Statehood or not to statehood

[Novus America]

Hawaii has a secessionist movement.

If any state deserves independence, it's Hawai`i. It's been a long time coming since 1893.

Except the majority of people in Hawaii do not want independence. If their state government asked for it, it could be discussed but they do not want that.

[Gig em Aggies]

States I'd like to see
Virginia-Virginia +West Virginia
Carolina-north/south Carolina
Dakota-North/South Dakota
Jefferson-North Cali/Southwest Oregon
Reagan-South Cali
Lincoln-eastern Washington/Idaho panhandle

Nice list but how do these sound

Superior- Upper Peninsula of Michigan
Baja- Baja California & Baja California Sur
New Bermuda- Bahamas

[USFederation]

Puerto Rico is treated like a state in all but name. Also state can not the union.

[Novus America]

Be serious. Who wants independence here in Puerto Rico? The newer parties got even more votes than them in the last election.

Seems someone is not looking at the fine details or hearing the experts.

The Independence party is run by people over 50 who do not really relate to younger voters. They are kind of like a club. And there candidate for governor acted arrogant. Some of there members got elected to state and town legislative seats. They got 2.11% of the vote. The Workers party is new. Its the second election they participate in a general election. Its made up of many former members of the main parties. There candidate for governor was pro-Independence. They got 0.38% of the vote. Four of there members running for town legislative seats won. Then we have the female Independent candidate. She admitted to have voted in the last status vote for Independence. She got 11.12% Heard that the other independent candidate was also leaning toward Independence. He got 5.73%. Both of these candidates had charisma unlike the first two I mentioned.

So all these candidates running for Governor in one way or another said they supported Independence adds up for 19.34%. I did not even include the pro-sovereignty/pro-Independence members of the Commonwealth party which got 38.92%. It is expected that the Mayor of the Capital City who won re-election will be the new President of the Commonwealth party. She will be tossing out the old ideas and replacing them with 21 century ideas which are more in line with being pro-sovereignty/pro-Independence.

The Statehood party got 41.76% of the vote. Which means 58.24% cannot stand them.

Edit - And everyone is waiting at there mailbox for there part of that 100 Billion US dollars the new governor of the Statehood party said would be coming. He better remind Trump about it.

Just because somebody voted for someone whose views are somewhat closer to pro independence does not mean they want independence. In the last referendum only 5.5% voted for independence. If Pueto Rico wants independence they can have it. But they do not. The vast majority want to remain with the US, but cannot agree the details of what the relationship should be.

But the plurality pick the Commonwealth option. So that is what Puerto Rico will continue to have. What the people chose.

Puerto Rico is a Latin American nation, but can be and will continue to be part of the US. Until they choose otherwise.

[Eol Sha]

Puerto Rico is treated like a state in all but name. Also state can not the union.

No, it isn't treated like a state in all, but name.

[USFederation]

Well I think all US territories should just be told to decide whether they they want to be states or independent. States that want to leave should be treated similarly, stay or leave. DC, finally, needs something so we no longer have the shitty legal situation that made me leave the city in the first place

States do not have option. The American Civil War proves that.

[Novus America]

This is probably the best easiest way to deal with DC. It does not even require an ammendment.

"A related, but alternative proposal to retrocession was the District of Columbia Voting Rights Restoration Act of 2004 (H.R. 3709), which would have treated the residents of the District as residents of Maryland for the purposes of Congressional representation. Maryland's congressional delegation would then have been apportioned accordingly to include the population of the District.[24] Those in favor of such a plan argued that the Congress already has the necessary authority to pass such legislation without the constitutional concerns of other proposed remedies. From the foundation of the District in 1790 until the passage of the Organic Act of 1801, citizens living in D.C. continued to vote for members of Congress in Maryland or Virginia; legal scholars therefore propose that the Congress has the power to restore those voting rights while maintaining the integrity of the federal district.[25] The proposed legislation, however, never made it out of committee.[24]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric ... trocession

[Cymrea]

I oppose secession of any of the current states.

D.C. doesn't necessarily need to be its own state, but it does need to have proper representation as though it were.

