing that the World Assembly Charter Working Group's repeal of GAR#2 has just been dinged by the mods!

If you are coming from future... That happened today, though that was also happened 18 months ago too.

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Postby Greater Pareidolia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:32 am

Sitharian wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Why are we having a new topic about something that happened 18 months ago? That's a bit like me announcing that the World Assembly Charter Working Group's repeal of GAR#2 has just been dinged by the mods!

If you are coming from future... That happened today, though that was also happened 18 months ago too.


Turkish history repeats itself. Over and over and over.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:33 am

Sitharian wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Why are we having a new topic about something that happened 18 months ago? That's a bit like me announcing that the World Assembly Charter Working Group's repeal of GAR#2 has just been dinged by the mods!

If you are coming from future... That happened today, though that was also happened 18 months ago too.

If you wanted to write about this censorship, why couldn't you have found a more recent article? (There is also a Turkey (Mega)Thread, but, ironically, it hasn't been updated for two months now.)
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Postby Sitharian » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:35 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Sitharian wrote:If you are coming from future... That happened today, though that was also happened 18 months ago too.

If you wanted to write about this censorship, why couldn't you have found a more recent article? (There is also a Turkey (Mega)Thread, but, ironically, it hasn't been updated for two months now.)

Srry, i am not the one who found that article

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Postby Imperial Idaho » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:37 am

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Postby Warltorn » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:41 am

Leader of the biggest and main Kurdish party in Turkey (HDP) was arrested today, and the HDP is most likely to be closed soon.

... well, I can't wait for the Kurdish genocide.
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Postby Sareva » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:58 am

Keremistan wrote:Some people do not understand the situation in Turkey even at this time. There is a military campaign going on against both Daesh and PKK. We have suffered long from terrorism, for longer than 30 years. So many people died, in particular innocent people. PKK terrorists killed two policemen in their sleep. They also drove a van full of explosives, in our capital, on innocent people who were waiting to return to their parents, children, family. Daesh attacked a wedding celebration. More than 50 people died, mostly children. We have survived a coup attempt, thanks to heroic efforts of our nation, we stood as one against the enemies of our democracy and our republic. 240 martyrs. We are One under our flag. Nobody here has a problem with Kurds, Zazas and many other ethnic groups.

But,

If you attack our civilians, our police and our soldiers, our civil servants, MPs, Mayors, then it evolves into another thing, something we call ''terrorism''. Those actions will not be tolerated. Enough. Nobody should expect from us to sit around and do nothing about our national security, while other countries use less fortunate countries as their playground. Why do we get criticised when the government impose state of emergency for 6 months, while France has practiced it for 1 full year? Why do we get criticised when we apply emergency measures to an extraordinary situation? Did you know the members of the coup used WhatsApp to communicate? Did you know how many times the ''information pollution'' on social media almost caused a chaos? The Westerners do not gather the information from various sources with various political views. They even went as further as supporting the coup attempt. There are many Turkish newspapers who criticise the government, and many papers who side with the government. The freedom of speech is much more relevant than it is projected by Foreign medias. There of course will be errors, and it is totally open to criticism, but we should do it without bias and reliable information. Wouldn't you detain an MP, or close down a newspaper or TV channel who spreads terrorist propaganda? They are not responsible citizens anymore. They are terrorists.

I understand that the situation in Turkey can be difficult to understand for foreigners. But please do research and gather information from various channels.

Here are some links to Turkish international newspapers:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ (neutral, sometimes against government newspaper)
http://www.dailysabah.com/ (pro-government newspaper)
http://aa.com.tr/en (official news agency)
http://www.dha.com.tr/english/ (another news agency which owns Hürriyet)


Your "President" has a fucking mansion the size of Versailles. Your "President" is a fucking genocidal fuckwit. Your "President" is obviously a piece of human filth who is trying to gain even more than absolute control. Arguing that people who are dissenting the government's own fucked up actions and morals is not "spreading terrorist propaganda", it's simply speaking your opinion. Acting on it is a different story: this is not the case here.

