Statehood or not to statehood

[Herador]

That'll just make South American's more pissed off.

¿Por qué?

Columbia, Colombia? Geddit? Some are already mad US citizens just refer to themselves as Americans.

[Anollasia]

What is DC technically anyway?

[Greed and Death]

The problem with a lot of this is that the constitution says you can not make a state in a state- a lot of ours like West Virginia, Maine, etc. were created unconstitutionally, but because there was a lot of support for it, it was considered "ok". It'd be harder to find that kind of disregard for constitutional law in the Republican Congress of today.

States can't do it unilaterally, but where does it say Congress can't allow it?

Congress can't do it either without the consent of the legislatures in question. Article 4 Section 2 Clause 1 US Constitution.

...but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Maine met this requirements. West Virginia arguably less so but since there was a civil war then ongoing it stands.

[Uxupox]

¿Por qué?

Columbia, Colombia? Geddit? Some are already mad US citizens just refer to themselves as Americans.

Georgians from Georgia ain't mad that Georgia already exist and was promptly named Georgia so why would Colombians get mad?

[Rio Cana]

I support the DC and Puerto Rican statehood movements and pretty much oppose all attempts to break up the currently existing states.

Ok with DC. PR. is a Latin American nation.

[Rio Cana]

I would be open to the statehoods of Puerto Rico and DC, for far too long they have been fucked over by their colonial status (especially Puerto Rico). I'm a little fuzzier on the other proposed states seen as they are already part of some of the 50 states.

DC should be given back to Maryland if they don't like being a federal territory. Virginia already got their part of it back.

And Puerto Rico just needs to make up their mind what they want. One big reason they're not a state is they haven't made up their minds that they want it.

Who does that benefit. Even Trump knows the answer since that was part of his message and why people voted for him.

[Uxupox]

I support the DC and Puerto Rican statehood movements and pretty much oppose all attempts to break up the currently existing states.

Ok with DC. PR. is a Latin American nation.

Be serious. Who wants independence here in Puerto Rico? The newer parties got even more votes than them in the last election.

[Rio Cana]

South Florida 51st state!

In time, South and North Florida will be part of the nation of Atlantis. Remember, rising sea levels.

But yes, new States can be formed from old States but the legislature of the old State must give permission otherwise no go.

[Rio Cana]

Well I think all US territories should just be told to decide whether they they want to be states or independent. States that want to leave should be treated similarly, stay or leave. DC, finally, needs something so we no longer have the shitty legal situation that made me leave the city in the first place

Washington DC. could follow the example of Mexico City. Mexico city proper, the once called Federal District, population is 8.4 million.

Starting 2016, On January 29, Mexico City proper ceased to be called the Federal District (Spanish: "Distrito Federal" or D.F.) and is now in transition to become the country's 32nd federal entity called officially "City of Mexico" (Spanish: "Ciudad de Mexico" or CDMX), giving it a level of autonomy comparable to that of a state. Because of a clause in the Mexican Constitution, however, as the seat of the powers of the federation, it can never become a state, lest the capital of the country be relocated elsewhere.[3] The english name "Mexico City" remains. Its original 16 "Boroughs" became "municipalities".

They can become a State but then a new Federal Capital must be assigned.

[Rio Cana]

Ok with DC. PR. is a Latin American nation.

Be serious. Who wants independence here in Puerto Rico? The newer parties got even more votes than them in the last election.

Seems someone is not looking at the fine details or hearing the experts.

The Independence party is run by people over 50 who do not really relate to younger voters. They are kind of like a club. And there candidate for governor acted arrogant. Some of there members got elected to state and town legislative seats. They got 2.11% of the vote. The Workers party is new. Its the second election they participate in a general election. Its made up of many former members of the main parties. There candidate for governor was pro-Independence. They got 0.38% of the vote. Four of there members running for town legislative seats won. Then we have the female Independent candidate. She admitted to have voted in the last status vote for Independence. She got 11.12% Heard that the other independent candidate was also leaning toward Independence. He got 5.73%. Both of these candidates had charisma unlike the first two I mentioned.

So all these candidates running for Governor in one way or another said they supported Independence adds up for 19.34%. I did not even include the pro-sovereignty/pro-Independence members of the Commonwealth party which got 38.92%. It is expected that the Mayor of the Capital City who won re-election will be the new President of the Commonwealth party. She will be tossing out the old ideas and replacing them with 21 century ideas which are more in line with being pro-sovereignty/pro-Independence.

The Statehood party got 41.76% of the vote. Which means 58.24% cannot stand them.

Edit - And everyone is waiting at there mailbox for there part of that 100 Billion US dollars the new governor of the Statehood party said would be coming. He better remind Trump about it.

[Uxupox]

Be serious. Who wants independence here in Puerto Rico? The newer parties got even more votes than them in the last election.

