Should single men have right to exploit women's bodies?

[Frenline Delpha]

Apparently they paid women to be surrogates so they could have children, and getting paid is oppression.

Would it be preferable to not pay them and use them as baby-rearing slaves or something?

With Chess, it's hard to say.

[Husseinarti]

Apparently they paid women to be surrogates so they could have children, and getting paid is oppression.

Would it be preferable to not pay them and use them as baby-rearing slaves or something?

Fear is freedom!
Subjugation is liberation!
Contradiction is truth!

[Gauthier]

Oh ok. And what do single men have to do with it?

If you're a cisgender man, and you're not in a relationship, you're a rapist.

Apparently.

Chessmistress radical feminism 101

Self-proclaimed political lesbian. Which means either pulling an Anne Heche, or simulating male roles in a traditional male-female power dynamics and thus really wanting to be men.

[Settrah]

If you're a cisgender man, and you're not in a relationship, you're a rapist.

Apparently.

Chessmistress radical feminism 101

Self-proclaimed political lesbian. Which means either pulling an Anne Heche, or simulating male roles in a traditional male-female power dynamics and thus really wanting to be men.

Interestingly enough, apparently men rape other men in prisons, and it's also misogyny because those same traditional male-female power dynamics mean that when men are victims of sexual assault they're really just simulating a female role. Who would have thought?

[Sareva]

Self-proclaimed political lesbian. Which means either pulling an Anne Heche, or simulating male roles in a traditional male-female power dynamics and thus really wanting to be men.

Interestingly enough, apparently men rape other men in prisons, and it's also misogyny because those same traditional male-female power dynamics mean that when men are victims of sexual assault they're really just simulating a female role. Who would have thought?

My brain hurts from the contradicting bullshit. It doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever.

[Settrah]

Interestingly enough, apparently men rape other men in prisons, and it's also misogyny because those same traditional male-female power dynamics mean that when men are victims of sexual assault they're really just simulating a female role. Who would have thought?

My brain hurts from the contradicting bullshit. It doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever.

Join the club.

[RFI]

If you're a cisgender man, and you're not in a relationship, you're a rapist.

Apparently.

Chessmistress radical feminism 101

Self-proclaimed political lesbian. Which means either pulling an Anne Heche, or simulating male roles in a traditional male-female power dynamics and thus really wanting to be men.

Clearly you have not even an hint about how it works a relationship between women.
And however lesbianism is regular sexuality when you're bisexual, it shouldn't be so hard to understand...

[Fartsniffage]

Self-proclaimed political lesbian. Which means either pulling an Anne Heche, or simulating male roles in a traditional male-female power dynamics and thus really wanting to be men.

Clearly you have not even an hint about how it works a relationship between women.
And however lesbianism is regular sexuality when you're bisexual, it shouldn't be so hard to understand...

One of them wear the strap-on and the other makes the sandwiches. It's obvious when you think about it...

[RFI]

Clearly you have not even an hint about how it works a relationship between women.
And however lesbianism is regular sexuality when you're bisexual, it shouldn't be so hard to understand...

One of them wear the strap-on and the other makes the sandwiches. It's obvious when you think about it...

"Obvious"
Again: you have not even an hint.
And I'm not going to discuss such things.
End OT.

[Lady Scylla]

Self-proclaimed political lesbian. Which means either pulling an Anne Heche, or simulating male roles in a traditional male-female power dynamics and thus really wanting to be men.

Clearly you have not even an hint about how it works a relationship between women.
And however lesbianism is regular sexuality when you're bisexual, it shouldn't be so hard to understand...

Oh, I'd love to hear this one. Do explain.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Clearly you have not even an hint about how it works a relationship between women.
And however lesbianism is regular sexuality when you're bisexual, it shouldn't be so hard to understand...

One of them wear the strap-on and the other makes the sandwiches. It's obvious when you think about it...

Getting just a TOUCH close to PG-13 issues, don't you think?

[RFI]

Clearly you have not even an hint about how it works a relationship between women.
And however lesbianism is regular sexuality when you're bisexual, it shouldn't be so hard to understand...

Oh, I'd love to hear this one. Do explain.

I simply meant that I'm not "forcing" myself to sleep with a woman, I always have been attracted to some women, too. So sleeping with a woman is my sexuality, there's nothing strange about it for me.
If pure heterosexuality is really a thing (I'm not sure) then I don't think that political lesbianism would be possible for a purely heterosexual woman.

[White Chrobatia]

Time to register as a surrogate. I've got bills to pay.

This.

[Lady Scylla]

Oh, I'd love to hear this one. Do explain.

I simply meant that I'm not "forcing" myself to sleep with a woman, I always have been attracted to some women, too. So sleeping with a woman is my sexuality, there's nothing strange about it for me.
If pure heterosexuality is really a thing (I'm not sure) then I don't think that political lesbianism would be possible for a purely heterosexual woman.

The claim was that you're in a lesbian relationship (despite being allegedly bi) because you dislike men, i.e. misandrism. And that, in doing so, you secretly want to be a man. You said that's not how a lesbian relationship works, so I want to see you justify what you think a lesbian relationship is.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I simply meant that I'm not "forcing" myself to sleep with a woman, I always have been attracted to some women, too. So sleeping with a woman is my sexuality, there's nothing strange about it for me.
If pure heterosexuality is really a thing (I'm not sure) then I don't think that political lesbianism would be possible for a purely heterosexual woman.

The claim was that you're in a lesbian relationship (despite being allegedly bi) because you dislike men, i.e. misandrism. And that, in doing so, you secretly want to be a man. You said that's not how a lesbian relationship works, so I want to see you justify what you think a lesbian relationship is.

