US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Socialist Nordia]

How can evangelicals support this man. I just don't get it.

Christian morals and values only apply to abortion and gay marriage, silly.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They share common interests.

Evangelicals also like to grab women by the pussy?

I think I missed Sunday School classes about that one when I was going to evangelical churches.

[Galloism]

she is also making it refundable so that you can get your tax credit money even if you didn't pay that much in taxes. good for poor people.

I'll admit, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about tax policy and the money side of governance. Why is that good for poor people?

Most tax credits can only reduce federal income tax but not below zero. If you are a family of four that makes $28,800 of income before you pay a dime in federal income tax, and then the 10% bracket is another $18,550 above that.

https://www.irs.com/articles/2016-feder ... deductions

Lower income families pay little to nothing in income tax anyway, so tax credits don't help them, UNLESS they're refundable. That means that it can reduce their tax below zero and they can get that credit money back.

(Of note, child tax credit is often refundable as 'additional child tax credit', but there's a computation behind that, and it's not always fully refundable)

[Soldati Senza Confini]

she is also making it refundable so that you can get your tax credit money even if you didn't pay that much in taxes. good for poor people.

I'll admit, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about tax policy and the money side of governance. Why is that good for poor people?

Well, let's remember that income is not necessarily the only valuator of wealth.

In perspective, say you're a family with only one person working who makes 100,000 dollars, and you have four children who are your dependents and are your kids. 2,000x4=8,000 dollars you do not have to pay taxes on.

Further, let's say you're a business owner and you know how to offset most of your expenses to have a payment of 0 dollars or 100 dollars, or anything less than 8,000 dollars, by making it refundable, you're setting it up so that at least part of that credit comes back to you in the form of the tax return check that many people get in the mail, that's extra income you did not have before and that you can use for expenses at the house or anything that you fancy.

[PaNTuXIa]

How can evangelicals support this man. I just don't get it.

Christian morals and values only apply to abortion and gay marriage, silly.

Pretty much.

Remember, the people that want to ban gay marriage, ban abortions, ban weed and drugs, and force you to pledge allegiance are the party of small government!

Though to be fair, the modern left isn't much better.

[Philjia]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/donald-trump-paul-ryan.html

Seems The Donald is going after Paul Ryan now. And after Hillary's health. Classy.

It's a bizarre attack. How could you possibly describe Ryan as weak?

[Farnhamia]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/donald-trump-paul-ryan.html

Seems The Donald is going after Paul Ryan now. And after Hillary's health. Classy.

It's a bizarre attack. How could you possibly describe Ryan as weak?

He's weak because he got scared by an 11 year old tape of some locker-room talk. He should pounded the Democrats on Bill Clinton's sexual assaults. Grab them by the ... uhm ... you know.

[Khadgar]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/donald-trump-paul-ryan.html

Seems The Donald is going after Paul Ryan now. And after Hillary's health. Classy.

It's a bizarre attack. How could you possibly describe Ryan as weak?

Well he's not morally strong enough to cut ties with Trump.

[Farnhamia]

It's a bizarre attack. How could you possibly describe Ryan as weak?

Well he's not morally strong enough to cut ties with Trump.

True. Can't quite do it.

[Galloism]

It's a bizarre attack. How could you possibly describe Ryan as weak?

Well he's not morally strong enough to cut ties with Trump.

I think that trump meant it differently. He's not strong enough to brag about grabbing women by the pussy.

[Farnhamia]

Well he's not morally strong enough to cut ties with Trump.

I think that trump meant it differently. He's not strong enough to brag about grabbing women by the pussy.

These days, who knows?

[Telconi]

Evangelicals also like to grab women by the pussy?

I think I missed Sunday School classes about that one when I was going to evangelical churches.

In all seriousness, it's a symptom of our two party system, each party ecompasses a coalition of groups all pushing different agendas, oftentimes these groups may oppose one another, but to an extent less than they oppose the opposite party's group. It's how we get folks like Omar Mateen and RuPaul behind the same party. Or in the case expressed, pushy grabbing big businessmen and fundamental Christians.

