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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:07 pm
by Isyrannaea
The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Oh yes, the man who rejects all authority. No surprise of your opinion on this topic.


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>still using the impact font

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:08 pm
by The East Marches
Conserative Morality wrote:
Nusaresa wrote:w/o french revolution no computers btw

>> early long-range communication systems
>> revival of ideals of citizenship
>> human rights
>> metric system
>> liberation of the Jewish people
>> "nothing"


>metric system
>Good

Only countries that never went to the moon use metric system. John Adams revived the Roman concept of citizenship before the French trash did. Human right < natural rights. French lovers BTFO.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:08 pm
by Conscentia
The East Marches wrote:
Conscentia wrote:A higher power isn't grounded. Tradition is essentially just a pretentious term for habit.

Oh yes, the man who rejects all authority. No surprise of your opinion on this topic.

That isn't so. I'm not an anarchist. There's a link to On Authority in my signature for a reason.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:08 pm
by Conserative Morality
The East Marches wrote:Absolutist monarchies didn't lose their iron grip till 1848. Napoleon only succeeded in creating an unstable France constantly rotating government types and incapable of stability still to this day. His civil code was constantly subverted by the exercise of his own arbitrary standards and whims.

Absolutist monarchies weren't seriously threatened until '48. It was the wars of the Revolution that made kings and emperors fear the spectre of liberty. Their grip remained, but was hardly iron after the overthrow of Napoleon.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:09 pm
by Jochizyd Republic
Conserative Morality wrote:
Nusaresa wrote:w/o french revolution no computers btw

>> early long-range communication systems
>> revival of ideals of citizenship
>> human rights
>> metric system
>> liberation of the Jewish people
>> "nothing"

"Human rights."

As long as you were a revolutionary. Human rights are a strange concept anyway.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:09 pm
by The East Marches
Conscentia wrote:
The East Marches wrote:Oh yes, the man who rejects all authority. No surprise of your opinion on this topic.

That isn't so. I'm not anarchist. There's a link to On Authority in my signature for a reason.


I could have sworn I read that you rejected the authority of the state or some thing in LWDT.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:09 pm
by The United Colonies of Earth
Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches wrote:Mark "I correspond with 12 year olds" Twain.

... is there some implication here I'm not getting?
He totally ignores the end outcome of that revolution. A descent into an endless series of coalition wars with the blood tax and authority of Napoleon heaped ever higher upon the necks of the French people. They and threw it all away for nothing in the end.

"All for nothing"

I didn't know changing the face of Europe to such a degree that to this day many European law systems are derived from the standards laid out in the civil code and the bit where absolutist monarchy was rekt in France as well as abroad.

Napoleonic Code is pretty impressive.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:09 pm
by Isyrannaea
Conscentia wrote:
The East Marches wrote:Oh yes, the man who rejects all authority. No surprise of your opinion on this topic.

That isn't so. I'm not anarchist. There's a link to On Authority in my signature for a reason.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:10 pm
by The East Marches
Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches wrote:Absolutist monarchies didn't lose their iron grip till 1848. Napoleon only succeeded in creating an unstable France constantly rotating government types and incapable of stability still to this day. His civil code was constantly subverted by the exercise of his own arbitrary standards and whims.

Absolutist monarchies weren't seriously threatened until '48. It was the wars of the Revolution that made kings and emperors fear the spectre of liberty. Napoleon and his marshals. Their grip remained, but was hardly iron after the overthrow of Napoleon.


I fixed it for you.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:10 pm
by Nusaresa
The East Marches wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> early long-range communication systems
>> revival of ideals of citizenship
>> human rights
>> metric system
>> liberation of the Jewish people
>> "nothing"


>metric system
>Good

Only countries that never went to the moon use metric system. John Adams revived the Roman concept of citizenship before the French trash did. Human right < natural rights. French lovers BTFO.

natural rights btfo

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:11 pm
by Conserative Morality
The East Marches wrote:>metric system
>Good

Only countries that never went to the moon use metric system.

TIL Russia, India, and China do not use the metric system.
John Adams revived the Roman concept of citizenship before the French trash did.

Yeah, but not in Europe.
Human right < natural rights. French lovers BTFO.

Natural rights are the worst kind of garbage. I would've expected more cynicism from a villain of your caliber.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:12 pm
by Conserative Morality
The East Marches wrote:I fixed it for you.

