Should single men have right to exploit women's bodies?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If you want my two cents on the issue, who fucking cares if a woman is a lesbian or why she's a lesbian. If a RadFem doing it to spite you guys, take that shit with pride and the knowledge that you're doing something right.

Actually, I have never questioned whether a woman is a lesbian or why she is a lesbian. I really, honestly don't care other than "good for you! I'm happy you found your sexuality!"

But, just saying, if she is doing it to make a political statement, I feel bad for her partners, because they don't deserve a person who disrespects them by making their relationship a political statement.

[White Chrobatia]

If you want my two cents on the issue, who fucking cares if a woman is a lesbian or why she's a lesbian. If a RadFem doing it to spite you guys, take that shit with pride and the knowledge that you're doing something right.

Actually, I have never questioned whether a woman is a lesbian or why she is a lesbian. I really, honestly don't care other than "good for you! I'm happy you found your sexuality!"

But, just saying, if she is doing it to make a political statement, I feel bad for her partners, because they don't deserve a person who disrespects them by making their relationship a political statement.

Exactly. If you're content in your sexuality, be content in your sexuality. We've all wondered about our own, I'm sure.

Regardless, the natural order of things will probably find those spiting Lesbians either together or alone for a long, long time.

[Sareva]

Actually, I have never questioned whether a woman is a lesbian or why she is a lesbian. I really, honestly don't care other than "good for you! I'm happy you found your sexuality!"

But, just saying, if she is doing it to make a political statement, I feel bad for her partners, because they don't deserve a person who disrespects them by making their relationship a political statement.

^This.

[Chessmistress]

I simply meant that I'm not "forcing" myself to sleep with a woman, I always have been attracted to some women, too. So sleeping with a woman is my sexuality, there's nothing strange about it for me.
If pure heterosexuality is really a thing (I'm not sure) then I don't think that political lesbianism would be possible for a purely heterosexual woman.

The claim was that you're in a lesbian relationship (despite being allegedly bi) because you dislike men, i.e. misandrism. And that, in doing so, you secretly want to be a man. You said that's not how a lesbian relationship works, so I want to see you justify what you think a lesbian relationship is.

You're still strawmanning, even if I have been very clear: I'm with my partner because I like her, I'm not "forcing" myself to like her, I always liked women.
There aren't "men" here.
By the way: I'm like you, but at the opposite end of the spectrum: 2 on the Kinsey Scale, while, according your words, you're 4 or 5.
And my sexuality isn't the argument of the thread, so end of OT.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

The claim was that you're in a lesbian relationship (despite being allegedly bi) because you dislike men, i.e. misandrism. And that, in doing so, you secretly want to be a man. You said that's not how a lesbian relationship works, so I want to see you justify what you think a lesbian relationship is.

You're still strawmanning, even if I have been very clear: I'm with my partner because I like her, I'm not "forcing" myself to like her, I always liked women.
There aren't "men" here.
By the way: I'm like you, but at the opposite end of the spectrum: 2 on the Kinsey Scale, while, according your words, you're 4 or 5.
And my sexuality isn't the argument of the thread, so end of OT.

But you love imposing restrictions on other people's sexuality and bodily autonomy.

[Fartsniffage]

You're still strawmanning, even if I have been very clear: I'm with my partner because I like her, I'm not "forcing" myself to like her, I always liked women.
There aren't "men" here.
By the way: I'm like you, but at the opposite end of the spectrum: 2 on the Kinsey Scale, while, according your words, you're 4 or 5.
And my sexuality isn't the argument of the thread, so end of OT.

But you love imposing restrictions on other people's sexuality and bodily autonomy.

But it's for your own good. *nods*

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Getting just a TOUCH close to PG-13 issues, don't you think?

I'd like to throw a wrench into these stereotypes by saying I'm on the receiving end of both.

Irrelevant, unnecessary, and still not PG-13. And just so you know, the pretty red letters mean that I'm speaking in an official capacity.

[Fartsniffage]

I'd like to throw a wrench into these stereotypes by saying I'm on the receiving end of both.

Irrelevant, unnecessary, and still not PG-13. And just so you know, the pretty red letters mean that I'm speaking in an official capacity.

Sorry Sir....

*Presents for punishment*

[Lady Scylla]

I'd like to throw a wrench into these stereotypes by saying I'm on the receiving end of both.

Irrelevant, unnecessary, and still not PG-13. And just so you know, the pretty red letters mean that I'm speaking in an official capacity.

Or you're writing with your blood. I'm on to you.

[Sareva]

The claim was that you're in a lesbian relationship (despite being allegedly bi) because you dislike men, i.e. misandrism. And that, in doing so, you secretly want to be a man. You said that's not how a lesbian relationship works, so I want to see you justify what you think a lesbian relationship is.

You're still strawmanning, even if I have been very clear: I'm with my partner because I like her, I'm not "forcing" myself to like her, I always liked women.
There aren't "men" here.
By the way: I'm like you, but at the opposite end of the spectrum: 2 on the Kinsey Scale, while, according your words, you're 4 or 5.
And my sexuality isn't the argument of the thread, so end of OT.

Let me be clear: these threads are getting ridiculous. I agree your sexuality is not the topic, but these threads where you question the choices of other women or the sexuality of men as a whole are not okay in the slightest. I have been here almost as long as you, maybe even longer, surprisingly. So, I suggest we stop circle-jerking the hell out of everybody and actually discuss a topic of importance, like the refugee crisis and how that affects women.

