US Gen. Election Thread VI: You've Got E-Mail

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I didn't want to post in the new thread. I wanted Clinton to run away with the race so that I could sit back, crack a beer, and wallow in the misery of Trump voters when she steamrolled him on election day.

And then motherfucking Comey had to fuck things up, and now I feel compelled to pay attention again.

Right, so, what's the latest on the state of the campaign?

In a word... (STRONG LANGUAGE)

That's eight words. >_>

[Vassenor]

In a word... (STRONG LANGUAGE)

That's eight words. >_>

Curse you and your filthy logic.

[Ashmoria]

I didn't want to post in the new thread. I wanted Clinton to run away with the race so that I could sit back, crack a beer, and wallow in the misery of Trump voters when she steamrolled him on election day.

And then motherfucking Comey had to fuck things up, and now I feel compelled to pay attention again.

Right, so, what's the latest on the state of the campaign?

its OK but it might not end up the blowout it was on track to be.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Donald Trump apparently was dead set on choosing Chris Christie as his VP but he ended up picking Mike Pence instead primarily because of behind the scenes manipulation by Paul Manafort. He pretended that there were airplane problems and ensured that Mike Pence got chosen instead. Good or bad move in terms of benefiting Trump? How do you think Christie being chosen instead would've changed the campaign?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... ike-pence/

Honestly, I think Pence was the better choice.
Christie has scandals of his own to deal with, and has little appeal to the kind of social conservative, southern/prairie voter that Trump would need to have even a chance at winning. Not to mention, he too is pretty volatile and I doubt he could have been as disciplined as Pence.
Kaine likely would have had a better time getting under Christies skin during the debate.

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That's eight words. >_>

Curse you and your filthy logic.

*rabblerabblerabble*

[Ashmoria]

Donald Trump apparently was dead set on choosing Chris Christie as his VP but he ended up picking Mike Pence instead primarily because of behind the scenes manipulation by Paul Manafort. He pretended that there were airplane problems and ensured that Mike Pence got chosen instead. Good or bad move in terms of benefiting Trump? How do you think Christie being chosen instead would've changed the campaign?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... ike-pence/

Honestly, I think Pence was the better choice.
Christie has scandals of his own to deal with, and has little appeal to the kind of social conservative, southern/prairie voter that Trump would need to have even a chance at winning. Not to mention, he too is pretty volatile and I doubt he could have been as disciplined as Pence.
Kaine likely would have had a better time getting under Christies skin during the debate.

it shows what bad judgement trump has. Christie has been destroyed in the bridgegate trial with his aides testifying that he knew full well about what was going on with the bridge on those days.

[Astrolinium]

If CNN, MSNBC and the other news agencies dont harp on this something is very wrong with them. This is far more serious than stupid emails.

Presumably NYT will be publishing something soon, since they're named in the article as doing a lot of this investigating.

it is so far out of my experience that I don't know what to make of it.

i assume that trump has money ties to the bank and that the bank is smart enough to do daily checks to make sure trump is going to pay on time--unlike deutsche bank that had to sue trump just to get him to pay the interest on the huge loan they gave him.

Who sets up a whole server solely for their bank to send him notices, and then encrypts it so basically no one else can send anything to it except a few things seemingly forged to throw off the scent? And why would that Trump-side server go dark immediately after someone asks the Russian bank about communicating with Trump? The trail's too dirty for that.

[The United Territories of Providence]

What does that even mean

People from the middle class who feel disenfranchised by the government's policies.

Most of Trump's support doesn't come from the Middle Class though, that would be Hillary...

538 Did a Piece on the Myth of Trump's Working Class Voter

If you read the methodolgy of this poll, it's pretty clear that Hillary is the candidate of the Middle Class

The Middle Class have historically been a base of the Democratic Party, that didn't change this cycle. So I don't know what any of you are referring to.

[Liriena]

If CNN, MSNBC and the other news agencies dont harp on this something is very wrong with them. This is far more serious than stupid emails.

Presumably NYT will be publishing something soon, since they're named in the article as doing a lot of this investigating.

it is so far out of my experience that I don't know what to make of it.

i assume that trump has money ties to the bank and that the bank is smart enough to do daily checks to make sure trump is going to pay on time--unlike deutsche bank that had to sue trump just to get him to pay the interest on the huge loan they gave him.