Revolutionary European unrest outlasted Napoleon's reign.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:13 pm
by Lady Scylla
The East Marches wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> early long-range communication systems
>> revival of ideals of citizenship
>> human rights
>> metric system
>> liberation of the Jewish people
>> "nothing"


>metric system
>Good

Only countries that never went to the moon use metric system. John Adams revived the Roman concept of citizenship before the French trash did. Human right < natural rights. French lovers BTFO.


NASA uses the metric system, it's the preferred system for such.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:13 pm
by The United Colonies of Earth
Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches wrote:I fixed it for you.

Revolutionary European unrest outlasted Napoleon's reign.

Carlists, carlists everywhere.
9000 Carlist Wars later Spain has a democracy!
(For an example of what you're saying)

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:15 pm
by The East Marches
Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches wrote:>metric system
>Good

Only countries that never went to the moon use metric system.

TIL Russia, India, and China do not use the metric system.


It's a well known fact that it doesn't count unless you put a man there.

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches wrote:John Adams revived the Roman concept of citizenship before the French trash did.

Yeah, but not in Europe.


Please, the Europeans can't go 50 years without shitting up somebody's nice things. They are barely even people anyway. They clearly can't govern themselves.

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches wrote:Human right < natural rights. French lovers BTFO.

Natural rights are the worst kind of garbage. I would've expected more cynicism from a villain of your caliber.


>A villain like me doesn't believe in them because he gets greater utility out of life, liberty and property than he does garbage tier "human rights"

Muh constitution

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:16 pm
by The East Marches
Lady Scylla wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
>metric system
>Good

Only countries that never went to the moon use metric system. John Adams revived the Roman concept of citizenship before the French trash did. Human right < natural rights. French lovers BTFO.


NASA uses the metric system, it's the preferred system for such.


Please stop ruining things with facts. Metric is trash and belongs in the trash.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:16 pm
by The Princes of the Universe
Rights are bullshit. Ask however many are left of the ~120,000 people rounded up in the United States in 1942 all about how far your precious fucking rights will get you when push really comes to shove.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:17 pm
by Skappola
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Revolutionary European unrest outlasted Napoleon's reign.

Carlists, carlists everywhere.
9000 Carlist Wars later Spain has a democracy!
(For an example of what you're saying)

Damn Carlists, always getting in the way of the Alfonsist master race!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:17 pm
by Lady Scylla
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Rights are bullshit. Ask however many are left of the ~120,000 people rounded up in the United States in 1942 all about how far your precious fucking rights will get you when push really comes to shove.


Well, that came out of no where.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:18 pm
by The East Marches
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Rights are bullshit. Ask however many are left of the ~120,000 people rounded up in the United States in 1942 all about how far your precious fucking rights will get you when push really comes to shove.


They should have utilized their second amendment ones then. Good protestants like myself learned that only a willingness to defend your rights lets you keep them. Thanks to the Catholic Church for that lesson.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:18 pm
by Jochizyd Republic
Lady Scylla wrote:
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Rights are bullshit. Ask however many are left of the ~120,000 people rounded up in the United States in 1942 all about how far your precious fucking rights will get you when push really comes to shove.


Well, that came out of no where.

They're right tho.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:19 pm
by The V O I D
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Rights are bullshit. Ask however many are left of the ~120,000 people rounded up in the United States in 1942 all about how far your precious fucking rights will get you when push really comes to shove.


>speaking of a time before civil rights were a thing, or before racial rights were a major issue beyond finally eradicating slavery / anti-interracial marriage sentiment.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:20 pm
by The East Marches
The V O I D wrote:
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Rights are bullshit. Ask however many are left of the ~120,000 people rounded up in the United States in 1942 all about how far your precious fucking rights will get you when push really comes to shove.


>speaking of a time before civil rights were a thing, or before racial rights were a major issue beyond finally eradicating slavery / anti-interracial marriage sentiment.


Oh goodie we have Mr. "Right to associate freely doesn't exist" to tell us all how much he knows about rights.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:21 pm
by Lady Scylla
Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Well, that came out of no where.

They're right tho.


Well, I don't disagree. They're not inviolable, never have been.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:21 pm
by Nusaresa
Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Well, that came out of no where.

They're right tho.

>tfw christian thought served as basis for rights
>tfw islam establishes fair justice which implies innate rights