US Gen. Election Thread VI: You've Got E-Mail

[Valaran]

I tried to explain to him, he refused to accept it.

Also, they have new polls out from Remington Research that show Trump either leading or closing the gap. Now, if I remember, isn't that polling agency one that leans Republican?

Sadly, I can't say that I am surprised.

From what I know, yes (in the sense that their polls favour Trump more than most), though their trends might still be of use.

[Novus America]

Trump is so far behind even winning Florida will not save him.

The Senate is crazy unpredictable. The Red/Blue thing does not work as many "red states" have democratic senators and "blue states" republican ones. People do fairly often vote split ticket and plus you have Johnson and that Utah guy in the mix this time. Voters for them could very likely vote against Trump but for Senate republicans.

Can confirm I did this.

Illinois and West Virginia for example. Also it is only logical that many McMullin and Johnson voters will vote Republican in the Senate. Especially as McMullin is a conservative. Trump may very well lose Utah, but Mike Lee is going to win in a landslide.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/4519840-155/ ... utah-where
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... tml?pg=all

Trump is only polling at 32% in Utah vs. 30% for McMullin. Yet Mike Lee is polling at 60%.

[Everhall]

How long did that last thread last?! My god.

[The Lone Alliance]

CNN is disgracing itself this election.

The media as a whole has failed.

Duh

In their pursuit of ratings they've gone back to the days of yellow journalism.

They've been like that for years...

They replay Trump's bullshit without fact-checking it. When he says something blatantly false, they don't point out that it's blatantly false.

Yes they do, hell I remember some of them
Trump makes a claim CNN opens a article with
"Trump says X is true"(X isn't True)
You know what happens?
You know what happens?
Nothing that's what.

Trump supporters don't magically start supporting Hillary just because the media says "TRUMP LIED ABOUT SOMETHING AGAIN!"

You have this delusional belief that fact checkers and the media have power in this election, they don't anymore. Facts have no meaning in this election.

When Trump doesn't answer a question during an interview, the interviewer lets him get away with it.

So Trump simply should answer all questions he doesn't like with 'I don't recall' like Hillary does instead?
And you seem to think that an interview means that Trump is under oath or something. People have asked Trump tough questions in interviews, Trump stood up and walked out of an interview because of it.

His fans didn't care.

They have abandoned their duty as the Fourth Estate.

They haven't held that Duty since the Bush Administration.

The Press hasn't been about stating the fact sin ages.

They want Trump to win because he's a headline machine to them. At least until he starts closing down journalism outfits that don't line up with Trump State Media.

No they don't want Trump to win, they just know that going all in against Trump will not change things, the media has trapped themselves between a rock and a hard place.

The difference between Trump and Clinton is Trump has made himself immune to media attacks due to the fact that the media attacked him so much it desensitized his supporters to it.

[Europe and Oceania]

Welp I cast in my vote for Hilary Clinton today.

[Hittanryan]

The media as a whole has failed.

Duh

In their pursuit of ratings they've gone back to the days of yellow journalism.

They've been like that for years...

They replay Trump's bullshit without fact-checking it. When he says something blatantly false, they don't point out that it's blatantly false.

Yes they do, hell I remember some of them
Trump makes a claim CNN opens a article with
"Trump says X is true"(X isn't True)
You know what happens?
You know what happens?
Nothing that's what.

Trump supporters don't magically start supporting Hillary just because the media says "TRUMP LIED ABOUT SOMETHING AGAIN!"

You have this delusional belief that fact checkers and the media have power in this election, they don't anymore. Facts have no meaning in this election.

When Trump doesn't answer a question during an interview, the interviewer lets him get away with it.

So Trump simply should answer all questions he doesn't like with 'I don't recall' like Hillary does instead?
And you seem to think that an interview means that Trump is under oath or something. People have asked Trump tough questions in interviews, Trump stood up and walked out of an interview because of it.

His fans didn't care.

They have abandoned their duty as the Fourth Estate.

They haven't held that Duty since the Bush Administration.

The Press hasn't been about stating the fact sin ages.