Turkey is a beautiful nation with beautiful people. Turkey's government is the ugly step-child who ruins it for everyone else. I'm also not going to read those newspapers because I highly doubt they are not under pressure to follow the state's directions. Erdogan is a really horrible person, and I refuse to accept that he is doing something "perfectly legal".
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Sareva wrote:They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

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Postby Greater Pareidolia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:09 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Sitharian wrote:If you are coming from future... That happened today, though that was also happened 18 months ago too.

If you wanted to write about this censorship, why couldn't you have found a more recent article? (There is also a Turkey (Mega)Thread, but, ironically, it hasn't been updated for two months now.)


I think you'll find it hasn't been updated because Turks can't find this place anymore.
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Postby Sitharian » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:14 am

Greater Pareidolia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:If you wanted to write about this censorship, why couldn't you have found a more recent article? (There is also a Turkey (Mega)Thread, but, ironically, it hasn't been updated for two months now.)


I think you'll find it hasn't been updated because Turks can't find this place anymore.

What do you mean

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Korica
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Postby Korica » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:19 am

What do you suspect from Erdoğan? All this time he been trying to bring back the ottoman empire.
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Postby New Axiom » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:24 am

Sareva wrote:
Keremistan wrote:Some people do not understand the situation in Turkey even at this time. There is a military campaign going on against both Daesh and PKK. We have suffered long from terrorism, for longer than 30 years. So many people died, in particular innocent people. PKK terrorists killed two policemen in their sleep. They also drove a van full of explosives, in our capital, on innocent people who were waiting to return to their parents, children, family. Daesh attacked a wedding celebration. More than 50 people died, mostly children. We have survived a coup attempt, thanks to heroic efforts of our nation, we stood as one against the enemies of our democracy and our republic. 240 martyrs. We are One under our flag. Nobody here has a problem with Kurds, Zazas and many other ethnic groups.

But,

If you attack our civilians, our police and our soldiers, our civil servants, MPs, Mayors, then it evolves into another thing, something we call ''terrorism''. Those actions will not be tolerated. Enough. Nobody should expect from us to sit around and do nothing about our national security, while other countries use less fortunate countries as their playground. Why do we get criticised when the government impose state of emergency for 6 months, while France has practiced it for 1 full year? Why do we get criticised when we apply emergency measures to an extraordinary situation? Did you know the members of the coup used WhatsApp to communicate? Did you know how many times the ''information pollution'' on social media almost caused a chaos? The Westerners do not gather the information from various sources with various political views. They even went as further as supporting the coup attempt. There are many Turkish newspapers who criticise the government, and many papers who side with the government. The freedom of speech is much more relevant than it is projected by Foreign medias. There of course will be errors, and it is totally open to criticism, but we should do it without bias and reliable information. Wouldn't you detain an MP, or close down a newspaper or TV channel who spreads terrorist propaganda? They are not responsible citizens anymore. They are terrorists.

I understand that the situation in Turkey can be difficult to understand for foreigners. But please do research and gather information from various channels.

Here are some links to Turkish international newspapers:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ (neutral, sometimes against government newspaper)
http://www.dailysabah.com/ (pro-government newspaper)
http://aa.com.tr/en (official news agency)
http://www.dha.com.tr/english/ (another news agency which owns Hürriyet)


Your "President" has a fucking mansion the size of Versailles. Your "President" is a fucking genocidal fuckwit. Your "President" is obviously a piece of human filth who is trying to gain even more than absolute control. Arguing that people who are dissenting the government's own fucked up actions and morals is not "spreading terrorist propaganda", it's simply speaking your opinion. Acting on it is a different story: this is not the case here.

Turkey is a beautiful nation with beautiful people. Turkey's government is the ugly step-child who ruins it for everyone else. I'm also not going to read those newspapers because I highly doubt they are not under pressure to follow the state's directions. Erdogan is a really horrible person, and I refuse to accept that he is doing something "perfectly legal".


Well that was rude.
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Postby Seraven » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:26 am

Korica wrote:What do you suspect from Erdoğan? All this time he been trying to bring back the ottoman empire.


