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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:42 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
USFederation wrote:States do not have option. The American Civil War proves that.

Reading comp. Should


Well Congress can allow states to leave, join, or change their borders. It is up to Congress as to what they will allow. Congress cannot change state borders without permission of the states in question, but can if the state wants.
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Postby New Catalonia » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:56 am

Novus America wrote:
Lost heros wrote:Well the constitution has a pattern of disenfranchising voters, so I shouldn't really be surprised.


Does not change the fact giving it statehood requires and Ammendment or losing capital status. Plus there are easier ways to resolve the voting issue.

Maybe it should do the Vatican option and have a very small area just as the federal capital and then the residential areas can be absorbed back into Maryland.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:03 am

New Catalonia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Does not change the fact giving it statehood requires and Ammendment or losing capital status. Plus there are easier ways to resolve the voting issue.

Maybe it should do the Vatican option and have a very small area just as the federal capital and then the residential areas can be absorbed back into Maryland.


While that could be done, neither the people of Maryland or DC want it. Better to just give D.C. its proposed constitution as its home rule charter, then give D.C. Residents voting in Maryland congressional elections. Only requires a passing a simple law, and gives DC residents most of what they want. Not all of it, but most of it.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby USFederation » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:57 am

Eol Sha wrote:
USFederation wrote:Explain? They have their own government which runs like a state. They DO pay taxes, just not the income tax. They have their own national guard.
They have a representative in Congress but can not vote.

They don't have senators. They can't vote in US elections. Their state government doesn't have the full powers that states are granted by the Constitution, as far as I understand it.

They have a representative in Congress but can not vote.

That's being treated differently. :eyebrow:

That is the exceptions though. Everyone is entitle to their opinion about it.

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Postby USFederation » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:58 am

Novus America wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Reading comp. Should


Well Congress can allow states to leave, join, or change their borders. It is up to Congress as to what they will allow. Congress cannot change state borders without permission of the states in question, but can if the state wants.

Where does it say that?

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:44 am

USFederation wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well Congress can allow states to leave, join, or change their borders. It is up to Congress as to what they will allow. Congress cannot change state borders without permission of the states in question, but can if the state wants.

Where does it say that?

It's in the constitution from my view only congress with consent from the state(s) can allow one to leave the union w/ two-thirds approval from all other states or allow the state(s) to change its borders with congressional approval.
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Postby USFederation » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:05 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
USFederation wrote:Where does it say that?

It's in the constitution from my view only congress with consent from the state(s) can allow one to leave the union w/ two-thirds approval from all other states or allow the state(s) to change its borders with congressional approval.

From my view, seccession cannot happen. It must be debatable.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:11 am

USFederation wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:It's in the constitution from my view only congress with consent from the state(s) can allow one to leave the union w/ two-thirds approval from all other states or allow the state(s) to change its borders with congressional approval.

From my view, seccession cannot happen. It must be debatable.

You didn't listen separation from the us can only happen if
1.) 2/3rds of the or the majority of other states Approve it
2.) it passes congress with unanimous approval
3.) the president signs off on it
4.) the citizens of the seceding state(s) overwhelming support it
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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