They want Trump to win because he's a headline machine to them. At least until he starts closing down journalism outfits that don't line up with Trump State Media.

No they don't want Trump to win, they just know that going all in against Trump will not change things, the media has trapped themselves between a rock and a hard place.

The difference between Trump and Clinton is Trump has made himself immune to media attacks due to the fact that the media attacked him so much it desensitized his supporters to it.

So what's your point? That we need to accept a completely ignorant electorate? That facts and policy have no place in the modern US political discourse?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Jesus, Florida has narrows fast. It was at like a 75% chance and now only at a 59% chance for Clinton. Don't you fuck this election up again, Florida, please.

Really, I can't believe Republicans are discarding that video now and coming back.

Also, the senate has narrowed again with only a 62% chance for Democrats to take it. Missouri flipped again . I really wanted to see Missouri get a Democratic senator, because that'd be interesting. It's still close though so it could go either way, but ugh, I just want this over.

Edit: I was trying not to look at 538 because I knew it'd make me feel iffy about the election. Yup, it did.

Remember though, the Democrats posted strong numbers in Florida during early voting, and it has a high hispanic population. It isnt a lost cause yet.

I am more worried about lessened enthusiasm among African-American voters, who formed a key part of the Obama coalition.

[San Lumen]

Jesus, Florida has narrows fast. It was at like a 75% chance and now only at a 59% chance for Clinton. Don't you fuck this election up again, Florida, please.

Really, I can't believe Republicans are discarding that video now and coming back.

Also, the senate has narrowed again with only a 62% chance for Democrats to take it. Missouri flipped again . I really wanted to see Missouri get a Democratic senator, because that'd be interesting. It's still close though so it could go either way, but ugh, I just want this over.

Edit: I was trying not to look at 538 because I knew it'd make me feel iffy about the election. Yup, it did.

Remember though, the Democrats posted strong numbers in Florida during early voting, and it has a high hispanic population. It isnt a lost cause yet.

I am more worried about lessened enthusiasm among African-American voters, who formed a key part of the Obama coalition.

There really is no evidence of lessened enthusiasm among African Americans. Frankly i wonder why the media won't discuss Trumps pending case for alleged rape and allegations of sex trafficking by Trumps modeling agency. Total crickets. And they the fact that the FBI created a nonsense scandal about stupid emails days before an election but won't talk about supposed explosive ties to Russia by the other candidate as Senator Harry Reid suggested. They keep talking about stupid emails.

[Yorkers]

To answer the poll: Middle America.

[The United Territories of Providence]

To answer the poll: Middle America.

What does that even mean

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Remember though, the Democrats posted strong numbers in Florida during early voting, and it has a high hispanic population. It isnt a lost cause yet.

I am more worried about lessened enthusiasm among African-American voters, who formed a key part of the Obama coalition.

There really is no evidence of lessened enthusiasm among African Americans. Frankly i wonder why the media won't discuss Trumps pending case for alleged rape and allegations of sex trafficking by Trumps modeling agency. Total crickets. And they the fact that the FBI created a nonsense scandal about stupid emails days before an election but won't talk about supposed explosive ties to Russia by the other candidate as Senator Harry Reid suggested. No all they want to talk about is stupid emails.

I agree, this election has been a pretty scathing indictment of the American media.

On the other hand, early voting in largely African-American counties are down, according to FiveThirtyEight, which likely signals lessened enthusiasm on that end. To be fair, African-American turnout could be different on election day.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cli ... t-is-down/

The Clinton coalition right now looks, as noted in this article, to be comprised of mainly college educated whites, Hispanics, and, generally, women.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

To answer the poll: Middle America.

What does that even mean

People from the middle class who feel disenfranchised by the government's policies.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Does anyone now think, Bernie Sanders now regrets calling the system rigged the entire primary system? Seeing how, now it's apart of the common political verbiage and has been adopted by Donald Trump to talk about every institution. I don't think Trump would've used that phrasing, and he's using it rather effectively, if Bernie hadn't been questioning the integrity of our institutions in the same way. Of course, it was in a different context and Bernie was right 9/10 times...but seeing how Donald has been able to twist the phrase to convince 30% of the electorate that our democracy is a lie...that's a not so good, no?