Or a smaller but stronger version of Ottoman Empire. It's not quite feasible for Turkey to restoring the old territories of the Ottoman, even though technically they are the second strongest nation in NATO.
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An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Freefall11111 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:27 am

Seraven wrote: even though technically they are the second strongest nation in NATO.

Err, no, they're really not. They don't even have nuclear weapons, and most likely never will. #2 is either France or the UK.

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Postby New Axiom » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:27 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
Seraven wrote: even though technically they are the second strongest nation in NATO.

Err, no, they're really not. They don't even have nuclear weapons, and most likely never will. #2 is either France or the UK.


Id say Germany, but I'm not sure.
Everyone has a plan until the New Axiom Imperial Army comes. Then everyone is just like, omigawd. Run.

My favorite user quotes:
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.


Ethel mermania wrote:
New Axiom wrote:
You mean Black Friday as in the Apex Preadator of Capatalism?

Victory is measured in gi Joe dolls and easy bake ovens. It was not old age that killed castro, it was nintendo.


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Postby Sareva » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:29 am

New Axiom wrote:
Sareva wrote:
Your "President" has a fucking mansion the size of Versailles. Your "President" is a fucking genocidal fuckwit. Your "President" is obviously a piece of human filth who is trying to gain even more than absolute control. Arguing that people who are dissenting the government's own fucked up actions and morals is not "spreading terrorist propaganda", it's simply speaking your opinion. Acting on it is a different story: this is not the case here.

Turkey is a beautiful nation with beautiful people. Turkey's government is the ugly step-child who ruins it for everyone else. I'm also not going to read those newspapers because I highly doubt they are not under pressure to follow the state's directions. Erdogan is a really horrible person, and I refuse to accept that he is doing something "perfectly legal".


Well that was rude.

Spouting statements that don't hold up to scrutiny usually gain the attention of people who actually know what they are talking about.
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Sareva wrote:They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

Zanera wrote:Asteroids are terrorists. They support a Anarchist Rock agenda, and will attack any large rock bodies such as planets in order to scare the rest of the solar system, and will sometimes just threaten planets by going close to them as a sign saying," Anarchism rulez."

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Postby Seraven » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:29 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
Seraven wrote: even though technically they are the second strongest nation in NATO.

Err, no, they're really not. They don't even have nuclear weapons, and most likely never will. #2 is either France or the UK.


Yes, sorry, misread on my part. Not the second strongest, but the second largest standing military force in NATO.
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Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Freefall11111 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:31 am

New Axiom wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Err, no, they're really not. They don't even have nuclear weapons, and most likely never will. #2 is either France or the UK.


Id say Germany, but I'm not sure.

They have a strong land army, but their navy is a joke compared to France & UK, plus they don't have nuclear weapons. It's not even close.

Seraven wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Err, no, they're really not. They don't even have nuclear weapons, and most likely never will. #2 is either France or the UK.


Yes, sorry, misread on my part. Not the second strongest, but the second largest standing military force in NATO.

That, yes, absolutely.

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Postby Seraven » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:32 am

New Axiom wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Err, no, they're really not. They don't even have nuclear weapons, and most likely never will. #2 is either France or the UK.


Id say Germany, but I'm not sure.


Germany's military is underfunded.

Strong economy yes, an economic power in Europe. And diplomatic power, but not military.
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Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:33 am

Warltorn wrote:Leader of the biggest and main Kurdish party in Turkey (HDP) was arrested today, and the HDP is most likely to be closed soon.

... well, I can't wait for the Kurdish genocide.


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Postby New Axiom » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:34 am

Sareva wrote:
New Axiom wrote:
Well that was rude.

Spouting statements that don't hold up to scrutiny usually gain the attention of people who actually know what they are talking about.


What?
Everyone has a plan until the New Axiom Imperial Army comes. Then everyone is just like, omigawd. Run.

My favorite user quotes:
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.


Ethel mermania wrote:
New Axiom wrote:
You mean Black Friday as in the Apex Preadator of Capatalism?

