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What is The Biggest, Most Imminent, Geopolitical Threat To The United States?

Russia
33
13%
China
17
7%
North Korea
2
1%
ISIS
13
5%
Climate Change
45
18%
Iran
1
0%
Immigrants/Refugees
12
5%
Domestic Terror
12
5%
Hillary Clinton
46
18%
Donald Trump
75
29%
 
Total votes : 256

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:33 am

Khadgar wrote:538's polls plus now has Hillary over 80% to win which is a new high.


I think it was that high after the Convention boost.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:34 am

Didn't Trump fire a woman for locker room talk?
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Postby Khadgar » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:35 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Khadgar wrote:538's polls plus now has Hillary over 80% to win which is a new high.


I think it was that high after the Convention boost.


Highest previous I could find was 79.5.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:36 am

Cymrea wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Don't you know that the Republican party and the Democratic party are the same according to Trump Republicans?

A new T-Party coming, you think?

It's mostly the Republicans finally realizing that their party never cared about them in the first place.
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Postby Guy » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:36 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Khadgar wrote:538's polls plus now has Hillary over 80% to win which is a new high.


I think it was that high after the Convention boost.

Polls-plus barely got over 75%. Meanwhile, polls-only was about 10% higher and even more -- Corrian kept waiting for it to hit 90%. Hopefully we'll get there soon. :)

I really think that polls-plus is the better model, especially the further back you go (and polls are less meaningful). You might just have to adjust the popular vote prediction 1% in favour of clinton. But polls-only way too bouncy. Now matters less so close to election.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:37 am

Neutraligon wrote:Didn't Trump fire a woman for locker room talk?

For talking in the locker room when she should have been waiting for orders, more like.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:38 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Didn't Trump fire a woman for locker room talk?

For talking in the locker room when she should have been waiting for orders, more like.

No as in saying the word "crap"
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:39 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:For talking in the locker room when she should have been waiting for orders, more like.

No as in saying the word "crap"
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Donald Trump in 2010: “This is my boardroom. It's not a locker room. Maria, you’re fired.” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That was five years after the Access Hollywood tape. Obviously he had reformed and was now outraged by that young woman's disgusting talk. *nod*
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:42 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:No as in saying the word "crap"
https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Donald Trump in 2010: “This is my boardroom. It's not a locker room. Maria, you’re fired.” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That was five years after the Access Hollywood tape. Obviously he had reformed and was now outraged by that young woman's disgusting talk. *nod*

Exactly... well except the part where he is today justifying himself by saying it is just locker-room talk.
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Postby Khadgar » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:43 am

Trump is now attacking McCain again.

Noted Christian Ben Carson says the problem is there's not more graphic sex talk

“As I was growing up, people were always trying to talk about their sexual conquests, and trying to make themselves appear, you know, like the don, you know, Casanova,” Carson said, answering a question from anchor Brianna Keilar about where he had heard similar discussions in the past. “I'm surprised you haven't heard that. I really am.”

“I haven't heard it and I know a lot of people who have not heard it,” Keilar responded. “And I think they were shocked.”

“Well, maybe that's the problem. Maybe that’s the problem,” Carson said. “You know, people have not heard this.”

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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:44 am

Khadgar wrote:Trump is now attacking McCain again.

Noted Christian Ben Carson says the problem is there's not more graphic sex talk

“As I was growing up, people were always trying to talk about their sexual conquests, and trying to make themselves appear, you know, like the don, you know, Casanova,” Carson said, answering a question from anchor Brianna Keilar about where he had heard similar discussions in the past. “I'm surprised you haven't heard that. I really am.”

“I haven't heard it and I know a lot of people who have not heard it,” Keilar responded. “And I think they were shocked.”

“Well, maybe that's the problem. Maybe that’s the problem,” Carson said. “You know, people have not heard this.”

I feel like I have slipped into an alternate universe.
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Postby The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:45 am

Khadgar wrote:Trump is now attacking McCain again.

Noted Christian Ben Carson says the problem is there's not more graphic sex talk

“As I was growing up, people were always trying to talk about their sexual conquests, and trying to make themselves appear, you know, like the don, you know, Casanova,” Carson said, answering a question from anchor Brianna Keilar about where he had heard similar discussions in the past. “I'm surprised you haven't heard that. I really am.”