I wish he hadn't used that phrasing in hindsight. Donald was always going to question the outcome, but now we've been desensitized to it because we heard it from 2015 up until July.

[Astrolinium]

what do y'all make of this

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ussia.html

its a story about professionals looking to see if trump's computers were being hacked by Russia and discovering instead that the trump computers were willingly talking to Russian computers.

Holy shit, that's insane.

The researchers quickly dismissed their initial fear that the logs represented a malware attack. The communication wasn’t the work of bots. The irregular pattern of server lookups actually resembled the pattern of human conversation—conversations that began during office hours in New York and continued during office hours in Moscow. It dawned on the researchers that this wasn’t an attack, but a sustained relationship between a server registered to the Trump Organization and two servers registered to an entity called Alfa Bank.

...

When the researchers pinged the server, they received error messages. They concluded that the server was set to accept only incoming communication from a very small handful of IP addresses. A small portion of the logs showed communication with a server belonging to Michigan-based Spectrum Health. (The company said in a statement: “Spectrum Health does not have a relationship with Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. We have concluded a rigorous investigation with both our internal IT security specialists and expert cyber security firms. Our experts have conducted a detailed analysis of the alleged internet traffic and did not find any evidence that it included any actual communications (no emails, chat, text, etc.) between Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. While we did find a small number of incoming spam marketing emails, they originated from a digital marketing company, Cendyn, advertising Trump Hotels.”)

Spectrum accounted for a relatively trivial portion of the traffic. Eighty-seven percent of the DNS lookups involved the two Alfa Bank servers. “It’s pretty clear that it’s not an open mail server,” Camp told me. “These organizations are communicating in a way designed to block other people out.”

And here's the smoking gun:

One of them posted a link to the logs in a Reddit thread. Around the same time, the New York Times’ Eric Lichtblau and Steven Lee Myers began chasing the story.* (They are still pursuing it.) Lichtblau met with a Washington representative of Alfa Bank on Sept. 21, and the bank denied having any connection to Trump. (Lichtblau told me that Times policy prevents him from commenting on his reporting.)

The Times hadn’t yet been in touch with the Trump campaign—Lichtblau spoke with the campaign a week later—but shortly after it reached out to Alfa, the Trump domain name in question seemed to suddenly stop working. When the scientists looked up the host, the DNS server returned a fail message, evidence that it no longer functioned.

Holy shit, you guys.

[Ashmoria]

There really is no evidence of lessened enthusiasm among African Americans. Frankly i wonder why the media won't discuss Trumps pending case for alleged rape and allegations of sex trafficking by Trumps modeling agency. Total crickets. And they the fact that the FBI created a nonsense scandal about stupid emails days before an election but won't talk about supposed explosive ties to Russia by the other candidate as Senator Harry Reid suggested. No all they want to talk about is stupid emails.

I agree, this election has been a pretty scathing indictment of the American media.

On the other hand, early voting in largely African-American counties are down, according to FiveThirtyEight, which likely signals lessened enthusiasm on that end. To be fair, African-American turnout could be different on election day.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cli ... t-is-down/

The Clinton coalition right now looks, as noted in this article, to be comprised of mainly college educated whites, Hispanics, and, generally, women.

did that lower African American turnout take voter suppression into account? many states have limited early voting and early voting sites making it only expected that turnout should be down.

[San Lumen]

what do y'all make of this

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ussia.html

its a story about professionals looking to see if trump's computers were being hacked by Russia and discovering instead that the trump computers were willingly talking to Russian computers.

Holy shit, that's insane.

The researchers quickly dismissed their initial fear that the logs represented a malware attack. The communication wasn’t the work of bots. The irregular pattern of server lookups actually resembled the pattern of human conversation—conversations that began during office hours in New York and continued during office hours in Moscow. It dawned on the researchers that this wasn’t an attack, but a sustained relationship between a server registered to the Trump Organization and two servers registered to an entity called Alfa Bank.

...