Victory is measured in gi Joe dolls and easy bake ovens. It was not old age that killed castro, it was nintendo.


Pringles or Lays Stax? I prefer the Lays.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:44 am

Sareva wrote:
Keremistan wrote:Some people do not understand the situation in Turkey even at this time. There is a military campaign going on against both Daesh and PKK. We have suffered long from terrorism, for longer than 30 years. So many people died, in particular innocent people. PKK terrorists killed two policemen in their sleep. They also drove a van full of explosives, in our capital, on innocent people who were waiting to return to their parents, children, family. Daesh attacked a wedding celebration. More than 50 people died, mostly children. We have survived a coup attempt, thanks to heroic efforts of our nation, we stood as one against the enemies of our democracy and our republic. 240 martyrs. We are One under our flag. Nobody here has a problem with Kurds, Zazas and many other ethnic groups.

But,

If you attack our civilians, our police and our soldiers, our civil servants, MPs, Mayors, then it evolves into another thing, something we call ''terrorism''. Those actions will not be tolerated. Enough. Nobody should expect from us to sit around and do nothing about our national security, while other countries use less fortunate countries as their playground. Why do we get criticised when the government impose state of emergency for 6 months, while France has practiced it for 1 full year? Why do we get criticised when we apply emergency measures to an extraordinary situation? Did you know the members of the coup used WhatsApp to communicate? Did you know how many times the ''information pollution'' on social media almost caused a chaos? The Westerners do not gather the information from various sources with various political views. They even went as further as supporting the coup attempt. There are many Turkish newspapers who criticise the government, and many papers who side with the government. The freedom of speech is much more relevant than it is projected by Foreign medias. There of course will be errors, and it is totally open to criticism, but we should do it without bias and reliable information. Wouldn't you detain an MP, or close down a newspaper or TV channel who spreads terrorist propaganda? They are not responsible citizens anymore. They are terrorists.

I understand that the situation in Turkey can be difficult to understand for foreigners. But please do research and gather information from various channels.

Here are some links to Turkish international newspapers:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ (neutral, sometimes against government newspaper)
http://www.dailysabah.com/ (pro-government newspaper)
http://aa.com.tr/en (official news agency)
http://www.dha.com.tr/english/ (another news agency which owns Hürriyet)


Your "President" has a fucking mansion the size of Versailles. Your "President" is a fucking genocidal fuckwit. Your "President" is obviously a piece of human filth who is trying to gain even more than absolute control. Arguing that people who are dissenting the government's own fucked up actions and morals is not "spreading terrorist propaganda", it's simply speaking your opinion. Acting on it is a different story: this is not the case here.

Turkey is a beautiful nation with beautiful people. Turkey's government is the ugly step-child who ruins it for everyone else. I'm also not going to read those newspapers because I highly doubt they are not under pressure to follow the state's directions. Erdogan is a really horrible person, and I refuse to accept that he is doing something "perfectly legal".

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Postby Greater Pareidolia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:51 am

Sitharian wrote:
Greater Pareidolia wrote:
I think you'll find it hasn't been updated because Turks can't find this place anymore.

What do you mean


It's a joke implying that NS is banned by the great sultan too.
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Postby Anollasia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:36 pm

Have they not learned? You can just avoid the censorship by using VPN or something (that's what happened last time).

The people always find a way.

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Postby Greater Pareidolia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:42 pm

Anollasia wrote:Have they not learned? You can just avoid the censorship by using VPN or something (that's what happened last time).

The people always find a way.



It is rather simple. Bet ol' Recep wishes he was dictator 40 years ago. But the fact that life...uh..finds a way (Dammit get out of here Jeff Goldblum) doesn't mean he is trying to crack dowm on anything and everything.
Trump? Clinton? It's like the tagline from Alien vs Predator.
Whoever wins, we lose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxJrjV4PNXA

When the Devil is too busy
And death's a bit too much
They call on me by name, you see
For my special touch

Don't know where to find me? Try moderation. There's usually a snowflake or two crying to them about me.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:10 pm

An undemocratic government censored the internet? What a surprise.
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