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US Presidential Election Poll - RWDT Edition

Poll ended at Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:10 am

Hillary Clinton
94
25%
Donald Trump
173
46%
Gary Johnson
47
12%
Jill Stein
16
4%
Evan McMullin
20
5%
Darrell Castle
8
2%
Other
20
5%
 
Total votes : 378

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:31 am

Trump isn't principled enough to be a fascist.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:32 am

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I can certainly understand it yeah.

I'm just amused at how many Muslims I've seen that are for Trump, it kinda ruins the narrative.


I don't know if you noticed, people like the narratives. Trump is a fascist meme is a great one too. Particularly because it echos back to the 2nd World War. It allows people to feel fulfilled like something they've done in their lives matters. Hence the popularity of it despite all evidence to the contrary.


The whole Trump = literally Hitler nonsense pisses me off to no end >_>
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:32 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I can certainly understand it yeah.

I'm just amused at how many Muslims I've seen that are for Trump, it kinda ruins the narrative.

If 1% of American Muslims voted for Trump, that would still give him 33,000, a not inconsiderable number. George Wallace got 3% of the nonwhite vote, and he wasn't even a main party candidate. Being a total shithead and Islamophobe does not preclude getting Muslim votes.
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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:32 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I don't know if you noticed, people like the narratives. Trump is a fascist meme is a great one too. Particularly because it echos back to the 2nd World War. It allows people to feel fulfilled like something they've done in their lives matters. Hence the popularity of it despite all evidence to the contrary.


The whole Trump = literally Hitler nonsense pisses me off to no end >_>

Godwin's law is a shit.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:33 am

Napkiraly wrote:Trump isn't principled enough to be a fascist.

Or consistent enough. Or strong enough.
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:34 am

Napkiraly wrote:Trump isn't principled enough to be a fascist.


That and he largely agrees with the worldview of the current system. Despite some geopolitical differences, the ideas being proposed are not new or radical. Which is why I agree with Jochi's assessment that he fits into the liberal worldview.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I don't know if you noticed, people like the narratives. Trump is a fascist meme is a great one too. Particularly because it echos back to the 2nd World War. It allows people to feel fulfilled like something they've done in their lives matters. Hence the popularity of it despite all evidence to the contrary.


The whole Trump = literally Hitler nonsense pisses me off to no end >_>


It is a powerful tool to mobilize support though. I can see why it might be used to great effect. I'm not a Trump support by any means, I'm just trying to show the other side of the coin.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:35 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I can certainly understand it yeah.

I'm just amused at how many Muslims I've seen that are for Trump, it kinda ruins the narrative.

If 1% of American Muslims voted for Trump, that would still give him 33,000, a not inconsiderable number. George Wallace got 3% of the nonwhite vote, and he wasn't even a main party candidate. Being a total shithead and Islamophobe does not preclude getting Muslim votes.


This election has made me realize you can do anything and still get people to vote for you.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The whole Trump = literally Hitler nonsense pisses me off to no end >_>

Godwin's law is a shit.


Godwin ruined everything

The East Marches wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The whole Trump = literally Hitler nonsense pisses me off to no end >_>


It is a powerful tool to mobilize support though. I can see why it might be used to great effect. I'm not a Trump support by any means, I'm just trying to show the other side of the coin.


Oh yeah it absolutely is. But it's still fucking retarded.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:35 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Trump isn't principled enough to be a fascist.

Or consistent enough. Or strong enough.

Trump and consistent do not work in a sentence together.
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:36 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Trump isn't principled enough to be a fascist.

Or consistent enough. Or strong enough.


Honestly, I was hoping to see a "Goldshirts" or Trump's "Lion Guard' take off. That would have been really interesting.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:36 am

The East Marches wrote:That and he largely agrees with the worldview of the current system. Despite some geopolitical differences, the ideas being proposed are not new or radical. Which is why I agree with Jochi's assessment that he fits into the liberal worldview.

Rhetoric often speaks louder than official stances. I put Trump in with Orban, Erdogan, Putin, et co.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:36 am

The East Marches wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Trump isn't principled enough to be a fascist.


That and he largely agrees with the worldview of the current system. Despite some geopolitical differences, the ideas being proposed are not new or radical. Which is why I agree with Jochi's assessment that he fits into the liberal worldview.
Conserative Morality wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Trump isn't principled enough to be a fascist.

Or consistent enough. Or strong enough.


These as well.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:36 am

Nusaresa wrote:$10 undervalued Canadian that Trump will not do what he has said.


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Postby The East Marches » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:37 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches wrote:That and he largely agrees with the worldview of the current system. Despite some geopolitical differences, the ideas being proposed are not new or radical. Which is why I agree with Jochi's assessment that he fits into the liberal worldview.