When the researchers pinged the server, they received error messages. They concluded that the server was set to accept only incoming communication from a very small handful of IP addresses. A small portion of the logs showed communication with a server belonging to Michigan-based Spectrum Health. (The company said in a statement: “Spectrum Health does not have a relationship with Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. We have concluded a rigorous investigation with both our internal IT security specialists and expert cyber security firms. Our experts have conducted a detailed analysis of the alleged internet traffic and did not find any evidence that it included any actual communications (no emails, chat, text, etc.) between Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. While we did find a small number of incoming spam marketing emails, they originated from a digital marketing company, Cendyn, advertising Trump Hotels.”)

Spectrum accounted for a relatively trivial portion of the traffic. Eighty-seven percent of the DNS lookups involved the two Alfa Bank servers. “It’s pretty clear that it’s not an open mail server,” Camp told me. “These organizations are communicating in a way designed to block other people out.”

And here's the smoking gun:

One of them posted a link to the logs in a Reddit thread. Around the same time, the New York Times’ Eric Lichtblau and Steven Lee Myers began chasing the story.* (They are still pursuing it.) Lichtblau met with a Washington representative of Alfa Bank on Sept. 21, and the bank denied having any connection to Trump. (Lichtblau told me that Times policy prevents him from commenting on his reporting.)

The Times hadn’t yet been in touch with the Trump campaign—Lichtblau spoke with the campaign a week later—but shortly after it reached out to Alfa, the Trump domain name in question seemed to suddenly stop working. When the scientists looked up the host, the DNS server returned a fail message, evidence that it no longer functioned.

Holy shit, you guys.

If CNN, MSNBC and the other news agencies dont harp on this something is very wrong with them. This is far more serious than stupid emails.

[Camicon]

I didn't want to post in the new thread. I wanted Clinton to run away with the race so that I could sit back, crack a beer, and wallow in the misery of Trump voters when she steamrolled him on election day.

And then motherfucking Comey had to fuck things up, and now I feel compelled to pay attention again.

Right, so, what's the latest on the state of the campaign?

[San Lumen]

I agree, this election has been a pretty scathing indictment of the American media.

On the other hand, early voting in largely African-American counties are down, according to FiveThirtyEight, which likely signals lessened enthusiasm on that end. To be fair, African-American turnout could be different on election day.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cli ... t-is-down/

The Clinton coalition right now looks, as noted in this article, to be comprised of mainly college educated whites, Hispanics, and, generally, women.

did that lower African American turnout take voter suppression into account? many states have limited early voting and early voting sites making it only expected that turnout should be down.

I suspect they will be out in force Election Day though I haven't seen much evidence its down.

[Liriena]

FBI’s James Comey Opposed Naming Russia As An Election Meddler, Source Confirms

And the best part:

FBI Director James Comey privately argued against having his bureau sign onto a statement saying the Russian government was meddling in the U.S. election, CNBC first reported on Monday, citing “a former FBI official.”

A source familiar with the interagency discussions confirms to The Huffington Post that Comey declined to do so because, specifically, he was concerned the statement was coming too close to the election.

Can a brother get a "LOCK HIM UP"?

Also, this.

[Saiwania]

Donald Trump apparently was dead set on choosing Chris Christie as his VP but he ended up picking Mike Pence instead primarily because of behind the scenes manipulation by Paul Manafort. He pretended that there were airplane problems and ensured that Mike Pence got chosen instead. Good or bad move in terms of benefiting Trump? How do you think Christie being chosen instead would've changed the campaign?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... ike-pence/

[Ashmoria]

Does anyone now think, Bernie Sanders now regrets calling the system rigged the entire primary system? Seeing how, now it's apart of the common political verbiage and has been adopted by Donald Trump to talk about every institution. I don't think Trump would've used that phrasing, and he's using it rather effectively, if Bernie hadn't been questioning the integrity of our institutions in the same way. Of course, it was in a different context and Bernie was right 9/10 times...but seeing how Donald has been able to twist the phrase to convince 30% of the electorate that our democracy is a lie...that's a not so good, no?

I wish he hadn't used that phrasing in hindsight. Donald was always going to question the outcome, but now we've been desensitized to it because we heard it from 2015 up until July.