E: Yup, my first nation, Quavara, has been here nearly as long as yours.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Irrelevant, unnecessary, and still not PG-13. And just so you know, the pretty red letters mean that I'm speaking in an official capacity.

Or you're writing with your blood. I'm on to you.

Of course. That's to show that I'm serious. Ink and/or pixels don't carry the same dramatic impact.

[Gauthier]

"Political lesbianism"?

Apparently RadFems that take up lesbian relationships to just spite men because of Patriarchy. As a dyke, it's insulting, really.

Pulling an Anne Heche AND secretly wanting to be men it is then. *nod*

[Settrah]

I swear there was something radfem-like a while back about how homosexual males were misogynistic, simply because they they excluded women sexually and romantically, and preferred male dominated communities. Which kind of makes political lesbianism even more hilariously ironic in the whole "female superiority = but not all feminists" thing.

[Prosocial]

So what you're getting at is that you think surrogacy should be illegal.
That's insane and senseless.

[Imperializt Russia]

Time to register as a surrogate. I've got bills to pay.

This.

This brings up an interesting devilling advocacy question.

As a man, I obviously can't surrogate. As close as we get to this is probably sperm donation. I don't know if sperm donation even pays in the UK, but I bet it doesn't pay surrogacy money unless I invest in a milking parlour.

I won't even apologise for putting that image in your head.

Is it """right""" that women are able to charge at (sometimes) significant profit for surrogacy?

Or you're writing with your blood. I'm on to you.

Of course. That's to show that I'm serious. Ink and/or pixels don't carry the same dramatic impact.

"Break glass in case of need of broken glass to write in blood"?

[Tsaraine]

This.

This brings up an interesting devilling advocacy question.

As a man, I obviously can't surrogate. As close as we get to this is probably sperm donation. I don't know if sperm donation even pays in the UK, but I bet it doesn't pay surrogacy money unless I invest in a milking parlour.

I won't even apologise for putting that image in your head.

Is it """right""" that women are able to charge at (sometimes) significant profit for surrogacy?

Of course. That's to show that I'm serious. Ink and/or pixels don't carry the same dramatic impact.

"Break glass in case of need of broken glass to write in blood"?

IIRC - and I may be wrong here - sperm donors aren't paid for their sperm in the UK, and aren't allowed to be anonymous; which has led to the interesting fact that most sperm used in the UK comes from Denmark, where donors can be paid and anonymous.

I'd point out that the effort involved in jerking off versus growing a tiny human inside you is drastically different, and carries dramatically fewer risks; masturbation is unlikely to kill you.

[USS Monitor]

Irrelevant, unnecessary, and still not PG-13. And just so you know, the pretty red letters mean that I'm speaking in an official capacity.

Or you're writing with your blood. I'm on to you.

Or someone else's blood... What do you think happens to the people of a nation after it's deleted?

[USS Monitor]

This.

This brings up an interesting devilling advocacy question.

As a man, I obviously can't surrogate. As close as we get to this is probably sperm donation. I don't know if sperm donation even pays in the UK, but I bet it doesn't pay surrogacy money unless I invest in a milking parlour.

I won't even apologise for putting that image in your head.

Is it """right""" that women are able to charge at (sometimes) significant profit for surrogacy?

Surrogacy is a lot more hassle than donating sperm. Hence the higher pay.

[Imperializt Russia]

Okay, this has been badly misinterpreted.

Ignore the sperm donation bit, that's not actually relevant. The suggestion wasn't that surrogates get paid sperm rates, or sperm donors get paid surrogacy rates.

The suggestion was, is it "right" that surrogates get to charge at-profit?
My personal belief is that it is, my housemate does not, and of course we live in capitalism anyway.

[USS Monitor]

Okay, this has been badly misinterpreted.

Ignore the sperm donation bit, that's not actually relevant. The suggestion wasn't that surrogates get paid sperm rates, or sperm donors get paid surrogacy rates.

The suggestion was, is it "right" that surrogates get to charge at-profit?
My personal belief is that it is, my housemate does not, and of course we live in capitalism anyway.

I agree that it's fine. They're taking time out of their life to do something for another person's benefit, so why shouldn't they be able to earn a profit for their trouble?

[Greater Pareidolia]

Yay Patriarchy!

The patriarchy hurts everybody. Not just women.
Patriarchy isn't rule by men, it's rule by fathers.
Most men will never be fathers. They're just sons, and sons get sacrificed to keep the old man in port and cigars.

[Frenline Delpha]

Yay Patriarchy!

The patriarchy hurts everybody. Not just women.
Patriarchy isn't rule by men, it's rule by fathers.
Most men will never be fathers. They're just sons, and sons get sacrificed to keep the old man in port and cigars.

That is so confusing that it's hilarious.

[Greater Pareidolia]

Yay Patriarchy!

The patriarchy hurts everybody. Not just women.
Patriarchy isn't rule by men, it's rule by fathers.
Most men will never be fathers. They're just sons, and sons get sacrificed to keep the old man in port and cigars.

That is so confusing that it's hilarious.

Why is it confusing? I didn't accidentally use another language than English again, did I?

[Frenline Delpha]

That is so confusing that it's hilarious.

Why is it confusing? I didn't accidentally use another language than English again, did I?

No. What you wrote made so little sense that I found it hilarious.

[Greater Pareidolia]

Why is it confusing? I didn't accidentally use another language than English again, did I?

No. What you wrote made so little sense that I found it hilarious.

So...you don't understand English? Do you need some help? Because I don't understand how you can't get it unless your native language is not English.