Who sets up a whole server solely for their bank to send him notices, and then encrypts it so basically no one else can send anything to it except a few things seemingly forged to throw off the scent? And why would that Trump-side server go dark immediately after someone asks the Russian bank about communicating with Trump? The trail's too dirty for that.

Yeah.

Also, your spooky flag is awesome.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

If CNN, MSNBC and the other news agencies dont harp on this something is very wrong with them. This is far more serious than stupid emails.

Presumably NYT will be publishing something soon, since they're named in the article as doing a lot of this investigating.

it is so far out of my experience that I don't know what to make of it.

i assume that trump has money ties to the bank and that the bank is smart enough to do daily checks to make sure trump is going to pay on time--unlike deutsche bank that had to sue trump just to get him to pay the interest on the huge loan they gave him.

Who sets up a whole server solely for their bank to send him notices, and then encrypts it so basically no one else can send anything to it except a few things seemingly forged to throw off the scent? And why would that Trump-side server go dark immediately after someone asks the Russian bank about communicating with Trump? The trail's too dirty for that.

I hope they publish something soon, this could blow the Trump campaign to shreds.

[Astrolinium]

Presumably NYT will be publishing something soon, since they're named in the article as doing a lot of this investigating.



Who sets up a whole server solely for their bank to send him notices, and then encrypts it so basically no one else can send anything to it except a few things seemingly forged to throw off the scent? And why would that Trump-side server go dark immediately after someone asks the Russian bank about communicating with Trump? The trail's too dirty for that.

I hope they publish something soon, this could blow the Trump campaign to shreds.

I imagine now Slate's come out with it they'll want to rush something out so they can get at least some of the ad revenue off this.

[Ashmoria]

If CNN, MSNBC and the other news agencies dont harp on this something is very wrong with them. This is far more serious than stupid emails.

Presumably NYT will be publishing something soon, since they're named in the article as doing a lot of this investigating.

it is so far out of my experience that I don't know what to make of it.

i assume that trump has money ties to the bank and that the bank is smart enough to do daily checks to make sure trump is going to pay on time--unlike deutsche bank that had to sue trump just to get him to pay the interest on the huge loan they gave him.

Who sets up a whole server solely for their bank to send him notices, and then encrypts it so basically no one else can send anything to it except a few things seemingly forged to throw off the scent? And why would that Trump-side server go dark immediately after someone asks the Russian bank about communicating with Trump? The trail's too dirty for that.

did you mention the part where as soon as the author started asking the bank questions the servers were renamed and the traffic remained the same?

in any case it is too far out of my experience for me to judge it. the article suggested some "innocent" possible explanations. they didn't convince me even though i didn't really understand them.

[Gauthier]

They want Trump to win because he's a headline machine to them. At least until he starts closing down journalism outfits that don't line up with Trump State Media.

No they don't want Trump to win, they just know that going all in against Trump will not change things, the media has trapped themselves between a rock and a hard place.

The difference between Trump and Clinton is Trump has made himself immune to media attacks due to the fact that the media attacked him so much it desensitized his supporters to it.

Like how the constant attacks on Clinton over the e-mail desensitized people over it- oh wait.

[Taziristan]

Presumably NYT will be publishing something soon, since they're named in the article as doing a lot of this investigating.



Who sets up a whole server solely for their bank to send him notices, and then encrypts it so basically no one else can send anything to it except a few things seemingly forged to throw off the scent? And why would that Trump-side server go dark immediately after someone asks the Russian bank about communicating with Trump? The trail's too dirty for that.

did you mention the part where as soon as the author started asking the bank questions the servers were renamed and the traffic remained the same?

in any case it is too far out of my experience for me to judge it. the article suggested some "innocent" possible explanations. they didn't convince me even though i didn't really understand them.

After fully reading that article, I highly doubt there was anything real between them. If Putin and Trump were communicating via Alfa Bank, I think Trump would have been smart enough to establish a proxy through which to do it and would not have named it Trump-Mail. He's dumb, but he ain't that dumb.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I hope they publish something soon, this could blow the Trump campaign to shreds.

I imagine now Slate's come out with it they'll want to rush something out so they can get at least some of the ad revenue off this.