Pretty sure you're either not going to get an answer there, or you're going to be pointed to some article which "explains her point" and leaving her wide open for criticism.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I simply meant that I'm not "forcing" myself to sleep with a woman, I always have been attracted to some women, too. So sleeping with a woman is my sexuality, there's nothing strange about it for me.
If pure heterosexuality is really a thing (I'm not sure) then I don't think that political lesbianism would be possible for a purely heterosexual woman.

The claim was that you're in a lesbian relationship (despite being allegedly bi) because you dislike men, i.e. misandrism. And that, in doing so, you secretly want to be a man. You said that's not how a lesbian relationship works, so I want to see you justify what you think a lesbian relationship is.

While her vaginal activities are just fascinating, I am still more concerned with the belief that I, being a woman, am too mentally handicapped to use me uterus without radical female supremacist approval.

[Herador]

I simply meant that I'm not "forcing" myself to sleep with a woman, I always have been attracted to some women, too. So sleeping with a woman is my sexuality, there's nothing strange about it for me.
If pure heterosexuality is really a thing (I'm not sure) then I don't think that political lesbianism would be possible for a purely heterosexual woman.

The claim was that you're in a lesbian relationship (despite being allegedly bi) because you dislike men, i.e. misandrism. And that, in doing so, you secretly want to be a man. You said that's not how a lesbian relationship works, so I want to see you justify what you think a lesbian relationship is.

I second this request for an explanation.

I doubt it will be good, but it should be funny as all fucking hell.

[Lady Scylla]

The claim was that you're in a lesbian relationship (despite being allegedly bi) because you dislike men, i.e. misandrism. And that, in doing so, you secretly want to be a man. You said that's not how a lesbian relationship works, so I want to see you justify what you think a lesbian relationship is.

Pretty sure you're either not going to get an answer there, or you're going to be pointed to some article which "explains her point" and leaving her wide open for criticism.

Then I'll do what I've always done to people who do that. If you can't tell me in your own words, then you're conceding your argument.

[Desperate Measures]

One of them wear the strap-on and the other makes the sandwiches. It's obvious when you think about it...

Getting just a TOUCH close to PG-13 issues, don't you think?

I'd like to throw a wrench into these stereotypes by saying I'm on the receiving end of both.

[Kravanica]

Oh, I'd love to hear this one. Do explain.

I simply meant that I'm not "forcing" myself to sleep with a woman, I always have been attracted to some women, too. So sleeping with a woman is my sexuality, there's nothing strange about it for me.
If pure heterosexuality is really a thing (I'm not sure) then I don't think that political lesbianism would be possible for a purely heterosexual woman.

"Political lesbianism"?

[Lady Scylla]

I simply meant that I'm not "forcing" myself to sleep with a woman, I always have been attracted to some women, too. So sleeping with a woman is my sexuality, there's nothing strange about it for me.
If pure heterosexuality is really a thing (I'm not sure) then I don't think that political lesbianism would be possible for a purely heterosexual woman.

"Political lesbianism"?

Apparently RadFems that take up lesbian relationships to just spite men because of Patriarchy. As a dyke, it's insulting, really.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

"Political lesbianism"?

Apparently RadFems that take up lesbian relationships to just spite men because of Patriarchy. As a dyke, it's insulting, really.

As a guy, I just find it silly, also it feels hypocritical and wrong.

If you like women, good, go for it and enjoy yourself. But don't do it just to spite men because men in general probably don't give that much of a shit anyways. We're busy with other things that occupy our mind rather than whether or not a woman wants to have sex with us or is in a lesbian relationship just to spite us.

It also is really shitty on your partner that you take up them just to make a political statement. You're using them, same as you cry we men use women for our pleasure. If it is wrong for us to use our partners for our pleasure, it is equally, if not more wrong, to use your partners as a political statement. If you are with someone, do it because you love them, not because you want to spite a group of people, because that's wrong towards your partner.

[Sareva]

"Political lesbianism"?

Apparently RadFems that take up lesbian relationships to just spite men because of Patriarchy. As a dyke, it's insulting, really.

It's insulting that I am grouped into something that a very small, no, extremely small portion of the male populace do in the US. I'm stuck romantically because I can't pick up hints because it's like I am talking to a crowd when I am talking to just one person. The hints fly right over my head like Chess' arguments.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Apparently RadFems that take up lesbian relationships to just spite men because of Patriarchy. As a dyke, it's insulting, really.

It's insulting that I am grouped into something that a very small, no, extremely small portion of the male populace do in the US. I'm stuck romantically because I can't pick up hints because it's like I am talking to a crowd when I am talking to just one person. The hints fly right over my head like Chess' arguments.

I stopped caring what people thought of me a long while ago.

If you are my friend, you already have a good opinion of me, and that's all the opinions I need, from my friends.

If people want to think I am the stereotypical male, that's not really my problem.

[White Chrobatia]

Apparently RadFems that take up lesbian relationships to just spite men because of Patriarchy. As a dyke, it's insulting, really.

As a guy, I just find it silly, also it feels hypocritical and wrong.

If you like women, good, go for it and enjoy yourself. But don't do it just to spite men because men in general probably don't give that much of a shit anyways. We're busy with other things that occupy our mind rather than whether or not a woman wants to have sex with us or is in a lesbian relationship just to spite us.

It also is really shitty on your partner that you take up them just to make a political statement. You're using them, same as you cry we men use women for our pleasure. If it is wrong for us to use our partners for our pleasure, it is equally, if not more wrong, to use your partners as a political statement. If you are with someone, do it because you love them, not because you want to spite a group of people, because that's wrong towards your partner.

If you want my two cents on the issue, who fucking cares if a woman is a lesbian or why she's a lesbian. If a RadFem doing it to spite you guys, take that shit with pride and the knowledge that you're doing something right.