Should single men have right to exploit women's bodies?

[USS Monitor]

I don't see how this has anything to do with exploiting one's body? No-one forces anyone to carry a child for someone else.



How is this relevant to the debate in any way? Her name is Petra De Sutter, not "Transsexual MP De Sutter".

It's because she's not a real feeeeeeeeeeeemale, just a man in women's clothing. And with women parts. And with women hormones. But she's just a trojan horse here to steal women's rights by pretending to be a woman!!11!1!!1!!!onetyone

Be careful please. I'm not sure if my sarcasm detector can handle being pushed so hard. I'm a very old ship, and some of my equipment has seen better days.

[Greater Pareidolia]

I think the title of the thread should be reconsidered. "Exploit." Is it epxloitation if the women are okay with it and get compensated for it?

[New confederate ramenia]

I think the title of the thread should be reconsidered. "Exploit." Is it epxloitation if the women are okay with it and get compensated for it?

It's not totally exploitation of the women, it's also exploiting the children of surrogacies (by bringing them into existence).

[Greater Pareidolia]

I think the title of the thread should be reconsidered. "Exploit." Is it epxloitation if the women are okay with it and get compensated for it?

It's not totally exploitation of the women, it's also exploiting the children of surrogacies (by bringing them into existence).

How is that exploitation, though? Unless you bring them into being for the express purpose of sweatshop labor or mining, I don't really see the point.

[Salandriagado]

I think the title of the thread should be reconsidered. "Exploit." Is it epxloitation if the women are okay with it and get compensated for it?

It's not totally exploitation of the women, it's also exploiting the children of surrogacies (by bringing them into existence).

Oh no, being guaranteed a loving home to be raised in? How terrible!

[The Emerald Dawn]

It's not totally exploitation of the women, it's also exploiting the children of surrogacies (by bringing them into existence).

Oh no, being guaranteed a loving home to be raised in? How terrible!

I grew up in a hovel, they should have to as well. Otherwise they won't turn out to be a good member of society like I did.

That's how it works, right? Humans are just like machines, and if they aren't produced the exact same way, they'll not turn out the exact same way.

[Holy Empire of Superior Females]

NO

[The Emerald Dawn]

NO

Riveting answer, old bean. Did you have something of substance to add to the conversation?

[Settrah]

Holy Emperor of Superior Females

Holy

Superior Females

Superior

Uh huh.

[Radikala Skold]

NO

I wholeheartly agree with you, but I think that you should argument it better.

[Imperial Union of America]

I think it is downright misogyny to think that women are so stupid and weak that they are unable to make their own decisions free of the influence of some purported 'patriarchy'. These women chose, of their own free will, to be surrogates.

That is not exploitation, that is opportunity. an opportunity a free woman should have the right to pursue.

Perhaps she is exploiting men, lesbians and gays particularly.

[Dalvius]

I think it is downright misogyny to think that women are so stupid and weak that they are unable to make their own decisions free of the influence of some purported 'patriarchy'. These women chose, of their own free will, to be surrogates.

That is not exploitation, that is opportunity. an opportunity a free woman should have the right to pursue.

Perhaps she is exploiting men, lesbians and gays particularly.

My god I actually agree with you.

But yes, for a radical feminist who wishes for female superiority, she is a little misogynistic herself.

[Gauthier]

I think it is downright misogyny to think that women are so stupid and weak that they are unable to make their own decisions free of the influence of some purported 'patriarchy'. These women chose, of their own free will, to be surrogates.

That is not exploitation, that is opportunity. an opportunity a free woman should have the right to pursue.

Perhaps she is exploiting men, lesbians and gays particularly.

My god I actually agree with you.

But yes, for a radical feminist who wishes for female superiority, she is a little misogynistic herself.

The radical feminist is simulating the male role in traditional male-female power dynamics by treating women as children who are incapable of making decisions on their own and thus must be guided by a father mother figure.

[The Emerald Dawn]

My god I actually agree with you.

