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Postby Sitharian » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:16 am

What do you think about it, what will they do next?
I think their next step is the so-called "Presidency" , that inevitable person will take the full and un-democratic control over Turkey. And than, Turkey will get even more un-democratic day by day. In the end it will either destroy itself or there will be a bloody-civil-war
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"History is repeating itself in Turkey. Once again, Turkish authorities have blocked social media in the run-up to an election.
Last year, shortly before local elections in March, sites such as Twitter, Facebook and YouTube were banned after leaked audio recordings purported to reveal corruption within the inner circle of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan - who was then prime minister.
This year, it was an image of a Turkish prosecutor being held at gunpoint after being taken hostage in March that was circulating online. He was later killed.
A ban was necessary, the court argued, because the images were "propaganda for an armed terrorist organisation and distressing for the prosecutor's family".
Once again, Twitter, YouTube and Facebook were blocked. On top of that, 166 websites which shared the images were blocked and a criminal investigation was launched against four newspapers for publishing them.
The restrictions have now been lifted after the various social media platforms complied with a court ruling to remove the images.
'Censorship again?'
The proximity of the ban to the election did not go unnoticed. "Censorship again? What a coincidence?!", wrote one Twitter user.
Many people in Turkey view the social media restrictions as a sign of the government's intolerance of opposition voices.
There is a big quality difference between the Twitter service that the American or British people are receiving and what Turkish people are
Yaman Akdeniz, Digital law specialist, Bilgi University, Istanbul
Yaman Akdeniz, a professor at Bilgi University in Istanbul who specialises in digital law, warns there "might be more of those restrictions before the elections".
"I think that ahead of the elections, with the tension growing, the restrictions will increase for various reasons," Mr Akdeniz says.
He worries the government will take advantage of a law against breaching personal and private rights. "It has a broad definition," he says.
But is it necessary to block an entire social network?
A new internet law allows Turkey's telecommunications authority (TIB) to block any website without seeking a court ruling first, and without giving the website an opportunity first to remove the offending content.
'Respect the court'
Taha Un, a prominent AKP supporter on Twitter, defends the banning of websites, saying in the case of Twitter it "is not to punish the Turkish users but Twitter itself".
"This ban is targeting Twitter and giving a message: 'If you do not comply with my ruling and ignore it then I will restrict your access to the users in Turkey'," he says.
"Nobody has the right to show Turkey as a government applying censorship. They just have to respect the court's decision. Respecting the court means respecting the users in Turkey," he adds.
But should social media companies simply comply with court orders telling them to censor certain material? What about their users' right to free expression?
"There is a big quality difference between the Twitter service that the American or British people are receiving and what Turkish people are," says Mr Akdeniz.
"Ours is censored, our accounts can be held any time."
A Turkish riot policeman uses teargas against a woman as people protest against a development plan for Gezi park in Taksim Square in central Istanbul on 28 May 2013Image copyrightREUTERS
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Social media played a crucial role spreading reports and images of the Gezi Park protests in Istanbul and elsewhere in 2013
He says the social media platforms comply with the ruling is because "they don't want to be shut down, they don't want to take that risk".
"But maybe they should take that risk, because they are being bullied in Turkey … All around the world, people talk about corporate social responsibility, but then where is that responsibility in those companies?"
'Menace to society'
The use of social media in Turkey has flourished over the past few years and has come to reflect the country's vibrant and varied culture.
It came into its own in the summer of 2013, as a place to communicate and disseminate information during the Gezi Park protest.
Social media platforms became the alternatives to the mainstream media outlets, which were criticised for self-censorship and an pro-government slant.
But Mr Erdogan was not impressed. "Social media is the worst menace to society," he said.
And yet, the AKP's supporters attempted to turn it to their advantage, launching social media campaigns against the Gezi protestors.
Then the leaked audio recordings emerged, apparently revealing corruption in Mr Erdogan's inner circle.
The AKP was trying to consolidate its power ahead of the local elections and the leak presented a threat.
Twitter and YouTube were promptly banned for 20 hours and Mr Erdogan vowed to "eradicate" the platforms.
There are now only weeks left until Turkey's crucial parliamentary elections and tensions are already running high.
Social media should be a place for Turkish people to express themselves freely and democratically, but just how free it will be as the election approaches remains to be seen."
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Postby Little Muse » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:20 am

Sitharian wrote:What do you think about it, what will they do next?

Burn the jews probably, maybe, okay maybe.

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Postby Nu Man » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:22 am

Little Muse wrote:
Sitharian wrote:What do you think about it, what will they do next?

Burn the jews probably, maybe, okay maybe.

