US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Prioca]

I live in Rhode Island and surprisingly, all I see is Trump signs and I haven't seen a single Hillary poster yet at all. Closest I've seen is a bumper sticker and that's it, literally

I live in Arkansas and I have two neighbors, one clearly supporting Trump and one clearly supporting Hillary, who for the past couple months have been trying to outdo each other with signage.

I counted 17 signs in the Hillary yard and 19 in the Trump yard day before yesterday.

I went by today, and all the Trump signs were gone.

Oh God...

I have a trump sign. My neighbor has a Johnson sign. We're at war, but not like them.

[Ebliania]

Aka my state is safely blue so it's not really an exciting state.

Well Pennsylvania is somehow always exciting

[Farnhamia]

Johnson's an idiot and he should drop out, because I think that he would slightly prefer Trump over Clinton and he's the largest thing in Trump's way

Johnson may be an idiot, but he's not that stupid.

I have my doubts. The Libertarians and the Greens ... if you look up "insane" there will be a picture of one of the party logos. "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." The Great Pumpkin is not going to rise out of the most sincere pumpkin patch, Gary, Jill, and deliver the Presidency to you. He's not. Just stop wasting your people's money, run some reasonable candidates for the House, a state legislature or three. All politics is local and you people keep going for the national prize. Just stop.

[AiliailiA]

Marist College are A rated pollsters, with a bias of R+0.7

So if you want to go unskewing results, it's Clinton up FOUR points not a damn draw.

But I'll give you a chance to make your case. Show us a source where they unskew the poll, or if you "bother" to do it yourself, show us your calculations.

I'm remembering the unskewing of 2012.

The polls were remarkable that year. Romney led for most of October and polls only turned against him right at the end. Then after all, the polls under estimated the size of Obama's win.

If you were looking at the polls suspiciously, thinking they were faked, you'd think they were skewed against Obama and only turned honest at the end because they have to match the election result, or else those dirty cheats would get caught out.

But returning to reality ...

Also, Karl Rove's meltdown.

Having to stay on live TV while your team loses the election must be one of the worst times a politician can have. Worse than having rotten fruit thrown at you. Worse than smelly voters who insist on hugging you. Worse even than recorder recitals from kids who can't play the recorder at all.
When your party loses, all you want to do is drink heavily, swear and smash something, but you're on live TV and you shouldn't do any of those things.

I don't know why they do it, I really don't.

[Socialist Nordia]

Johnson might as well never entered the race. I wish, for once, that maybe this election can change and endorse the third-party system. But knowing the good ol' US of A that's just a smidge more unlikely than the Government taking away firearms.

I was happy That Johnson was doing so well, he seems like a great guy. Then I heard about his environmental views? Do we know if he's changed his mind about that?

I think he's one of the delusional ones who thinks the free market can solve climate change without any government regulation, because the polluters will just stop because we ask nicely. Equally unsettling is his total and complete foreign policy ignorance.

[Eol Sha]

Johnson's an idiot and he should drop out, because I think that he would slightly prefer Trump over Clinton and he's the largest thing in Trump's way

Johnson is mostly Clinton protest votes, iirc.

Nah. His supporters, at least according to most polls, come pretty equally from the Dems and Republicans.

[Major-Tom]

He's an idiot, but I trust that pot addled buffoon over a sociopath or a delusional narcissist. He'd have some reasonable, and some unreasonable legislation, and a GOP congress could stop some of his more...goofy ideas, as could the down to earth Weld as VP.

Vote Johnson folks, the pot smoking, Aleppo forgetting, cheeky former NM governor manages to be more qualified than the two major candidates. Thats a sad reflection of our country.

Wanna back that up with something other than your strong feelings?

Believe me, those feelings aren't strong.

Basically, look, you're left wing, I think you agree that Trump's a delusional narcissist, so I'll just leave that claim there. As for Clinton, well, her entire political career has been one of corruption, flip flopping, and an inability to do much good. The Clinton Foundation is as morally bankrupt as the whole of Congress, she has worse donors and lobbying groups behind her than Trump ever could, her husband is likely just as much a sexual predator as Trump is, and she only seeks elected office, nothing else, no principle.

So, thats my ethical reason behind never supporting her. Now, I also obviously disagree with her on a myriad of policy issues, meaning I'd never, ever, vote for her, nor could I ever, ever, vote for Trump.

[Penguin Union Nation]

I don't agree with Johnson on much, but despite a few missteps, I have much more respect for him than I do either of the major candidates.

[Arlenton]

First

So how is your preferred candidate doing in your state?

Good question. I don't like either of the major party candidates, but Hillary Clinton has my state in the bag.