Rhetoric often speaks louder than official stances. I put Trump in with Orban, Erdogan, Putin, et co.


I would say American version of ErdoganLite.
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Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:37 am

Grand Britannia wrote:
Nusaresa wrote:$10 undervalued Canadian that Trump will not do what he has said.


we don't accept trudeaubucks

Will you accept Canadian Tire monies?

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:38 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Tbh, I understand his problem.

Protection from radical muslims and people who view him as not just a Muslim or a Liberal opponent but a Liberal Muslim (regardless if he is or not) may be a high priority for people like this.


I can certainly understand it yeah.

I'm just amused at how many Muslims I've seen that are for Trump, it kinda ruins the narrative.

Well the narrative needs to be ruined. The view towards Hillary and Trump the media sells is beyond retarded. HIllary really is a War Hawk Neocon and Trump is a National Liberal with corruption and incompetance being more of an issue with him than the "bigotry".

The amount of times I've defended Trump outside of the internet to friends and Family is mind boggling. Pretty much everyone thinks I'm going to vote for him and is annoyed at me for it even though I've told them over and over I like neither of them and I'm not voting.

I can't wait for it to be over just like anyone else. But the pestering is going to continue once they're President. Uuuuuuuugh
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Postby Camaalbakrius » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:39 am

Hillary is more Fascist than Trump, if you think about it: Her slogan is "Stronger Together"

Ask yourself:
What is the symbol of Fascism?
What does that symbol mean?/What is the message that it sends?

Then do the math
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Postby The Kievan People » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:41 am

The East Marches wrote:I don't know if you noticed, people like the narratives. Trump is a fascist meme is a great one too. Particularly because it echos back to the 2nd World War. It allows people to feel fulfilled like something they've done in their lives matters. Hence the popularity of it despite all evidence to the contrary.


It's certainly better for Democrats than talking about the "Obama economy", let alone Obamacare, or that time they killed Qaddafi, or all the Coal Miners they will put out of work, or common core or... anything concrete really.

Facts lead into unpleasant discussions.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:42 am

The East Marches wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Rhetoric often speaks louder than official stances. I put Trump in with Orban, Erdogan, Putin, et co.


I would say American version of ErdoganLite.

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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:42 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I would say American version of ErdoganLite.

"The best Dolma is made in Ankara Kebabs. I love Kurds!"

I snorted.
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Postby The Kievan People » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:42 am

Camaalbakrius wrote:Hillary is more Fascist than Trump, if you think about it: Her slogan is "Stronger Together"

Ask yourself:
What is the symbol of Fascism?
What does that symbol mean?/What is the message that it sends?

Then do the math


Shocking as it may seem not everyone who mentions working towards the common good is a fascist.
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Postby Camaalbakrius » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:44 am

The Kievan People wrote:
Camaalbakrius wrote:Hillary is more Fascist than Trump, if you think about it: Her slogan is "Stronger Together"

Ask yourself:
What is the symbol of Fascism?
What does that symbol mean?/What is the message that it sends?

Then do the math


Shocking as it may seem not everyone who mentions working towards the common good is a fascist.

Yet every fascist mentions working towards the common good.
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:45 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I would say American version of ErdoganLite.

"The best Dolma is made in Ankara Kebabs. I love Kurds!"


Nice Jochi, you owe me a new Fanta.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:45 am

The Kievan People wrote:
Camaalbakrius wrote:Hillary is more Fascist than Trump, if you think about it: Her slogan is "Stronger Together"

Ask yourself:
What is the symbol of Fascism?
What does that symbol mean?/What is the message that it sends?

Then do the math


Shocking as it may seem not everyone who mentions working towards the common good is a fascist.


Yeah.

They're communists.

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I can certainly understand it yeah.

I'm just amused at how many Muslims I've seen that are for Trump, it kinda ruins the narrative.

Well the narrative needs to be ruined. The view towards Hillary and Trump the media sells is beyond retarded. HIllary really is a War Hawk Neocon and Trump is a National Liberal with corruption and incompetance being more of an issue with him than the "bigotry".

The amount of times I've defended Trump outside of the internet to friends and Family is mind boggling. Pretty much everyone thinks I'm going to vote for him and is annoyed at me for it even though I've told them over and over I like neither of them and I'm not voting.

I can't wait for it to be over just like anyone else. But the pestering is going to continue once they're President. Uuuuuuuugh


I'm in that same boat, I've even had people on this site assume I'm voting Trump because I've defended him before.

Lets just fast forward to 2020
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:46 am

Camaalbakrius wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:
Shocking as it may seem not everyone who mentions working towards the common good is a fascist.

Yet every fascist mentions working towards the common good.

Yes, but that does not make everyone who wants to work towards that a fascist. Social democracy for instance, places a lot of emphasis on the common good. It however is not fascism.

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