Adolf Hitler's house to be torn down

[Libertas Regionem]

It was the home of Adolf Hitler.
It might just be my opinion, or a fact to some, but I believe that's any place an important figure lived is historically important.

I meant the impact of "Demolishing History".

That was a bad choice of words and quite an exaggeration on my part.

[Dalvius]

Your....arguement was to tear it down because you would like to see Neo-Nazis cry, as the taste of their tears are delicious to you (but are they nutritious?). I get that you are joking if that is your arguement. Regardless, I answered you seriously.

I'm Dalvius now?

..so that's why i'm blacking out a lot. Huh

Woah woah woah, slow down there.

[Libertas Regionem]

I sympathize with nothing in National Socialism nor anything that Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich did, but this is simply demolishing history, and no matter how horrible it is, is a bad idea.

With this low a standard for "history" maybe we should never demolish anything ever.

Well considering that 7.5 billion people aren't going to be world leaders, I'm good.

[Uiiop]

I meant the impact of "Demolishing History".

That was a bad choice of words and quite an exaggeration on my part.

I mean i would be wary of it if the place was actual WWII era but this is just the birthplace. Does it really have to carry all the things the person who was born under was especially when there are other places like that.

[Alaizia]

You shouldn't though. It's history, good or bad doesn't matter. Because, if that was the case, many royal estates of the European nobility through the centuries should be teared down as well for example.

There is a difference between estates hundreds of years old and a house made famous by one man.
The former is history, the latter is eerily similar to a cult of personality.

You have a point there, we do not disagree. However, shouldn't the deeds of that person in the overall scope of things be taken into account? Most people in Western societies are unfamiliar with Elisabeth Bathory or Leopold II of Belgium for instance, but they all know about Mr Hitler.

[Ifreann]

And yet noone has provided evidence of the impact it might have had.
Can you please provide it for us?

It was the home of Adolf Hitler.
It might just be my opinion, or a fact to some, but I believe that's any place an important figure lived is historically important.

If we take that attitude then we're quickly going to run out of places for people today to live, because everything will be a museum to someone historically important.

[The Texan Union]

I'd tear it down.

You shouldn't though. It's history, good or bad doesn't matter. Because, if that was the case, many royal estates of the European nobility through the centuries should be teared down as well for example.

But it's neither good nor bad.

It's just his house. I'd say turn it into a museum of sorts, but there's not much of that that hasn't already been done in Austria. There's just no point in keeping it around, honestly.

[Libertas Regionem]

It was the home of Adolf Hitler.
It might just be my opinion, or a fact to some, but I believe that's any place an important figure lived is historically important.

If we take that attitude then we're quickly going to run out of places for people today to live, because everything will be a museum to someone historically important.

Yes, I've already been told that.

[Conscentia]

People complaining about the destruction of a place with historical value... what historical value? It's literally just a house.

[Uiiop]

I'm Dalvius now?

..so that's why i'm blacking out a lot. Huh

Woah woah woah, slow down there.

You mixed the people who argued with you up. Shit like this happens to everyone i guess. It's fine if you want to take some time to resolve or ask me. Not like i don't have a lot of freetime anyways.

[Libertas Regionem]

That was a bad choice of words and quite an exaggeration on my part.

I mean i would be wary of it if the place was actual WWII era but this is just the birthplace. Does it really have to carry all the things the person who was born under was especially when they are other places like that.

I see your point.

[Genivaria]

There is a difference between estates hundreds of years old and a house made famous by one man.
The former is history, the latter is eerily similar to a cult of personality.

You have a point there, we do not disagree. However, shouldn't the deeds of that person in the overall scope of things be taken into account? Most people in Western societies are unfamiliar with Elisabeth Bathory or Leopold II of Belgium for instance, but they all know about Mr Hitler.

I think the camps, the trains, the museums, and 60 million deaths are enough of a legacy.
France will not forget it's occupation nor will Poland, the British will not forget the Blitz, the Russians will not forget the millions of civilians slaughtered, Israel will most certainly not forget the Holocaust, and Germany will never be allowed to forget what their previous government did to the world.