The Senate election, however, is a bit different. Senator Mark Kirk is in trouble, as his opponent leads him by a polling average of seven points. It's not impossible for Kirk to hold on, but it is pretty unlikely. I'm voting for him and making sure all of my Republican friends vote for him as well. If he were to win, he would be the only Republican this century to win statewide in Illinois during a Presidential election year, not an easy task, but if any Republican were to do it it's him.

[Ashmoria]

Deplorable was almost as bad as the Wall Street speaches leak. She actually had the nerve to call innocent Americans deplorable just because she thinks theyre racist and sexist. I don't hear her calling ISIS deplorable. She needs to get priorities straight.

she was calling deplorable people deplorable.

if the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

[Farnhamia]

Aka my state is safely blue so it's not really an exciting state.

Well Pennsylvania is somehow always exciting

That's what William Penn told me once. He did add, "Not quite as exciting as being beaten by the Spaniards on Hispaniola, though, from what my father told me."

[Saiwania]

Thanks to email leaks we know Hillary wants open trade and open borders. It's like she wants to create something as awful as the EU, but worse because it would have Mexico. She just wants to export our jobs because she doesn't put America first!

Lets not pretend that Trump has what is best for the US in mind either, if you talk to people from Atlantic City, New Jersey- it is a cautionary tale of what a post-Trump America could look like. People generally speaking, will not like what they see.

There is just no way that Trump is going to bring back coal when it is an obsolete form of energy anyways, and has been killed off by competition from natural gas. The final nail in the coffin for coal is regulation ensuring that coal remains dead and most of the entire world moving beyond it. This is just one example of the bad ideas and lies that Trump keeps pursuing with vigor.

The best outcome realistically speaking for a conservative at this point, is for Hillary Clinton to become president, but for the US congress to stay Republican. That would be enough of a check to keep her from being the US version of Angela Merkel. Trump being president would cause all sorts of potential havoc on the international level and sink the GOP further.

[Camicon]

Johnson may be an idiot, but he's not that stupid.

I have my doubts. The Libertarians and the Greens ... if you look up "insane" there will be a picture of one of the party logos. "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." The Great Pumpkin is not going to rise out of the most sincere pumpkin patch, Gary, Jill, and deliver the Presidency to you. He's not. Just stop wasting your people's money, run some reasonable candidates for the House, a state legislature or three. All politics is local and you people keep going for the national prize. Just stop.

Misguided though his attempts at the presidency might be, I don't think Johnson is far removed from reality as to support Trump over Clinton.

[Eol Sha]

Jay Inslee for Governor
Jay Inslee isn't really exciting, and I don't consider him that noteworthy or interesting, but he's our current governor and is likely to win again. I don't know so much on the polls, but last I saw, he had a rather solid lead to be reelected as governor of Washington. I'll most likely vote for him, but I won't be that excited about it, either.

RCP has Inslee up by 11 with the most recent poll putting him up by 10.

[Geilinor]

Wanna back that up with something other than your strong feelings?

Believe me, those feelings aren't strong.

Basically, look, you're left wing, I think you agree that Trump's a delusional narcissist, so I'll just leave that claim there. As for Clinton, well, her entire political career has been one of corruption, flip flopping, and an inability to do much good. The Clinton Foundation is as morally bankrupt as the whole of Congress, she has worse donors and lobbying groups behind her than Trump ever could, her husband is likely just as much a sexual predator as Trump is, and she only seeks elected office, nothing else, no principle.

So, thats my ethical reason behind never supporting her. Now, I also obviously disagree with her on a myriad of policy issues, meaning I'd never, ever, vote for her, nor could I ever, ever, vote for Trump.

The Clinton Foundation is not a corruption racket despite the claims of scandal there have been. The AP even took down their tweet about their article and made some clarifications. Her husband isn't running for president. However, I'm not going to put much effort in trying to convince people who have already made up their minds and Johnson is a respectable candidate.

[Corrian]

Thanks to email leaks we know Hillary wants open trade and open borders. It's like she wants to create something as awful as the EU, but worse because it would have Mexico. She just wants to export our jobs because she doesn't put America first!

A North American form of EU that lets me freely travel from Mexico and Canada sounds great to me. Also got nothing wrong with open trade if it's done properly.

[Ashmoria]

Thanks to email leaks we know Hillary wants open trade and open borders. It's like she wants to create something as awful as the EU, but worse because it would have Mexico. She just wants to export our jobs because she doesn't put America first!

Lets not pretend that Trump has what is best for the US in mind either, if you talk to people from Atlantic City, New Jersey- it is a cautionary tale of what a post-Trump America could look like. People generally speaking, will not like what they see.