Bad thing they don't have jews, oh wait, they have Kurds and Gulenists and leftists and...

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Postby Runeria » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:32 am

YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram ought to be censored everywhere in the interest of public health and safety
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Postby Nu Man » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:32 am

Runeria wrote:YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram ought to be censored everywhere in the interest of public health and safety

Why?

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Postby Hirota » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:32 am

Sitharian wrote:What do you think about it,
Demonstrates they are losing control. We saw the same tactics attempted during the arab spring and they failed miserably.
what will they do next?
Probably enjoy a state visit from the completely unbiased President-elect of the United states.

Otherwise, probably try and tighten the screws on the populace a little more whilst making sure the EU and NATO are powerless to intervene.
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Postby ChicagoBoys » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:33 am

Sitharian wrote:What do you think about it, what will they do next?


If you want the thread to remain open you'll need to expand the OP. What are your thoughts on it Sitharian? What else do you think they will do? Do you think this is a sign of Turkey moving away from the West? Add some of that to the OP and the mods will smile upon you

I think that these actions are just another sign of Turkey slipping into authoritarian ways and Islamism.

Next I see them continuing to give the president more sweeping powers and a further crackdown on dissent. I see them getting tougher on the Kurds and giving more support to terrorist groups in order to fight the Kurds. I even see them ending ascension talks with the EU permanently and being more belligerent towards NATO

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Postby Killdash » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:33 am

Might need to expand the OP, or face a mod crackdown. Just a friendly tip, :)

EDIT: Got jumped by those pesky ninjas, :p
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Postby The Portland Territory » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:36 am

1. Place expand your OP so it doesnt get locked up.

2. Is anyone here surprised?
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Postby Runeria » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:37 am

Nu Man wrote:
Runeria wrote:YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram ought to be censored everywhere in the interest of public health and safety

Why?


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Postby Seraven » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:38 am

Sitharian wrote:What do you think about it, what will they do next?
I think their next step is the so-called "Presidency" , that inevitable person will take the full and un-democratic control over Turkey.


Sources, please?

I mean, yes, we can certainly believe that Turkey is doing that now, but without sources, you don't have supports to backing you up if this is turns out to be fake or misinformed news report.
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Postby Sitharian » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:40 am

Seraven wrote:
Sitharian wrote:What do you think about it, what will they do next?
I think their next step is the so-called "Presidency" , that inevitable person will take the full and un-democratic control over Turkey.


Sources, please?

I mean, yes, we can certainly believe that Turkey is doing that now, but without sources, you don't have supports to backing you up if this is turns out to be fake or misinformed news report.

I have friends who are living in Turkey.

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Postby Realm of The Divine Wolf » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:42 am

Seraven wrote:
Sitharian wrote:What do you think about it, what will they do next?
I think their next step is the so-called "Presidency" , that inevitable person will take the full and un-democratic control over Turkey.


Sources, please?

I mean, yes, we can certainly believe that Turkey is doing that now, but without sources, you don't have supports to backing you up if this is turns out to be fake or misinformed news report.

I'm living in Turkey, I can guarantee you that it's really happening

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Postby Unpredictable Galaxy » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:01 am

Edit this into your OP, mate:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32204177

And this is really terrible. Censorship is the #1 way to stop any form of progress and freedom. To take a person's tongue is more painful than death.
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Postby Sitharian » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:03 am

Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:Edit this into your OP, mate:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32204177

And this is really terrible. Censorship is the #1 way to stop any form of progress and freedom. To take a person's tongue is more painful than death.

Thanks bro

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Postby British Prussia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:06 am

Sitharian wrote:
Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:Edit this into your OP, mate:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32204177

And this is really terrible. Censorship is the #1 way to stop any form of progress and freedom. To take a person's tongue is more painful than death.

Thanks bro

History is repeating itself in Turkey. Once again, Turkish authorities have blocked social media in the run-up to an election.

Turkey social media ban raises censorship fears - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32204177

That would've been sufficient...
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Postby British Prussia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:09 am

States like China and North Korea have done the same so it isn't really that shocking. Especially with Erdogan at the helm. I don't think they'll block social media indefinitely.
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Postby Seraven » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:40 am

British Prussia wrote:States like China and North Korea have done the same so it isn't really that shocking. Especially with Erdogan at the helm. I don't think they'll block social media indefinitely.