I cant fault sanders for this. it is impossible to run your own campaign and predict what might be used against your party's nominee if you don't win. he did his best to run a good campaign and he should be proud of it.

[San Lumen]

FBI’s James Comey Opposed Naming Russia As An Election Meddler, Source Confirms

And the best part:

FBI Director James Comey privately argued against having his bureau sign onto a statement saying the Russian government was meddling in the U.S. election, CNBC first reported on Monday, citing “a former FBI official.”

A source familiar with the interagency discussions confirms to The Huffington Post that Comey declined to do so because, specifically, he was concerned the statement was coming too close to the election.

Can a brother get a "LOCK HIM UP"?

Also, this.

This is what the media should be talking about. not whats potentially in emails we know nothin about. I could care less about Clintons emails.

[Liriena]

I didn't want to post in the new thread. I wanted Clinton to run away with the race, so that I could sit back, crack a beer, and wallow in the misery of Trump voters when she steamrolled him on election day.

And then motherfucking Comey had to fuck things up, and now I feel compelled to pay attention again.

Right, so, what's the latest on the state of the campaign?

It's been tightening for a while, but so far it seems that Comey's actions haven't had much of an impact in terms of Clinton and Trump's chances.

[Vassenor]

I didn't want to post in the new thread. I wanted Clinton to run away with the race so that I could sit back, crack a beer, and wallow in the misery of Trump voters when she steamrolled him on election day.

And then motherfucking Comey had to fuck things up, and now I feel compelled to pay attention again.

Right, so, what's the latest on the state of the campaign?

In a word... (STRONG LANGUAGE)

[Ashmoria]

what do y'all make of this

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ussia.html

its a story about professionals looking to see if trump's computers were being hacked by Russia and discovering instead that the trump computers were willingly talking to Russian computers.

Holy shit, that's insane.

The researchers quickly dismissed their initial fear that the logs represented a malware attack. The communication wasn’t the work of bots. The irregular pattern of server lookups actually resembled the pattern of human conversation—conversations that began during office hours in New York and continued during office hours in Moscow. It dawned on the researchers that this wasn’t an attack, but a sustained relationship between a server registered to the Trump Organization and two servers registered to an entity called Alfa Bank.

...

When the researchers pinged the server, they received error messages. They concluded that the server was set to accept only incoming communication from a very small handful of IP addresses. A small portion of the logs showed communication with a server belonging to Michigan-based Spectrum Health. (The company said in a statement: “Spectrum Health does not have a relationship with Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. We have concluded a rigorous investigation with both our internal IT security specialists and expert cyber security firms. Our experts have conducted a detailed analysis of the alleged internet traffic and did not find any evidence that it included any actual communications (no emails, chat, text, etc.) between Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. While we did find a small number of incoming spam marketing emails, they originated from a digital marketing company, Cendyn, advertising Trump Hotels.”)

Spectrum accounted for a relatively trivial portion of the traffic. Eighty-seven percent of the DNS lookups involved the two Alfa Bank servers. “It’s pretty clear that it’s not an open mail server,” Camp told me. “These organizations are communicating in a way designed to block other people out.”

And here's the smoking gun:

One of them posted a link to the logs in a Reddit thread. Around the same time, the New York Times’ Eric Lichtblau and Steven Lee Myers began chasing the story.* (They are still pursuing it.) Lichtblau met with a Washington representative of Alfa Bank on Sept. 21, and the bank denied having any connection to Trump. (Lichtblau told me that Times policy prevents him from commenting on his reporting.)

The Times hadn’t yet been in touch with the Trump campaign—Lichtblau spoke with the campaign a week later—but shortly after it reached out to Alfa, the Trump domain name in question seemed to suddenly stop working. When the scientists looked up the host, the DNS server returned a fail message, evidence that it no longer functioned.

Holy shit, you guys.

it is so far out of my experience that I don't know what to make of it.

i assume that trump has money ties to the bank and that the bank is smart enough to do daily checks to make sure trump is going to pay on time--unlike deutsche bank that had to sue trump just to get him to pay the interest on the huge loan they gave him.