We do not need to add anything more to this monster's legacy.

[Uiiop]

People complaining about the destruction of a place with historical value... what historical value? It's literally just a house.

Apparently the argument is that a birthplace must metaphorically hold all the actions/life of the people born in it. Hence it's the most value. Or something.

[Alaizia]

I'm Dalvius now?

..so that's why i'm blacking out a lot. Huh
Seriously man read what i said by itself and not assume i have the same reasons as some other guy.

Sorry man I'm just multitasking in the Internet at this point.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Woah woah woah, slow down there.

You mixed the people who argued with up. Shit like this happens to everyone i guess. It's fine if you want to take some time to resolve or ask me. Not like i don't have a lot of freetime anyways.

now you're arguing with yourself, Uiiop-Dalvius
I know you're not the same person

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I'm Dalvius now?

..so that's why i'm blacking out a lot. Huh
Seriously man read what i said by itself and not assume i have the same reasons as some other guy.

Sorry man I'm just multitasking in the Internet at this point.

I know that feel, mate.

[Alaizia]

You shouldn't though. It's history, good or bad doesn't matter. Because, if that was the case, many royal estates of the European nobility through the centuries should be teared down as well for example.

But it's neither good nor bad.

It's just his house. I'd say turn it into a museum of sorts, but there's not much of that that hasn't already been done in Austria. There's just no point in keeping it around, honestly.

A museum would just be fine.

[Ifreann]

With this low a standard for "history" maybe we should never demolish anything ever.

Well considering that 7.5 billion people aren't going to be world leaders, I'm good.

Hundreds of people are world leaders now. Within a few years there'll be hundreds more. And more and more and more. And how many of them lived in different places in their lives? How many maternity wards do we convert to museums because a president or prime minister or king was born there?

[Alaizia]

Sorry man I'm just multitasking in the Internet at this point.

I know that feel, mate.

I have around ten tabs opened right now doing various things.

[Dagnia]

What happened to "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it"?

I don't think WW2 is something we're going to forget for at least a good 500 years.

It will be a part of the history books at least until something happens resulting in the downfall of civilization. But I think within our lifetimes, we will see it viewed with every bit as much relevance as the Thirty Years war is to us now. With people being born who may never actually get to know a WWII vet or Holocaust survivor (and after them, a generation that will be born in a world where not a single one exists any more) it will be something that is all words on paper and some old films. It already is to some people, even in countries that had a big hand in it. Destroying the artifacts and places from that era will probably only make it worse.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I know that feel, mate.

I have around ten tabs opened right now doing various things.

*looks at own tabs*
I have 8! Hopefully you can manage it.

[Alaizia]

I have around ten tabs opened right now doing various things.

*looks at own tabs*
I have 8! Hopefully you can manage it.

[Baltenstein]

Well, hopefully they'll keep the memorial stone around. Then again, looking at Austria's current party polls...

[Comte Bourgogne]

Interesting! I have relatives in the Communist Party of Austria. Probably I should tell them to RUSH the legislation? I am a 7th cousin of Franz Leitner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Leitner_(politician)

From my Paternal Grandmother's line. It goes all the way to a Southern Confederate Captain and a female Leitner married into the Family. The female Leitner's grandfather participated against the British southern strategy in the United States.

Major George Micheal Leitner(American Revolutionary soldier) is German with Austrian relatives with the same surname. The Southern Confederate Captain's family line goes all the way to a German town.

They make up my 3% German heritage. I am sure this is why the families intermarried in the United States.

So, yes, I will let them know that I am for the Leftist parties in making sure all NAZI symbols are destroyed in Austria.

Franz Leitner fought the NAZIS and he is a relative of mine!!!

[Arkadacia]

The filthy liberal part of me says good, if only for the catharsis of seeing more fascist crying and wailing... the historian says the place should be kept around and turned into a sort of museum to mock Hitler's name and actions for the rest of its existence, just to elicit even more fascist wailing.