Right Wing Discussion Thread V - Emperor's Holy Inquisition

[Nusaresa]

The west has to compete with this in Africa.

[The East Marches]

We should strive to avoid going full French revolution. You can't worship reason as a good itself. There must be some grounding in either a higher power or tradition of some sort. The founding fathers knew this.

Elaborate more, how did our founding fathers know and avoid this?

The important thing to remember is the context of the American Revolution versus that of the French. The American Revolution was not a proper revolution. It was men who believed themselves to be "English" having their God given rights trampled upon. There is the salient point found in Locke's writing. I'm on mobile atm so I don't have the exact quote handy. You can't believe in the natural rights of man without believing in a higher power of some sort.

This is a key point, it does not matter what God it is. Many of my fellow Christians misunderstand the reasoning of the founding fathers. They meaning God in a rhetorical meaning. As in you are not beholden to another man for your God given rights. Does this make sense? Some of them are better thought of as being deists.

That is why you saw support in Britain for American Revolution among Enlightenment thinkers. However, those same thinkers argued bitterly against the French Revolution and rightfully so.

[New confederate ramenia]

The west has to compete with this in Africa.

fug

[Conscentia]

I prefer the Enlightenment's rationalist ethos to the irrational romantic views of the Raphaelites.

We should strive to avoid going full French revolution. You can't worship reason as a good itself. There must be some grounding in either a higher power or tradition of some sort. The founding fathers knew this.

A higher power isn't grounded. Tradition is essentially just a pretentious term for habit.

[The East Marches]

We should strive to avoid going full French revolution. You can't worship reason as a good itself. There must be some grounding in either a higher power or tradition of some sort. The founding fathers knew this.

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/ ... vative.pdf

I am well aware you support the villains of the French Revolution. Your blind cry for the heads of Kings without realizing what forces you would unleash is disturbing to say the least.

[Nusaresa]

The west has to compete with this in Africa.

fug

I mean it's actually a pretty good move on China's part. Both economically and as a public image. Not to mention both Djibouti and especially landlocked Ethiopia benefit from this new rail system.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

The west has to compete with this in Africa.

There was a chinese leader who said that people have human rights to infrastructure and a high standard of living before freedom of speech. This reminds me of that.

We should strive to avoid going full French revolution. You can't worship reason as a good itself. There must be some grounding in either a higher power or tradition of some sort. The founding fathers knew this.

A higher power isn't grounded. Tradition is essentially just a pretentious term for habit.

*slow clap*

ROME NEVER FELL
JUSTINIAN DEFEATED THE BARBARIAN HORDES
LATINITAS VIVIT
HISTORY REWRITTEN
FLAWLESS VICTORY
http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/romanitas1-png.4558/

what is this shit

Historia alternativa gloriosa romanaque.

[The Liberated Territories]

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/ ... vative.pdf

I am well aware you support the villains of the French Revolution. Your blind cry for the heads of Kings without realizing what forces you would unleash is disturbing to say the least.

It seems more to me that the job was never finished. France exists today as a totalitarian socialist state, American as a totalitarian corporatist state. Both pay lip service to the ideals of the Enlightenment, but have gone in its opposite direction. I agree with Jefferson that the tree of liberty must be from time and time refreshed with the blood of tyrants, and it has been far too long.

[Nusaresa]

The west has to compete with this in Africa.

There was a chinese leader who said that people have human rights to infrastructure and a high standard of living before freedom of speech. This reminds me of that.

They are not wrong here. Infrastructure allows for better transport of people and goods, which is necessary for any functioning nation.

[Conserative Morality]

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/ ... vative.pdf

I am well aware you support the villains of the French Revolution. Your blind cry for the heads of Kings without realizing what forces you would unleash is disturbing to say the least.

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/ ... vative.pdf

I am well aware you support the villains of the French Revolution. Your blind cry for the heads of Kings without realizing what forces you would unleash is disturbing to say the least.

I felt he kinda got the whole shitpile brought on himself. Hell, wasn't he more interested in making machines and stuff? I pity the king.
Who the bloody hell was resisting just transitioning to a constitutional monarchy?
And I dislike how the revolution justified unitarism and the end of the Occitan languages. That shit got replicated across much of the world.

[The East Marches]

I am well aware you support the villains of the French Revolution. Your blind cry for the heads of Kings without realizing what forces you would unleash is disturbing to say the least.

It seems more to me that the job was never finished. France exists today as a totalitarian socialist state, American as a totalitarian corporatist state. Both pay lip service to the ideals of the Enlightenment, but have gone in its opposite direction. I agree with Jefferson that the tree of liberty must be from time and time refreshed with the blood of tyrants, and it has been far too long.

Then you are idealistic fool who has never suffered the horrors of war nor studied how uncontrolled the outcome is once the iron dice are rolled. For all our faults, the American is still far freer than his European counterparts.

[Conscentia]

A higher power isn't grounded. Tradition is essentially just a pretentious term for habit.

*slow clap*

The sarky kind?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I am well aware you support the villains of the French Revolution. Your blind cry for the heads of Kings without realizing what forces you would unleash is disturbing to say the least.

