Should single men have right to exploit women's bodies?

[Dooom35796821595]

And the problem is?

[Galloism]

And the problem is?

Women might be making choices for themselves that a radical feminist doesn't agree with.

That's terrible.

[Dooom35796821595]

And the problem is?

Women might be making choices for themselves that a radical feminist doesn't agree with.

That's terrible.

Thought it'd be something like that.

[Lady Scylla]

And the problem is?

Women might be making choices for themselves that a radical feminist doesn't agree with.

That's terrible.

Hell, if I was dating another woman and we wanted a child, we'd have to look into such a catalogue.

[Jerusal]

If the female gives permission and consent, go for it. Her body, her choice, right?

[Galloism]

If the female gives permission and consent, go for it. Her body, her choice, right?

That's not a radical feminist ideal.

[Dalvius]

If the female gives permission and consent, go for it. Her body, her choice, right?

No, her body and her choice are patriarchal inventions by male shitlords that oppress millions of women worldwide.


Apparently.

[Galloism]

Women might be making choices for themselves that a radical feminist doesn't agree with.

That's terrible.

Hell, if I was dating another woman and we wanted a child, we'd have to look into such a catalogue.

I can't think of another way to go about it, honestly.

Dating is not absolutely random - there's no reason that sperm donation/surrogacy should be forced to be.

[Lady Scylla]

Hell, if I was dating another woman and we wanted a child, we'd have to look into such a catalogue.

I can't think of another way to go about it, honestly.

Dating is not absolutely random - there's no reason that sperm donation/surrogacy should be forced to be.

Yep. I think we sufficiently killed a Chessrant in less than three pages.

[Napkiraly]

trojan horse conceived by the transexual MP De Sutter in order to grant to the men the privilege to exploit women even more!

What does this have to do with her decisions and statements? Her being Trans is not relevant unless you're trying to slur transwomen.

As for the rest, there is nothing wrong with surrogacy. It is especially helpful for gay couples or heterosexual couples where the woman is infertile and want to have kids. As long as the surrogate is consenting to being a surrogate it should be legal.

Chess thinks that transwomen are not real women.

[ChicagoBoys]

Really fail to see any issue here. If the woman consents then that is HER choice. Feminists need to stop with their anti-women crusades

[Dalvius]

I can't think of another way to go about it, honestly.

Dating is not absolutely random - there's no reason that sperm donation/surrogacy should be forced to be.

Yep. I think we sufficiently killed a Chessrant in less than three pages.

Nice.

[Galloism]

I can't think of another way to go about it, honestly.

Dating is not absolutely random - there's no reason that sperm donation/surrogacy should be forced to be.

Yep. I think we sufficiently killed a Chessrant in less than three pages.

Doubt it.

[USS Monitor]

With surrogacy women become objects enlisted in auction catalogues of brokers, catalogues on which customers can choose according to the physical and mental features of the women (including the sexual tastes and even the level of education) then such customers can set contracts that should make everybody literally cringe for the absolute loss of dignity that such contracts underlies.

Funny part is this sounds exactly like the catalogs for women in sperm banks.

You don't say...

[Ethel mermania]

DUN DUN DUNNN

And the final nail in the coffin.

http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/t ... itions/en/

It sems that the articles in the OP are about a future change to the rules, not the current ones. And if the OP is correct, I kind of agree with cm but for different reasons. I don't think the government should be encouraging single parenthood.

I think I need to order the devil a sweater.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don't see how this has anything to do with exploiting one's body? No-one forces anyone to carry a child for someone else.

transexual MP De Sutter in order to grant to the men the privilege to exploit women even more!

How is this relevant to the debate in any way? Her name is Petra De Sutter, not "Transsexual MP De Sutter".

And after reading that cute one in the OP, I have lost all respect for this thread. Another Chessmistress useless rant.

[Lady Scylla]

And the final nail in the coffin.

http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/t ... itions/en/

It sems that the articles in the OP are about a future change to the rules, not the current ones. And if the OP is correct, I kind of agree with cm but for different reasons. I don't think the government should be encouraging single parenthood.

I think I need to order the devil a sweater.

There's no mention of this change in WHO's newsfeed either, instead, their latest development is new guidelines on how NOT to get an STD.

[Vassenor]

Better, less loaded question: Does anyone have the right to exploit anyone else?

Answer is no.

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[Lady Scylla]

Yep. I think we sufficiently killed a Chessrant in less than three pages.

Doubt it.

...Stahp.

[Isetnonotekh]

I can't think of another way to go about it, honestly.

Dating is not absolutely random - there's no reason that sperm donation/surrogacy should be forced to be.

Yep. I think we sufficiently killed a Chessrant in less than three pages.

You are the hero we deserve and need.

[Ethel mermania]

It sems that the articles in the OP are about a future change to the rules, not the current ones. And if the OP is correct, I kind of agree with cm but for different reasons. I don't think the government should be encouraging single parenthood.

I think I need to order the devil a sweater.

There's no mention of this change in WHO's newsfeed either, instead, their latest development is new guidelines on how NOT to get an STD.

Really the rules changed on getting an STD? Why am I always the last to know??

On a more serious side. Then where are the Telegraph and independent getting their information from? They both put it as a future change.

For a sweater for the devil, what color should I get?

[The Grim Reaper]

Chess, would you agree that the title is not very descriptive?

The phrase "right to exploit women's bodies" is very broad, and is a very large set of actions, regardless of whether or not you believe the topic in the OP is exploitative. Many of your threads get derailed faster than usual because the topic titles are generally some variation of "Men should not exploit women", rather than a direct description of the situation at hand.

Commentary like arguing that IVF for single men is exploitation of a surrogate female is perfectly fine in the OP, but titles are generally best reserved for the actual /observation/ - for example "WHO redefining infertility to include lack of partner", and then your take on the impact on IVF laws (and feminist IVF ethics) would be perfect for starting off the OP. If you want a discussion of bodily sovereignty, then such a specific case study isn't going to be prescriptive - it'd be better to make the title reflect the case study.

[New Piscea]

The title is misleading since this isnt about exploitatation but about surrogacy , which is fine as long as consent is given and the surrogate cant choose to keep the baby

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

There's no mention of this change in WHO's newsfeed either, instead, their latest development is new guidelines on how NOT to get an STD.

Really the rules changed on getting an STD? Why am I always the last to know??

On a more serious side. Then where are the Telegraph and independent getting their information from? They both put it as a future change.

For a sweater for the devil, what color should I get?

Navy blue looks fetching on you. If you're going to be demonized, at least do so looking bitchin'.

[Drayxaso]

What does this have to do with her decisions and statements? Her being Trans is not relevant unless you're trying to slur transwomen.

As for the rest, there is nothing wrong with surrogacy. It is especially helpful for gay couples or heterosexual couples where the woman is infertile and want to have kids. As long as the surrogate is consenting to being a surrogate it should be legal.

Chess thinks that transwomen are not real women.

But... why? Just... why?