Either statehood or independence for Puerto Rico. Let them decide, and then let it be done; end all the ass-dragging and inertia and just get it done, already.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

This is probably the best easiest way to deal with DC. It does not even require an ammendment.

"A related, but alternative proposal to retrocession was the District of Columbia Voting Rights Restoration Act of 2004 (H.R. 3709), which would have treated the residents of the District as residents of Maryland for the purposes of Congressional representation. Maryland's congressional delegation would then have been apportioned accordingly to include the population of the District.[24] Those in favor of such a plan argued that the Congress already has the necessary authority to pass such legislation without the constitutional concerns of other proposed remedies. From the foundation of the District in 1790 until the passage of the Organic Act of 1801, citizens living in D.C. continued to vote for members of Congress in Maryland or Virginia; legal scholars therefore propose that the Congress has the power to restore those voting rights while maintaining the integrity of the federal district.[25] The proposed legislation, however, never made it out of committee.[24]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric ... trocession

But what if (just for argument) Maryland voted for one party and DC another? With DC and Maryland fused, it could overpower the DC vote.

[Eol Sha]

This is probably the best easiest way to deal with DC. It does not even require an ammendment.

"A related, but alternative proposal to retrocession was the District of Columbia Voting Rights Restoration Act of 2004 (H.R. 3709), which would have treated the residents of the District as residents of Maryland for the purposes of Congressional representation. Maryland's congressional delegation would then have been apportioned accordingly to include the population of the District.[24] Those in favor of such a plan argued that the Congress already has the necessary authority to pass such legislation without the constitutional concerns of other proposed remedies. From the foundation of the District in 1790 until the passage of the Organic Act of 1801, citizens living in D.C. continued to vote for members of Congress in Maryland or Virginia; legal scholars therefore propose that the Congress has the power to restore those voting rights while maintaining the integrity of the federal district.[25] The proposed legislation, however, never made it out of committee.[24]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric ... trocession

But what if (just for argument) Maryland voted for one party and DC another? With DC and Maryland fused, it could overpower the DC vote.

It's not like congressional delegations are required to vote together or anything. If the DC representative was a Dem and the rest of Maryland's representatives were Republicans, it wouldn't matter. DC's rep could vote however they wanted.

[Novus America]

Well I think all US territories should just be told to decide whether they they want to be states or independent. States that want to leave should be treated similarly, stay or leave. DC, finally, needs something so we no longer have the shitty legal situation that made me leave the city in the first place

States do not have option. The American Civil War proves that.

They do not have a UNILATERAL option. It is quite clear a state could leave, if Congress and the state government both approve.

[USFederation]

Puerto Rico is treated like a state in all but name. Also state can not the union.

No, it isn't treated like a state in all, but name.

Explain? They have their own government which runs like a state. They DO pay taxes, just not the income tax. They have their own national guard.
They have a representative in Congress but can not vote.

[Eol Sha]

No, it isn't treated like a state in all, but name.

Explain? They have their own government which runs like a state. They DO pay taxes, just not the income tax. They have their own national guard.
They have a representative in Congress but can not vote.

They don't have senators. They can't vote in US elections. Their state government doesn't have the full powers that states are granted by the Constitution, as far as I understand it.

They have a representative in Congress but can not vote.

That's being treated differently.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

But what if (just for argument) Maryland voted for one party and DC another? With DC and Maryland fused, it could overpower the DC vote.

It's not like congressional delegations are required to vote together or anything. If the DC representative was a Dem and the rest of Maryland's representatives were Republicans, it wouldn't matter. DC's rep could vote however they wanted.

You got a point.

[Lost heros]

Goddammit we're back in the 1800s where we can't take in a state that desperately wants to Statehood because it would upset the Senate. (Yes I'm talking about D.C. Y'know, the place with a larger population than Wyoming)

[Novus America]

This is probably the best easiest way to deal with DC. It does not even require an ammendment.