“I haven't heard it and I know a lot of people who have not heard it,” Keilar responded. “And I think they were shocked.”

“Well, maybe that's the problem. Maybe that’s the problem,” Carson said. “You know, people have not heard this.”

..the fuck.

The actual fuck.
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Postby Khadgar » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:45 am

Galloism wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Trump is now attacking McCain again.

Noted Christian Ben Carson says the problem is there's not more graphic sex talk


I feel like I have slipped into an alternate universe.


I almost put a Not The Onion, No Seriously It's Not at the end there.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:46 am

Khadgar wrote:
Galloism wrote:I feel like I have slipped into an alternate universe.


I almost put a Not The Onion, No Seriously It's Not at the end there.

I'll admit, I checked before posting.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:48 am

How can evangelicals support this man. I just don't get it.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:48 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That was five years after the Access Hollywood tape. Obviously he had reformed and was now outraged by that young woman's disgusting talk. *nod*

Exactly... well except the part where he is today justifying himself by saying it is just locker-room talk.

That was then, this is now.
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Postby Khadgar » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:49 am

Galloism wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
I almost put a Not The Onion, No Seriously It's Not at the end there.

I'll admit, I checked before posting.


Do you remember say a year ago when the stereotype was liberals were the ones with loose morals who didn't mind sex talk?

Man those were fun times. Now we have a self professed conservative born again Christian type saying it's a pity there's not more sexual bragging in society.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:49 am

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No.

In fact, he's made comments that could be interpreted as supporting their use in a first strike.


So? What exactly is your problem with that? Tactical nuclear weapons (so small stuff, not Nagasaki scale) are a valid option in warfare.

Tactical nukes are typically 'Nagasaki scale'.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:50 am

Khadgar wrote:Trump is now attacking McCain again.

Noted Christian Ben Carson says the problem is there's not more graphic sex talk

“As I was growing up, people were always trying to talk about their sexual conquests, and trying to make themselves appear, you know, like the don, you know, Casanova,” Carson said, answering a question from anchor Brianna Keilar about where he had heard similar discussions in the past. “I'm surprised you haven't heard that. I really am.”

“I haven't heard it and I know a lot of people who have not heard it,” Keilar responded. “And I think they were shocked.”

“Well, maybe that's the problem. Maybe that’s the problem,” Carson said. “You know, people have not heard this.”


His next statement though:

“Maybe that's the problem,” Carson repeated. “I would welcome, quite frankly, a discussion of morality in this country. I think it would be a wonderful thing if we'd bring back our Judeo-Christian values once again. I think it could do nothing but help us. I would be all in favor of that.”


So, Christian morality involves talking about how we men would love to grab women's pussies and women just taking it? What? :eyebrow:
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:50 am

Neutraligon wrote:How can evangelicals support this man. I just don't get it.

They're afraid of the government telling them what to think, how to worship, telling them to bake cakes and take pictures of gay people getting married. Trump's campaign has always been about fear, from the opening salvo to now.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:51 am

Neutraligon wrote:How can evangelicals support this man. I just don't get it.


They share common interests.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:52 am

Telconi wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:How can evangelicals support this man. I just don't get it.


They share common interests.

Evangelicals also like to grab women by the pussy?
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Postby Uiiop » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:53 am

Neutraligon wrote:How can evangelicals support this man. I just don't get it.

Because in their view the Supreme Court might get a anti-abortion justice from him or something. That and of course they believe the hype of his immigration and economic "Polices".
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Postby Khadgar » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:53 am

Galloism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
They share common interests.

Evangelicals also like to grab women by the pussy?


Ben Carson seems to imply they like to talk it. Praise Jesus and man but doesn't Mary have a fine rack?

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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:54 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Clinton has proposed doubling the child tax credit for kids up to and including 4 years of age to $2,000 per child.

This seems like a good thing to me, but can someone give a description on just what a tax credit, in general, is?

she is also making it refundable so that you can get your tax credit money even if you didn't pay that much in taxes. good for poor people.

I'll admit, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about tax policy and the money side of governance. Why is that good for poor people?
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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