Statehood or not to statehood

[Uxupox]

Puerto Rico should be a state (or at least not in limbo), but I'd rather that it simply become the 51st state, and not have trade with one of the 'out' states.

This limbo is really destroying Puerto Rico especially the unfair laws of cabotage.

[Lady Scylla]

The problem with a lot of this is that the constitution says you can not make a state in a state- a lot of ours like West Virginia, Maine, etc. were created unconstitutionally, but because there was a lot of support for it, it was considered "ok". It'd be harder to find that kind of disregard for constitutional law in the Republican Congress of today.

Erm Texas can break up into 5 states if they desire.

[Valaran]

Puerto Rico should be a state (or at least not in limbo), but I'd rather that it simply become the 51st state, and not have trade with one of the 'out' states.

This limbo is really destroying Puerto Rico especially the unfair laws of cabotage.

Yeah. Really sucks, espcially with Congress being so reluctant to fix the problem.

[Lady Scylla]

Puerto Rico should be a state (or at least not in limbo), but I'd rather that it simply become the 51st state, and not have trade with one of the 'out' states.

IIRC, the reason they don't want it to be a state is because of its demographics and how it'd affect elections.

[Uxupox]

This limbo is really destroying Puerto Rico especially the unfair laws of cabotage.

Yeah. Really sucks, espcially with Congress being so reluctant to fix the problem.

Both the democrats and republicans have betrayed the puertorican population with their promises and bullshit.

[Valaran]

Puerto Rico should be a state (or at least not in limbo), but I'd rather that it simply become the 51st state, and not have trade with one of the 'out' states.

IIRC, the reason they don't want it to be a state is because of its demographics and how it'd affect elections.

Yeah, though its simply leading to an exodus that's ending up in FL anyhow. I kept reading articles saying how that would swing the vote there to Clinton - clearly didn't happen, but they're deluding themselves if they think that they can simply lock away that demographic issues.

Also, Puerto Rico is unlikely to really sway elections much by itself, and it really shouldn't be about that (If it was GOP I'd still happily support its entry into some form of statehood (or just anything above its present situation)

[Valaran]

Yeah. Really sucks, espcially with Congress being so reluctant to fix the problem.

Both the democrats and republicans have betrayed the puertorican population with their promises and bullshit.

I'm rather sick of the general legislative paralysis myself.

[Uxupox]

IIRC, the reason they don't want it to be a state is because of its demographics and how it'd affect elections.

Yeah, though its simply leading to an exodus that's ending up in FL anyhow. I kept reading articles saying how that would swing the vote there to Clinton - clearly didn't happen, but they're deluding themselves if they think that they can simply lock away that demographic issues.

Also, Puerto Rico is unlikely to really sway elections much by itself, and it really shouldn't be about that (If it was GOP I'd still happily support its entry into some form of statehood (or just anything above its present situation)

People is actually a very conservative nation but it is true that they would support the dems more.

[Valaran]

People is actually a very conservative nation but it is true that they would support the dems more.

Economic welfare trumps social views, I guess.

[Grand Britannia]

Isn't D.C not supposed to be in a state or a state itself by the constitution?

If the problem is representation I think there's an easier way to fix that.

When they wrote that, DC didn't have millions living in her.

It still doesn't.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Well I think all US territories should just be told to decide whether they they want to be states or independent. States that want to leave should be treated similarly, stay or leave. DC, finally, needs something so we no longer have the shitty legal situation that made me leave the city in the first place

[Internationalist Bastard]

When they wrote that, DC didn't have millions living in her.

It still doesn't.

And yet, still more then Vermont, which is a state

[Equestria and Griffon]

(Texas vs White) (States can't leave) (They can join) (t[edit]
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.)

[Grand Britannia]

It still doesn't.

And yet, still more then Vermont, which is a state

Also has the same voting power as Vermont as far as the EC is concerned.

Just let territories have representation in Congress.

[Uxupox]

And yet, still more then Vermont, which is a state

Also has the same voting power as Vermont as far as the EC is concerned.

Just let territories have representation in Congress.

We do already have representation though it's non-voting representation. I voice with no voting power I guess but that's about it.

[Grand Britannia]

Also has the same voting power as Vermont as far as the EC is concerned.

Just let territories have representation in Congress.

We do already have representation though it's non-voting representation. I voice with no voting power I guess but that's about it.

I mean full fledged representatives.

Should just grant that to territories.

[Internationalist Bastard]

We do already have representation though it's non-voting representation. I voice with no voting power I guess but that's about it.

I mean full fledged representatives.

Should just grant that to territories.

At that point make them states

[Grand Britannia]

I mean full fledged representatives.

Should just grant that to territories.

At that point make them states

They should decide whether they want to or not.

It's just unfair to have them unrepresented and without the power to actually get congress to listen to them.

[Internationalist Bastard]

At that point make them states

They should decide whether they want to or not.

It's just unfair to have them unrepresented and without the power to actually get congress to listen to them.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Every territory shoudl just officially decide if they want to be a state or independant, and leave it at that.

[Grand Britannia]

Puerto Rico should be a state (or at least not in limbo), but I'd rather that it simply become the 51st state, and not have trade with one of the 'out' states.

IIRC, the reason they don't want it to be a state is because of its demographics and how it'd affect elections.

Would be more of a slightly relevant New Hampshire in the EC than anything from what I know.

[Herador]

Please stop encouraging the Jefferson people, it only makes them more intolerable.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

When they wrote that, DC didn't have millions living in her.

It still doesn't.

It has more people then Wyoming

If Wyoming is a state then why not D.C?

[Imperial Idaho]

I think what I disagree with most about D.C statehood is the name. "New Columbia", how is it new? Where's the old Columbia?

The latter part of calling it Columbia makes sense in that it is the District of Columbia so why not have Columbia in the name, but in my region there was talk of making a state of Columbia, named after the Columbia river, and its a cool name so we want it. The hypothetical state would be the Idaho panhandle, eastern Washington, and far western Montana. The main reasons would be the economic differences (We have lumber and mines, down in Boise they have agriculture), the political divides between the two parts of Washington, and the fact that there is no state function or event in the region. At least in Idaho everything is down south, 7-9 hour drives through the mountains to get to any state held event or whatnot.

[Herador]

I think what I disagree with most about D.C statehood is the name. "New Columbia", how is it new? Where's the old Columbia?

The latter part of calling it Columbia makes sense in that it is the District of Columbia so why not have Columbia in the name, but in my region there was talk of making a state of Columbia, named after the Columbia river, and its a cool name so we want it. The hypothetical state would be the Idaho panhandle, eastern Washington, and far western Montana. The main reasons would be the economic differences (We have lumber and mines, down in Boise they have agriculture), the political divides between the two parts of Washington, and the fact that there is no state function or event in the region. At least in Idaho everything is down south, 7-9 hour drives through the mountains to get to any state held event or whatnot.

That'll just make South American's more pissed off.

[Uxupox]

I think what I disagree with most about D.C statehood is the name. "New Columbia", how is it new? Where's the old Columbia?

The latter part of calling it Columbia makes sense in that it is the District of Columbia so why not have Columbia in the name, but in my region there was talk of making a state of Columbia, named after the Columbia river, and its a cool name so we want it. The hypothetical state would be the Idaho panhandle, eastern Washington, and far western Montana. The main reasons would be the economic differences (We have lumber and mines, down in Boise they have agriculture), the political divides between the two parts of Washington, and the fact that there is no state function or event in the region. At least in Idaho everything is down south, 7-9 hour drives through the mountains to get to any state held event or whatnot.

That'll just make South American's more pissed off.

¿Por qué?