[Collatis]

First

So how is your preferred candidate doing in your state?

New Jersey is safely Democrat in Presidential elections, and have been since Bill Clinton, except for a slight scare in 2004 for Kerry. Trump's claim that he can win in NJ are just as dubious as his claims about New York, Connecticut, California, Oregon, and Washington.

Neither of New Jersey's Senators, rising star Cory Booker and crook Bob Menendez, are up for reelection in 2016, but we do have an interesting House race in the 5th district, where Tea Party incumbent Scott Garrett is under fire from a surprisingly strong Democrat for his blatant homophobia, voting against Sandy aide, and various other far-right positions that might make sense in Alabama, but certainly not New Jersey. The House Majority PAC has a great ad attacking Garrett.

I live in the 12th district, which is safe for Bonnie Watson Coleman, the Democrat. However, I am interning for Peter Jacob, who is running in the 7th district, and he is doing surprisingly well. Leonard Lance, the Republican, still has the advantage, but I could see Jacob winning if Hillary continues to rise in the polls.

[Navaronia]

It's a bizarre attack. How could you possibly describe Ryan as weak?

He's weak because he got scared by an 11 year old tape of some locker-room talk. He should pounded the Democrats on Bill Clinton's sexual assaults. Grab them by the ... uhm ... you know.

Ryan is only doing what is necessary to stay popular.

[Galloism]

Rubio keeps lips locked firmly on Donald's ass.

[Cymrea]

First

So how is your preferred candidate doing in your state?

New Jersey is safely Democrat in Presidential elections, and have been since Bill Clinton, except for a slight scare in 2004 for Kerry. Trump's claim that he can win in NJ are just as dubious as his claims about New York, Connecticut, California, Oregon, and Washington.

Neither of New Jersey's Senators, rising star Cory Booker and crook Bob Menendez, are up for reelection in 2016, but we do have an interesting House race in the 5th district, where Tea Party incumbent Scott Garrett is under fire from a surprisingly strong Democrat for his blatant homophobia, voting against Sandy aide, and various other far-right positions that might make sense in Alabama, but certainly not New Jersey. The House Majority PAC has a great ad attacking Garrett.

I live in the 12th district, which is safe for Bonnie Watson Coleman, the Democrat. However, I am interning for Peter Jacob, who is running in the 7th district, and he is doing surprisingly well. Leonard Lance, the Republican, still has the advantage, but I could see Jacob winning if Hillary continues to rise in the polls.

Oh, I dunno about Oregon. He seems to be pretty popular with those folks driving lifted diesel trucks with Confederate flags and truck nutz.

[Cymrea]

He's weak because he got scared by an 11 year old tape of some locker-room talk. He should pounded the Democrats on Bill Clinton's sexual assaults. Grab them by the ... uhm ... you know.

Ryan is only doing what is necessary to stay popular.

He's doing - and green-lighting - the GOP incumbents to do whatever they must to hold onto their offices. The GOP doesn't actually care about Trump's transgressions save for where it hurts the Party.

[Navaronia]

Rubio keeps lips locked firmly on Donald's ass.

I think Rubio wants Trump to have a chance, hahahah. Anyways, it seems like someone actually has announced their support for Trump in awhile.

[Socialist Nordia]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/donald-trump-paul-ryan.html

Seems The Donald is going after Paul Ryan now. And after Hillary's health. Classy.

It's a bizarre attack. How could you possibly describe Ryan as weak?

I say he's weak for not having the backbone to fully retract his endorsement and denounce Trump.

[Zurkerx]

First

So how is your preferred candidate doing in your state?

New Jersey is safely Democrat in Presidential elections, and have been since Bill Clinton, except for a slight scare in 2004 for Kerry. Trump's claim that he can win in NJ are just as dubious as his claims about New York, Connecticut, California, Oregon, and Washington.