There is just no way that Trump is going to bring back coal when it is an obsolete form of energy anyways, and has been killed off by competition from natural gas. The final nail in the coffin for coal is regulation ensuring that coal remains dead and most of the entire world moving beyond it. This is just one example of the bad ideas and lies that Trump keeps pursuing with vigor.

The best outcome realistically speaking for a conservative at this point, is for Hillary Clinton to become president, but for the US congress to stay Republican. That would be enough of a check to keep her from being the US version of Angela Merkel. Trump being president would cause all sorts of potential havoc on the international level and sink the GOP further.

geez sai I'm getting a bit freaked about how well you post against trump. are you planning on going to lawschool?

[Corrian]

Deplorable was almost as bad as the Wall Street speaches leak. She actually had the nerve to call innocent Americans deplorable just because she thinks theyre racist and sexist. I don't hear her calling ISIS deplorable. She needs to get priorities straight.

What, Trump supporters can't handle being called deplorable? She's just telling it like it is, after all.

[Farnhamia]

I have my doubts. The Libertarians and the Greens ... if you look up "insane" there will be a picture of one of the party logos. "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." The Great Pumpkin is not going to rise out of the most sincere pumpkin patch, Gary, Jill, and deliver the Presidency to you. He's not. Just stop wasting your people's money, run some reasonable candidates for the House, a state legislature or three. All politics is local and you people keep going for the national prize. Just stop.

Misguided though his attempts at the presidency might be, I don't think Johnson is far removed from reality as to support Trump over Clinton.

No, I do agree there.

[Ashmoria]

Thanks to email leaks we know Hillary wants open trade and open borders. It's like she wants to create something as awful as the EU, but worse because it would have Mexico. She just wants to export our jobs because she doesn't put America first!

A North American form of EU that lets me freely travel from Mexico and Canada sounds great to me. Also got nothing wrong with open trade if it's done properly.

she wasn't really advocating open borders. she was advocating open borders in regard to trade.

[Socialist Nordia]

Wanna back that up with something other than your strong feelings?

Believe me, those feelings aren't strong.

Basically, look, you're left wing, I think you agree that Trump's a delusional narcissist, so I'll just leave that claim there. As for Clinton, well, her entire political career has been one of corruption, flip flopping, and an inability to do much good. The Clinton Foundation is as morally bankrupt as the whole of Congress, she has worse donors and lobbying groups behind her than Trump ever could, her husband is likely just as much a sexual predator as Trump is, and she only seeks elected office, nothing else, no principle.

So, thats my ethical reason behind never supporting her. Now, I also obviously disagree with her on a myriad of policy issues, meaning I'd never, ever, vote for her, nor could I ever, ever, vote for Trump.

None of that shows she's a sociopath but...
The Clinton foundation is A rated,
Hillary has had a great career in public service with numerous accomplishments,
and there's no evidence of Bill being a rapist. And he's not on the ballot.

[Jordkloden]

This is how I feel about Hillary Clinton. Yes, let's vote for her, solely to prevent a Trump presidency, but for f*ck's sake, let's not pretend like this is some great milestone of American progress. Hillary Clinton is a massive piece of sh*t and we need to undermine all of her neoliberal bullsh*t while she is in office. And while she is in office, let's f*cking smash the two party system and first past the post voting system (replace it with single-transferable vote) so we never have to deal with this god-awful of an election ever again.

*mic drop*

[Arumdaum]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/asi ... ald-trump/

The GOP still had Filipino-Americans and Vietnamese-Americans supporting them last election... no longer!

[Farnhamia]

This is how I feel about Hillary Clinton. Yes, let's vote for her, solely to prevent a Trump presidency, but for f*ck's sake, let's not pretend like this is some great milestone of American progress. Hillary Clinton is a massive piece of sh*t and we need to undermine all of her neoliberal bullsh*t while she is in office. And while she is in office, let's f*cking smash the two party system and first past the post voting system (replace it with single-transferable vote) so we never have to deal with this god-awful of an election ever again.

*mic drop*

*retrieves mic* You dropped this. These things are expensive, you know. Oh, and good luck amending the Constitution. How far along is your effort to do that?

[Ashmoria]

This is how I feel about Hillary Clinton. Yes, let's vote for her, solely to prevent a Trump presidency, but for f*ck's sake, let's not pretend like this is some great milestone of American progress. Hillary Clinton is a massive piece of sh*t and we need to undermine all of her neoliberal bullsh*t while she is in office. And while she is in office, let's f*cking smash the two party system and first past the post voting system (replace it with single-transferable vote) so we never have to deal with this god-awful of an election ever again.

*mic drop*

no she isn't

she is a devoted public servant who has worked hard her whole life to improve this country. I don't know what you want in a politician but it isn't what the rest of the voting public wants.