When was the Slate article published?
This, if true, is pretty explosive. I wouldnt be surprised if the Times did have it, they have dropped hints they have more dirt on Trump.

Ill have to check their website now for any hints of a similar article or idea.

[Ashmoria]

did you mention the part where as soon as the author started asking the bank questions the servers were renamed and the traffic remained the same?

in any case it is too far out of my experience for me to judge it. the article suggested some "innocent" possible explanations. they didn't convince me even though i didn't really understand them.

After fully reading that article, I highly doubt there was anything real between them. If Putin and Trump were communicating via Alfa Bank, I think Trump would have been smart enough to establish a proxy through which to do it and would not have named it Trump-Mail. He's dumb, but he ain't that dumb.

do you have a theory about what is going on? they did rename the server and the traffic did continue.

[Liriena]

Keith Olbermann's take on Comey's actions, just in case anybody is interested.

I personally find his righteous anger therapeutic.

[Ashmoria]

I imagine now Slate's come out with it they'll want to rush something out so they can get at least some of the ad revenue off this.

When was the Slate article published?
This, if true, is pretty explosive. I wouldnt be surprised if the Times did have it, they have dropped hints they have more dirt on Trump.

Ill have to check their website now for any hints of a similar article or idea.

this afternoon.

[Australian rePublic]

Anyone voting for Vermin Supreme?

[Ashmoria]

Keith Olbermann's take on Comey's actions, just in case anybody is interested.

I personally find his righteous anger therapeutic.

i have missed him so much!

too bad he is such an asshole in his real life that no one will hire him.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

When was the Slate article published?
This, if true, is pretty explosive. I wouldnt be surprised if the Times did have it, they have dropped hints they have more dirt on Trump.

Ill have to check their website now for any hints of a similar article or idea.

this afternoon.

Havent seen a hint of on on NYT website, hopefully will come out later.

[Thermodolia]

Jesus, Florida has narrows fast. It was at like a 75% chance and now only at a 59% chance for Clinton. Don't you fuck this election up again, Florida, please.

Really, I can't believe Republicans are discarding that video now and coming back.

Also, the senate has narrowed again with only a 62% chance for Democrats to take it. Missouri flipped again . I really wanted to see Missouri get a Democratic senator, because that'd be interesting. It's still close though so it could go either way, but ugh, I just want this over.

Edit: I was trying not to look at 538 because I knew it'd make me feel iffy about the election. Yup, it did.

Remember though, the Democrats posted strong numbers in Florida during early voting, and it has a high hispanic population. It isnt a lost cause yet.

I am more worried about lessened enthusiasm among African-American voters, who formed a key part of the Obama coalition.

I wouldn't worry about that. As a resident of Georgia just about everyone pretty enthusiastic about voting this year.

[Astrolinium]

Remember though, the Democrats posted strong numbers in Florida during early voting, and it has a high hispanic population. It isnt a lost cause yet.

I am more worried about lessened enthusiasm among African-American voters, who formed a key part of the Obama coalition.

I wouldn't worry about that. As a resident of Georgia just about everyone pretty enthusiastic about voting this year.

I just did tabling earlier today here on campus in NC and I was blown away by the number of people who said they'd already early voted, at least some of whom probably weren't lying to get me to stop bothering them.

[Thermodolia]

I didn't want to post in the new thread. I wanted Clinton to run away with the race, so that I could sit back, crack a beer, and wallow in the misery of Trump voters when she steamrolled him on election day.

And then motherfucking Comey had to fuck things up, and now I feel compelled to pay attention again.

Right, so, what's the latest on the state of the campaign?

It's been tightening for a while, but so far it seems that Comey's actions haven't had much of an impact in terms of Clinton and Trump's chances.

I'd say that they will hurt Trump more than Clinton. Her support might grow especially among minority voters, who will view the FBI as police overreach and feel sympathy for Clinton.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I wouldn't worry about that. As a resident of Georgia just about everyone pretty enthusiastic about voting this year.

I just did tabling earlier today here on campus in NC and I was blown away by the number of people who said they'd already early voted, at least some of whom probably weren't lying to get me to stop bothering them.

A LOT of people are early voting because they know about the issues in the General Election that's been going on the last couple of years with voting everyone at once during Election Day.