"A related, but alternative proposal to retrocession was the District of Columbia Voting Rights Restoration Act of 2004 (H.R. 3709), which would have treated the residents of the District as residents of Maryland for the purposes of Congressional representation. Maryland's congressional delegation would then have been apportioned accordingly to include the population of the District.[24] Those in favor of such a plan argued that the Congress already has the necessary authority to pass such legislation without the constitutional concerns of other proposed remedies. From the foundation of the District in 1790 until the passage of the Organic Act of 1801, citizens living in D.C. continued to vote for members of Congress in Maryland or Virginia; legal scholars therefore propose that the Congress has the power to restore those voting rights while maintaining the integrity of the federal district.[25] The proposed legislation, however, never made it out of committee.[24]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric ... trocession

But what if (just for argument) Maryland voted for one party and DC another? With DC and Maryland fused, it could overpower the DC vote.

So? How is that a problem? Maryland has a Republican representative. Only one because of extreme Gerrymandering (Maryland is the most Gerrymandered http://marylandreporter.com/2012/10/03/ ... in-nation/)
but point is not everyone in a state has to or will vote for the same party. An this is not fusing D.C. and Maryland, simply allowing DC residents to vote inMarylajd congressional elections.

Also DC could be its own district anyways. Maryland districts have between around 600,00 to 700,00 people.

[New Catalonia]

If not for the crippling debt the corrupt politicians caused, then PR could be, would be and should be independent. But while it has that debt, no nation will recognize it or deal with it.

A horrible state of affairs in the modern world when sovereignty must, essentially, be bought.

[Novus America]

Goddammit we're back in the 1800s where we can't take in a state that desperately wants to Statehood because it would upset the Senate. (Yes I'm talking about D.C. Y'know, the place with a larger population than Wyoming)

Constitutionally D.C. cannot become a state without losing its status as the capital. The problems are more than just the Senate issue.

[Beillyn]

I wouldn't mind this happening. I would be interested in seeing how it would effect electoral lines and how it would effect the next election as well as taxes and tourism.

[Novus America]

If not for the crippling debt the corrupt politicians caused, then PR could be, would be and should be independent. But while it has that debt, no nation will recognize it or deal with it.

A horrible state of affairs in the modern world when sovereignty must, essentially, be bought.

Not really. A lot of independent countries have worse debt problems the Puerto Rico. Plus Puerto Rico created its own debt problem, it chose the policies that caused it. But it is less severe now, it is in the process of being worked on.

[Lost heros]

Goddammit we're back in the 1800s where we can't take in a state that desperately wants to Statehood because it would upset the Senate. (Yes I'm talking about D.C. Y'know, the place with a larger population than Wyoming)

Constitutionally D.C. cannot become a state without losing its status as the capital. The problems are more than just the Senate issue.

Well the constitution has a pattern of disenfranchising voters, so I shouldn't really be surprised.

[Novus America]

Constitutionally D.C. cannot become a state without losing its status as the capital. The problems are more than just the Senate issue.

Well the constitution has a pattern of disenfranchising voters, so I shouldn't really be surprised.

Does not change the fact giving it statehood requires and Ammendment or losing capital status. Plus there are easier ways to resolve the voting issue.

[Lost heros]

Well the constitution has a pattern of disenfranchising voters, so I shouldn't really be surprised.

Does not change the fact giving it statehood requires and Ammendment or losing capital status. Plus their are easier ways to resolve the voting issue.

Easy doesn't mean right. The citizens of DC clearly want statehood, then they should have statehood. So that the people can enjoy the same rights that other states enjoy. If it requires a constitutional amendment to allow people to have the right of statehood, so be it.

[Novus America]

Does not change the fact giving it statehood requires and Ammendment or losing capital status. Plus their are easier ways to resolve the voting issue.

Easy doesn't mean right. The citizens of DC clearly want statehood, then they should have statehood. So that the people can enjoy the same rights that other states enjoy. If it requires a constitutional amendment to allow people to have the right of statehood, so be it.

Support an ammendment if you want, it is never going to pass.
Pragmatically there is going to have to be another way.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Well I think all US territories should just be told to decide whether they they want to be states or independent. States that want to leave should be treated similarly, stay or leave. DC, finally, needs something so we no longer have the shitty legal situation that made me leave the city in the first place

States do not have option. The American Civil War proves that.

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