Seems someone is not looking at the fine details or hearing the experts.

The Independence party is run by people over 50 who do not really relate to younger voters. They are kind of like a club. And there candidate for governor acted arrogant. Some of there members got elected to state and town legislative seats. They got 2.11% of the vote. The Workers party is new. Its the second election they participate in a general election. Its made up of many former members of the main parties. There candidate for governor was pro-Independence. They got 0.38% of the vote. Four of there members running for town legislative seats won. Then we have the female Independent candidate. She admitted to have voted in the last status vote for Independence. She got 11.12% Heard that the other independent candidate was also leaning toward Independence. He got 5.73%. Both of these candidates had charisma unlike the first two I mentioned.

So all these candidates running for Governor in one way or another said they supported Independence adds up for 19.34%. I did not even include the pro-sovereignty/pro-Independence members of the Commonwealth party which got 38.92%. It is expected that the Mayor of the Capital City who won re-election will be the new President of the Commonwealth party. She will be tossing out the old ideas and replacing them with 21 century ideas which are more in line with being pro-sovereignty/pro-Independence.

The Statehood party got 41.76% of the vote. Which means 58.24% cannot stand them.

Edit - And everyone is waiting at there mailbox for there part of that 100 Billion US dollars the new governor of the Statehood party said would be coming. He better remind Trump about it.

Lugaro never commented about pro-indepndence or pro-statehood but she did campaign to end las leyes de cabotaje same as Manuel Cidre.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

I support the DC and Puerto Rican statehood movements and pretty much oppose all attempts to break up the currently existing states.

I second

[Rio Cana]

Seems someone is not looking at the fine details or hearing the experts.

The Independence party is run by people over 50 who do not really relate to younger voters. They are kind of like a club. And there candidate for governor acted arrogant. Some of there members got elected to state and town legislative seats. They got 2.11% of the vote. The Workers party is new. Its the second election they participate in a general election. Its made up of many former members of the main parties. There candidate for governor was pro-Independence. They got 0.38% of the vote. Four of there members running for town legislative seats won. Then we have the female Independent candidate. She admitted to have voted in the last status vote for Independence. She got 11.12% Heard that the other independent candidate was also leaning toward Independence. He got 5.73%. Both of these candidates had charisma unlike the first two I mentioned.

So all these candidates running for Governor in one way or another said they supported Independence adds up for 19.34%. I did not even include the pro-sovereignty/pro-Independence members of the Commonwealth party which got 38.92%. It is expected that the Mayor of the Capital City who won re-election will be the new President of the Commonwealth party. She will be tossing out the old ideas and replacing them with 21 century ideas which are more in line with being pro-sovereignty/pro-Independence.

The Statehood party got 41.76% of the vote. Which means 58.24% cannot stand them.

Edit - And everyone is waiting at there mailbox for there part of that 100 Billion US dollars the new governor of the Statehood party said would be coming. He better remind Trump about it.

Lugaro never commented about pro-indepndence or pro-statehood but she did campaign to end las leyes de cabotaje same as Manuel Cidre.

Yes she did. I have a spanish language source so go to spoiler to read it.

La aspirante a la gobernación, Alexandra Lúgaro, reveló que su estatus político de preferencia es la independencia, aunque admitió que por el momento la Isla no se encuentra estructuralmente preparada para los cambios que dicho estatus requiere.

La declaración surge a pocas horas después del debate político celebrado anoche en el estudio Luis Vigoreaux de Wapa Televisión. Esta sería la primera vez en que Lúgaro deja ver su postura oficial sobre el tema del estatus de Puerto Rico.

“Yo prefiero la independencia de mi país, creo que económicamente nos daría la mejor acción y nos permitiría continuar en alianzas con Estados Unidos para fines comerciales. No es una independencia anti americana”, explicó la aspirante en entrevista radial

Above quote from this article - http://elvocero.com/lugaro-prefiere-la-independencia/

Cidre while saying he will go with the status that wins does believe that PR. needs more control over its affairs. So he seems to lean somewhat toward Independence.

[Genivaria]

Statehood for Puerto Rico yes.

[Eol Sha]

What is DC technically anyway?

From Wikipedia:

Article One, Section Eight, of the Constitution permits the establishment of a "District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States".[6] However, the Constitution does not specify a location for the capital. In what is now known as the Compromise of 1790, Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson came to an agreement that the federal government would pay each state's remaining Revolutionary War debts in exchange for establishing the new national capital in the Southern United States.[7][a]

More from Wikipedia:

Article One, Section Eight of the United States Constitution grants the U.S. Congress "exclusive jurisdiction" over the city. The District did not have an elected local government until the passage of the 1973 Home Rule Act. The Act devolved certain Congressional powers to an elected mayor, currently Muriel Bowser, and the thirteen-member Council of the District of Columbia. However, Congress retains the right to review and overturn laws created by the council and intervene in local affairs.