Neither of New Jersey's Senators, rising star Cory Booker and crook Bob Menendez, are up for reelection in 2016, but we do have an interesting House race in the 5th district, where Tea Party incumbent Scott Garrett is under fire from a surprisingly strong Democrat for his blatant homophobia, voting against Sandy aide, and various other far-right positions that might make sense in Alabama, but certainly not New Jersey. The House Majority PAC has a great ad attacking Garrett.

I live in the 12th district, which is safe for Bonnie Watson Coleman, the Democrat. However, I am interning for Peter Jacob, who is running in the 7th district, and he is doing surprisingly well. Leonard Lance, the Republican, still has the advantage, but I could see Jacob winning if Hillary continues to rise in the polls.

I live in the 3rd district and I don't expect Tom MacArthur to lose. Also, ain't Scott Garrett in the Freedom Caucus or something?

Rubio keeps lips locked firmly on Donald's ass.

I'm a bit surprise though I suspect Rubio fears Trump will ruin his campaign like he's trying to do to other Republicans. A Civil War is indeed erupting.

[Cymrea]

New Jersey is safely Democrat in Presidential elections, and have been since Bill Clinton, except for a slight scare in 2004 for Kerry. Trump's claim that he can win in NJ are just as dubious as his claims about New York, Connecticut, California, Oregon, and Washington.

Neither of New Jersey's Senators, rising star Cory Booker and crook Bob Menendez, are up for reelection in 2016, but we do have an interesting House race in the 5th district, where Tea Party incumbent Scott Garrett is under fire from a surprisingly strong Democrat for his blatant homophobia, voting against Sandy aide, and various other far-right positions that might make sense in Alabama, but certainly not New Jersey. The House Majority PAC has a great ad attacking Garrett.

I live in the 12th district, which is safe for Bonnie Watson Coleman, the Democrat. However, I am interning for Peter Jacob, who is running in the 7th district, and he is doing surprisingly well. Leonard Lance, the Republican, still has the advantage, but I could see Jacob winning if Hillary continues to rise in the polls.

I live in the 3rd district and I don't expect Tom MacArthur to lose. Also, ain't Scott Garrett in the Freedom Caucus or something?

Rubio keeps lips locked firmly on Donald's ass.

I'm a bit surprise though I suspect Rubio fears Trump will ruin his campaign like he's trying to do to other Republicans. A Civil War is indeed erupting.

Crap on America: Civil War

[Farnhamia]

I live in the 3rd district and I don't expect Tom MacArthur to lose. Also, ain't Scott Garrett in the Freedom Caucus or something?



I'm a bit surprise though I suspect Rubio fears Trump will ruin his campaign like he's trying to do to other Republicans. A Civil War is indeed erupting.

Crap on America: Civil War

Not in the country as a whole but inside the GOP? I'd run for the hills. They're never going to be the same. Trump talked about McArthur and Patton spinning in their graves, I'm sure Lincoln and TR and Ike are doing the same.

[The Romulan Republic]

He's weak because he got scared by an 11 year old tape of some locker-room talk. He should pounded the Democrats on Bill Clinton's sexual assaults. Grab them by the ... uhm ... you know.

Ryan is only doing what is necessary to stay popular.

Ryan is showing a gutless lack of integrity. After waffling, he reluctantly endorsed Trump. Now that the backlash is growing against Trump, far too little too late, he tries to stop supporting his campaign without actually retracting his endorsement.

He's been trying to have his cake and eat it too throughout this campaign.

[Genivaria]

Crap on America: Civil War

Not in the country as a whole but inside the GOP? I'd run for the hills. They're never going to be the same. Trump talked about McArthur and Patton spinning in their graves, I'm sure Lincoln and TR and Ike are doing the same.

If this is a civil war then what exactly are the 'sides'?

[Cymrea]

Crap on America: Civil War

Not in the country as a whole but inside the GOP? I'd run for the hills. They're never going to be the same. Trump talked about McArthur and Patton spinning in their graves, I'm sure Lincoln and TR and Ike are doing the same.

Inside the GOP for a certainty. But this sort of tabloid campaigning has normalised political extremism to disturbing new lows, and that will affect our whole country, I think.