China and North Korea didn't built their foundation on politics with democracy in the first place, except for a short-lived KMT reign and Sun Yat-Sen, while Young Turks influenced the foundation of Turkey.
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Postby Keremistan » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:53 am

Some people do not understand the situation in Turkey even at this time. There is a military campaign going on against both Daesh and PKK. We have suffered long from terrorism, for longer than 30 years. So many people died, in particular innocent people. PKK terrorists killed two policemen in their sleep. They also drove a van full of explosives, in our capital, on innocent people who were waiting to return to their parents, children, family. Daesh attacked a wedding celebration. More than 50 people died, mostly children. We have survived a coup attempt, thanks to heroic efforts of our nation, we stood as one against the enemies of our democracy and our republic. 240 martyrs. We are One under our flag. Nobody here has a problem with Kurds, Zazas and many other ethnic groups.

But,

If you attack our civilians, our police and our soldiers, our civil servants, MPs, Mayors, then it evolves into another thing, something we call ''terrorism''. Those actions will not be tolerated. Enough. Nobody should expect from us to sit around and do nothing about our national security, while other countries use less fortunate countries as their playground. Why do we get criticised when the government impose state of emergency for 6 months, while France has practiced it for 1 full year? Why do we get criticised when we apply emergency measures to an extraordinary situation? Did you know the members of the coup used WhatsApp to communicate? Did you know how many times the ''information pollution'' on social media almost caused a chaos? The Westerners do not gather the information from various sources with various political views. They even went as further as supporting the coup attempt. There are many Turkish newspapers who criticise the government, and many papers who side with the government. The freedom of speech is much more relevant than it is projected by Foreign medias. There of course will be errors, and it is totally open to criticism, but we should do it without bias and reliable information. Wouldn't you detain an MP, or close down a newspaper or TV channel who spreads terrorist propaganda? They are not responsible citizens anymore. They are terrorists.

I understand that the situation in Turkey can be difficult to understand for foreigners. But please do research and gather information from various channels.

Here are some links to Turkish international newspapers:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ (neutral, sometimes against government newspaper)
http://www.dailysabah.com/ (pro-government newspaper)
http://aa.com.tr/en (official news agency)
http://www.dha.com.tr/english/ (another news agency which owns Hürriyet)

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Postby British Prussia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:57 am

Seraven wrote:
British Prussia wrote:States like China and North Korea have done the same so it isn't really that shocking. Especially with Erdogan at the helm. I don't think they'll block social media indefinitely.

China and North Korea didn't built their foundation on politics with democracy in the first place, except for a short-lived KMT reign and Sun Yat-Sen, while Young Turks influenced the foundation of Turkey.

That's true, I just meant that it isn't so shocking or unprecedented. And it's Turkey's foundations which lead me to think that this won't be a permanent thing, and I'm sure Erdogan's legacy will last long.
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Postby Greater Pareidolia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:59 am

At war with Daesh? That's what they call supplying arms to them and buying their oil these days?

Don't hate Kurds? Huh. TIL shelling Kurds and destroying their homes under the guise of attacking ISIS/IS/Daesh does NOT constitute hating Kurds.
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:01 am

Good chunk of opposition leadership jailed.

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Postby Freefall11111 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:01 am

And so Turkey slips further and further into authoritarianism.

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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:04 am

If you attack our civilians, our police and our soldiers, our civil servants, MPs, Mayors, then it evolves into another thing, something we call ''terrorism''. Those actions will not be tolerated. Enough. Nobody should expect from us to sit around and do nothing about our national security, while other countries use less fortunate countries as their playground.


It's the Turkish governments own actions that is flaring up these violent tensions.

Why do we get criticised when the government impose state of emergency for 6 months, while France has practiced it for 1 full year?


Maybe because France didn't arrest and purge tens of thousands of people on bullshit charges?

Did you know the members of the coup used WhatsApp to communicate?


...and? How does this equate to "all social media should be censored".

The Westerners do not gather the information from various sources with various political views.


...unlike Erdogan supporters, I guess.

There are many Turkish newspapers who criticise the government


The ones that are being shutted down, you mean? What do you think of the government crackdown on Zaman or Cumhürriyet? Are these also necessary measures?

There of course will be errors, and it is totally open to criticism


"Totally open to criticism"? The Turkish state reacts like a crying baby everytime anybody dares to question or criticize them in any way. They even tried to outlaw making fun of Erdogan in other countries.

Wouldn't you detain an MP, or close down a newspaper or TV channel who spreads terrorist propaganda? They are not responsible citizens anymore. They are terrorists.


In case you didn't notice, the Turkish government itself has ties to terrorist organizations in Syria. The Turkish Secret Service has been caught red-handed trying to supply them with weapons. Are they also terrorists?
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Why are we having a new topic about something that happened 18 months ago? That's a bit like me announcing that the World Assembly Charter Working Group's repeal of GAR#2 has just been dinged by the mods!
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