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Postby Settrah » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:18 am

Galloism wrote:
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Obviously they miss the irony of themselves being of cisgender privilege, and therefore by SJW logic being the oppressors themselves.



Which most RadFems are in behaviour anyway. Well, the ones in charge anyway. The rest are just hivemind.

Plus being against the individualism and autonomy that Liberal Feminism promotes, actually does make RadFems traitors to other women.


I believe I very specifically commented that's a stupid series of ideologies.


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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:23 am

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Galloism wrote:trans-exclusionary radical feminist.


What on earth is that? Are we making up things now? Because if so I am a trans-Yithian pulmonary capacitor.


The subset of feminists who think that trans-women don't count as women.
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Postby Settrah » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:53 am

I mean what's next. Ethnic minorities, homosexuals and disabled people cannot be oppressed, because they're appropriating the nature of being oppressed from women?!
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:23 pm

The Anti-Social Socialists wrote:If I may be so bold, I would suggest that a resolution to such a dilemma would simply occur through these single males utilising methods which are commonplace among homosexual (particularly male homosexual) couples, in the adoption of a child.

In my opinion, as a woman is responsible for any child she carries, in the sense that the woman is the one that carries the baby to term, at the very least, such a responsibility should never be forced upon her via surrogacy, or undesired pregnancies of any kind. It is, therefore, the right of the woman to contradict the right of the man if the matter concerns producing children, with respect to this particular issue, particularly as other avenues exist through which the single male may start a family.


Pretty sure none of the pro-surrogacy crowd is arguing that women should have it forced on them.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:23 pm

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In this case, the alternative is not having the kid in the first place. We're talking about banning people from hiring women to birth children for them, not banning people from adopting kids that are already born.


Urgh, I got confused between different discussions, sorry.


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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:28 pm

Settrah wrote:I mean what's next. Ethnic minorities, homosexuals and disabled people cannot be oppressed, because they're appropriating the nature of being oppressed from women?!


Feminist rhetoric about "objectification" is demeaning to inanimate objects like Civil War ironclads. Women have no right to appropriate our oppressed status!
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Postby The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:32 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Settrah wrote:I mean what's next. Ethnic minorities, homosexuals and disabled people cannot be oppressed, because they're appropriating the nature of being oppressed from women?!


Feminist rhetoric about "objectification" is demeaning to inanimate objects like Civil War ironclads. Women have no right to appropriate our oppressed status!

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Postby Sareva » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:51 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
In this case, the alternative is not having the kid in the first place. We're talking about banning people from hiring women to birth children for them, not banning people from adopting kids that are already born.


Exactly.
I already said that I support adoption by same-sex couples.

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This is our first site
http://sverigeskvinnolobby.se/en/projec ... otherhood/
The Swedish Women’s Lobby strongly opposes surrogacy motherhood. Our position is that surrogacy is a trade with women’s bodies and children, as well as a threat to women’s basic human rights and bodily integrity.

The Swedish Women’s Lobby is, together with several other organizations, working on the campaign “Feminist no to surrogacy“. The campaign is politically and religiously independent and takes a strong standpoint against surrogacy on feminist grounds. We support the resolution adopted by the European Parliament in April 2011, stating that surrogacy is an exploitation of the woman’s body and her reproductive organs.

The Swedish Women’s Lobby is against legalization of all forms of surrogacy motherhood. Read our policy paper on surrogacy motherhood here.

At the European Women’s Lobby’s General Assembly in 2013, the member organisations agreed to work against all forms of surrogacy motherhood.

Surrogacy is presently not legal in Sweden. However there is no legislation that regulates the trade. In February 2016, a Swedish governmental commission presented a report in which they conclude that surrogacy should not in any form be legalized in Sweden (SOU 2016:11, see page 47 for an English abstract).


We infiltrated European governments and the Council of Europe, check here, on our main site:
http://www.womenlobby.org/spip.php?page ... =surrogacy

That's wy the Council of Europe voted 83 vs 77 in our favor.

This is our Fuhrer
https://www.byline.com/project/43/article/861
And those are the minister of propaganda
https://www.byline.com/project/43/article/853
And the minister of weapons
https://www.byline.com/project/43/article/800

We are also to launch an attack against porn
http://sverigeskvinnolobby.se/en/project/porn-free/
In collaboration with the minister for concentration camps
http://www.roks.se/about-roks-1
Check here
http://www.roks.se/search/node/porn
And we also advocate apartheid:
http://www.roks.se/nyheter/2014-12-09/r ... separatism

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You're even smarter, and you got the full picture.
In fact all the organizations I just linked doesn't exist.
We're just three hackers who created all those sites, then infiltrated NS as part of our evil plan.
:rofl:

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That's... Seems like you are trying to bait a response out of people.
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Postby The Anti-Social Socialists » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:58 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
The Anti-Social Socialists wrote:If I may be so bold, I would suggest that a resolution to such a dilemma would simply occur through these single males utilising methods which are commonplace among homosexual (particularly male homosexual) couples, in the adoption of a child.

In my opinion, as a woman is responsible for any child she carries, in the sense that the woman is the one that carries the baby to term, at the very least, such a responsibility should never be forced upon her via surrogacy, or undesired pregnancies of any kind. It is, therefore, the right of the woman to contradict the right of the man if the matter concerns producing children, with respect to this particular issue, particularly as other avenues exist through which the single male may start a family.


Pretty sure none of the pro-surrogacy crowd is arguing that women should have it forced on them.

Ah, I do apologise for unintentionally conveying such a notion. I was merely voicing my opinion on the matter.
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Postby Linux and the X » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:07 am

Chessmistress wrote:Surrogacy is roughly comparable to prostitution, Kasja Ekman, a Swedish Feminist, explains it very well both in her book and in such article

Why would you use such a stigmatising term for sex workers?
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:06 am

Linux and the X wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:Surrogacy is roughly comparable to prostitution, Kasja Ekman, a Swedish Feminist, explains it very well both in her book and in such article

Why would you use such a stigmatising term for sex workers?

Because she thinks that sex work is abuse of women and should be illegal. She very much wants to strip women of their bodily autonomy and freedom to save them from the horrors of choice.
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Postby Settrah » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:10 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Linux and the X wrote:Why would you use such a stigmatising term for sex workers?

Because she thinks that sex work is abuse of women and should be illegal. She very much wants to strip women of their bodily autonomy and freedom to save them from the horrors of choice.


Radfems hate woman having personal freedom. They see it like bad faith.
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Postby Husseinarti » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:41 am

Settrah wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Because she thinks that sex work is abuse of women and should be illegal. She very much wants to strip women of their bodily autonomy and freedom to save them from the horrors of choice.


Radfems hate woman having personal freedom. They see it like bad faith.


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Postby Greater Pareidolia » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:34 am

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think that radfems are just being contrarian. They remind me of someone I know. Almost like a Brian Griffin.
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