It seems more to me that the job was never finished. France exists today as a totalitarian socialist state, American as a totalitarian corporatist state. Both pay lip service to the ideals of the Enlightenment, but have gone in its opposite direction. I agree with Jefferson that the tree of liberty must be from time and time refreshed with the blood of tyrants, and it has been far too long.

...is this tree of liberty related to any Mesoamerican deities?

*slow clap*

The sarky kind?

I mean, I agree with you and I like the way you put it.

[The East Marches]

I am well aware you support the villains of the French Revolution. Your blind cry for the heads of Kings without realizing what forces you would unleash is disturbing to say the least.

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

Mark "I correspond with 12 year olds" Twain. He totally ignores the end outcome of that revolution. A descent into an endless series of coalition wars with the blood tax and authority of Napoleon heaped ever higher upon the necks of the French people. They and threw it all away for nothing in the end.

[The East Marches]

We should strive to avoid going full French revolution. You can't worship reason as a good itself. There must be some grounding in either a higher power or tradition of some sort. The founding fathers knew this.

A higher power isn't grounded. Tradition is essentially just a pretentious term for habit.

Oh yes, the man who rejects all authority. No surprise of your opinion on this topic.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Mark "I correspond with 12 year olds" Twain. He totally ignores the end outcome of that revolution. A descent into an endless series of coalition wars with the blood tax and authority of Napoleon heaped ever higher upon the necks of the French people. They and threw it all away for nothing in the end.

I never understood why they couldn't just leave each other alone. Like Romeo and Juliet only they want to put each others' heads on pikes.

[Conserative Morality]

Mark "I correspond with 12 year olds" Twain.

... is there some implication here I'm not getting?

He totally ignores the end outcome of that revolution. A descent into an endless series of coalition wars with the blood tax and authority of Napoleon heaped ever higher upon the necks of the French people. They and threw it all away for nothing in the end.

"All for nothing"

I didn't know changing the face of Europe to such a degree that to this day many European law systems are derived from the standards laid out in the civil code and the bit where absolutist monarchy was rekt in France as well as abroad.

[The Liberated Territories]

It seems more to me that the job was never finished. France exists today as a totalitarian socialist state, American as a totalitarian corporatist state. Both pay lip service to the ideals of the Enlightenment, but have gone in its opposite direction. I agree with Jefferson that the tree of liberty must be from time and time refreshed with the blood of tyrants, and it has been far too long.

Then you are idealistic fool who has never suffered the horrors of war nor studied how uncontrolled the outcome is once the iron dice are rolled. For all our faults, the American is still far freer than his European counterparts.

That war however, was not the looter's war. The looter's war is the destructive war, the war that has caused a many to suffer at the expense of a few privileged rich folks in government, justified by mysticism instead of reason. Yet it is exactly the roll of the dice that is the only chance of freeing the bondage of men, and forging ahead into the wilderness as our ancestors had for millennium. What is the price of liberty? Not enough, I think.

"As has often been acknowledged by conservative writers, one of the
fundamental traits of the conservative attitude is a fear of change, a timid distrust of the
new as such, while the liberal position is based on courage and confidence, on a
preparedness to let change run its course even if we cannot predict where it will lead. "

[Nusaresa]

Mark "I correspond with 12 year olds" Twain. He totally ignores the end outcome of that revolution. A descent into an endless series of coalition wars with the blood tax and authority of Napoleon heaped ever higher upon the necks of the French people. They and threw it all away for nothing in the end.

w/o french revolution no computers btw

[Conserative Morality]

w/o french revolution no computers btw

>> early long-range communication systems
>> revival of ideals of citizenship
>> human rights
>> metric system
>> liberation of the Jewish people
>> "nothing"

[The Liberated Territories]

A higher power isn't grounded. Tradition is essentially just a pretentious term for habit.

Oh yes, the man who rejects all authority. No surprise of your opinion on this topic.

[Nusaresa]

w/o french revolution no computers btw

>> early long-range communication systems
>> revival of ideals of citizenship
>> human rights
>> metric system
>> liberation of the Jewish people
>> "nothing"

muh scientific inquiry

[Conscentia]

I am well aware you support the villains of the French Revolution. Your blind cry for the heads of Kings without realizing what forces you would unleash is disturbing to say the least.

It seems more to me that the job was never finished. France exists today as a totalitarian socialist state, American as a totalitarian corporatist state. Both pay lip service to the ideals of the Enlightenment, but have gone in its opposite direction. I agree with Jefferson that the tree of liberty must be from time and time refreshed with the blood of tyrants, and it has been far too long.

Neither are totalitarian, and France isn't socialist.

[The East Marches]

Mark "I correspond with 12 year olds" Twain.

... is there some implication here I'm not getting?

It's a /his/ and /lit/ meme I was hoping you'd catch.

He totally ignores the end outcome of that revolution. A descent into an endless series of coalition wars with the blood tax and authority of Napoleon heaped ever higher upon the necks of the French people. They and threw it all away for nothing in the end.

"All for nothing"

I didn't know changing the face of Europe to such a degree that to this day many European law systems are derived from the standards laid out in the civil code and the bit where absolutist monarchy was rekt in France as well as abroad.

Absolutist monarchies didn't lose their iron grip till 1848. Napoleon only succeeded in creating an unstable France constantly rotating government types and incapable of stability still to this day. His civil code was constantly subverted by the exercise of his own arbitrary standards and whims.