But yes, for a radical feminist who wishes for female superiority, she is a little misogynistic herself.

The radical feminist is simulating the male role in traditional male-female power dynamics by treating women as children who are incapable of making decisions on their own and thus must be guided by a father mother figure.

Ayyyyyyyyyyy

[Settrah]

I think it is downright misogyny to think that women are so stupid and weak that they are unable to make their own decisions free of the influence of some purported 'patriarchy'. These women chose, of their own free will, to be surrogates.

That is not exploitation, that is opportunity. an opportunity a free woman should have the right to pursue.

Perhaps she is exploiting men, lesbians and gays particularly.

Hence why I always say that the biggest antagonism to women in the west these days is radical feminism, because it collects and groups women into these rigid groups that become convinced they have no free will and must be guided in unity.

Radfems are militantly against women having true autonomy.

[Sareva]

I think it is downright misogyny to think that women are so stupid and weak that they are unable to make their own decisions free of the influence of some purported 'patriarchy'. These women chose, of their own free will, to be surrogates.

That is not exploitation, that is opportunity. an opportunity a free woman should have the right to pursue.

Perhaps she is exploiting men, lesbians and gays particularly.

My god I actually agree with you.

But yes, for a radical feminist who wishes for female superiority, she is a little misogynistic herself.

I am just as surprised as you.

It's an actual argument that actually makes sense, isn't offensive (except to Chess), and argues the hypocrisy of RadFem's. I am glad we have come to this point. It brings tears to my eyes.

[Greater Pareidolia]

My god I actually agree with you.

But yes, for a radical feminist who wishes for female superiority, she is a little misogynistic herself.

I am just as surprised as you.

It's an actual argument that actually makes sense, isn't offensive (except to Chess), and argues the hypocrisy of RadFem's. I am glad we have come to this point. It brings tears to my eyes.

Hear hear. That radical feminists, or third-wave feminists, are hypocritical as well as bad for women, is obvious. I wouldn't go as far as Milo Yiannapolous (he called feminism "cancer" and qualify the statement by adding CURRENT to feminism) but he is on to something. It seems that what should be equality has become persecution of men.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

NO

I wholeheartly agree with you, but I think that you should argument it better.

There is no sane argument for your position.

[La Cosa Fedora]

At this point I wonder if OP is a false flag operation to make feminism look bad. Just fits too well with my preconceptions.

[Settrah]

At this point I wonder if OP is a false flag operation to make feminism look bad. Just fits too well with my preconceptions.

No, Chess is actually being serious.

[Sareva]

At this point I wonder if OP is a false flag operation to make feminism look bad. Just fits too well with my preconceptions.

No, Chess is actually being serious.

Like really serious. Beyond just edgy at this point.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I think it is downright misogyny to think that women are so stupid and weak that they are unable to make their own decisions free of the influence of some purported 'patriarchy'. These women chose, of their own free will, to be surrogates.

That is not exploitation, that is opportunity. an opportunity a free woman should have the right to pursue.

Perhaps she is exploiting men, lesbians and gays particularly.

Hence why I always say that the biggest antagonism to women in the west these days is radical feminism, because it collects and groups women into these rigid groups that become convinced they have no free will and must be guided in unity.

Radfems are militantly against women having true autonomy.

One is usually their own worst enemy.

Few just take it to this type of extreme.

[La Cosa Fedora]

At this point I wonder if OP is a false flag operation to make feminism look bad. Just fits too well with my preconceptions.

No, Chess is actually being serious.

How can we be sure of this?

[Oneracon]

While there are very important issues to consider relating to commercial surrogacy (i.e. ensuring women are not placed in a financial situation where they are de facto forced into it, etc.) it is not, in itself, exploitation.

No, Chess is actually being serious.

How can we be sure of this?

Reading the OOC section of their sig.

[Gauthier]

At this point I wonder if OP is a false flag operation to make feminism look bad. Just fits too well with my preconceptions.

Straw feminism at its finest.