Even more from Wikipedia:

The District is not a state and therefore has no voting representation in the Congress. D.C. residents elect a non-voting delegate to the House of Representatives, currently Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C. At-Large), who may sit on committees, participate in debate, and introduce legislation, but cannot vote on the House floor. The District has no official representation in the United States Senate. Neither chamber seats the District's elected "shadow" representative or senators. Unlike residents of U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico or Guam, which also have non-voting delegates, D.C. residents are subject to all federal taxes.[181] In the financial year 2012, D.C. residents and businesses paid $20.7 billion in federal taxes; more than the taxes collected from 19 states and the highest federal taxes per capita.

A 2005 poll found that 78% of Americans did not know that residents of the District of Columbia have less representation in Congress than residents of the 50 states.[183] Efforts to raise awareness about the issue have included campaigns by grassroots organizations and featuring the city's unofficial motto, "Taxation Without Representation", on D.C. vehicle license plates.[184] There is evidence of nationwide approval for D.C. voting rights; various polls indicate that 61 to 82% of Americans believe that D.C. should have voting representation in Congress.[183][185] Despite public support, attempts to grant the District voting representation, including the D.C. statehood movement and the proposed District of Columbia Voting Rights Amendment, have been unsuccessful.

Opponents of D.C. voting rights propose that the Founding Fathers never intended for District residents to have a vote in Congress since the Constitution makes clear that representation must come from the states. Those opposed to making D.C. a state claim that such a move would destroy the notion of a separate national capital and that statehood would unfairly grant Senate representation to a single city.

[Rastynhaven]

Hawaii has a secessionist movement.

If any state deserves independence, it's Hawai`i. It's been a long time coming since 1893.

[Eol Sha]

Hawaii has a secessionist movement.

If any state deserves independence, it's Hawai`i. It's been a long time coming since 1893.

They'd be fucked.

[Genivaria]

If any state deserves independence, it's Hawai`i. It's been a long time coming since 1893.

They'd be fucked.

Japanese nationalists would look on and go "the fuck you didn't even want it!"

[Kanaria]

Secessionism must be rooted out and destroyed wherever and whenever it arises.

[Genivaria]

Secessionism must be rooted out and destroyed wherever and whenever it arises.

Or we can just let them leave if they manage to get a majority (they won't) and avoid the nasty business of wars, occupations, and insurrections.
Then when they leave offer them a defense pact and trade relations....make them depend on us and they'll come crawling back to us without ever having to fire a shot.

Democracy may not be as showy as a jackboot stomping on a protesters head but it gets the job done.

[Rastynhaven]

They'd be fucked.

Japanese nationalists would look on and go "the fuck you didn't even want it!"

Fun fact: Two Japanese Imperial princes were among the marriage options for the Crown Princess Ka‘iulani.

Although I don't believe the Kingdom would have been annexed by Japan, too far compared to Korea, Formosa, and Manchuria. Puppet-state maybe, but not before the British try to make it a protectorate. The flag's Union Jack was meant to brownnose them anyway.

[Kanaria]

Secessionism must be rooted out and destroyed wherever and whenever it arises.

Or we can just let them leave if they manage to get a majority (they won't) and avoid the nasty business of wars, occupations, and insurrections.
Then when they leave offer them a defense pact and trade relations....make them depend on us and they'll come crawling back to us without ever having to fire a shot.

Democracy may not be as showy as a jackboot stomping on a protesters head but it gets the job done.

I would prefer to avoid having to violently suppress the secessionists as well, and am willing to take steps to address the concerns which inflamed the secessionist fever. I'm skeptical that an attempt to ensure economic hegemony would succeed in undoing the secession.

[Telconi]

Why should people have to put up with a state government that isn't representing their interests? Assuming there is a large enough group of them to make a reasonable sized state, that is.

As far as I'm concerned, unless the government is actively persecuting you secession of any sort is unjustifiable.

Define "persecuting"

[Eol Sha]

As far as I'm concerned, unless the government is actively persecuting you secession of any sort is unjustifiable.

Define "persecuting"

Think South Sudan and Sudan. Or the Kurds and Iraq. Or the Rohingya and Myanmar. Or the peoples of Siberia and Russia. Or the Tibetans and China.

Y'know, when the government is murdering your people, specifically restricting your group''s personal economic and political rights, jailing your political leaders, etc.

[Gyrenaica]

States I'd like to see
Virginia-Virginia +West Virginia
Carolina-north/south Carolina
Dakota-North/South Dakota
Jefferson-North Cali/Southwest Oregon
Reagan-South Cali
Lincoln-eastern Washington/Idaho panhandle