US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Khadgar]

It's amazing how often we get Trump supporters here who won't admit to supporting Trump while cheerleading for Trump.

You admit she's done nothing illegal. You cannot defend the fact that Trump has admitted to doing illegal things and you still contend Hillary would be more scandalous. The only scandals that the Clintons have been involved in have been of the manufactured for faux outrage variety.

I'm not trying to defend Trump because I think what he did was horrid. Me finding him to be less horrid than her doesn't mean I like him. Try harder.

So what he did is horrid but not a scandal because?

Seriously I'd love an answer for how you can really think he's less scandal prone given all the shit that has been dug up in only the last six months. There's 20 years of "dirt" on Hillary and Bill and all anyone has ever proven was Bill lied about cheating on his wife.

[Lady Scylla]

So when President Clinton starts a war with Russia over a desert shithole most Americans don't care about, who here is going to be in the foxholes?

If they get desperate enough for bodies that they're willing to accept me, I'm game to fight for freedom and democracy halfway across the world.

I doubt I'd be called up even if there was a draft.

[Yorkers]

So in other words, "wait until the army has run out of poor rednecks to go die in a far off land, and then towards the end when the fighting is almost over, put me in coach."

That's pretty damn insulting on your part

How? That's the mindset of these people. They love starting wars that they themselves would barely be affected by. They rely on the patriotism of a demographic of people they constantly shit on as "bigots", "rednecks", and "white trash" to fight their foreign wars of aggression.

[Conserative Morality]

>a statement from her campaign

Someone didn't read the articles and quoted the first thing they saw.

While the review did not find instances where companies received special favors, each example illustrates the unique challenge the Democratic presidential nominee would face in dealing with potential conflicts of interest if she were to win the White House.

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It’s difficult to determine definitively whether companies or their lobbyists have benefited from a relationship with the Clintons. What’s more clear is how some of those relationships could open her to attacks over perceived favoritism if she’s elected president.

[Thermodolia]

I still don't know what any of that has to do with NSG in foxholes

The point is, Clinton's foreign policy would bring us dangerously close to war with Russia. I wonder how many Clinton supporters on NS are willing to die for non-existent moderate rebels and a vague sense of democracy in the Middle East.

Considering that I already have a military background, yes yes I would.

[Yorkers]

Why do you want to start World War III over Estonia?

Why do you want to cede the world to Russian domination?

Russia takes some ex-communist countries in East Europe

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RUSSIAN WORLD DOMINATION


The paranoia and disconnect from reality here is astounding.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

#1 Trump wants to renegotiate everything under the sun. What makes you, or him, think he can get his way? Because it's America, thus America's will is law and the rest of the world will just instantly bow to his demands? The rest of the world might just give a big ol' "fuck you" to America should that disaster sit in the White House.

I don't know if Trump will be able to renegotiate all our arrangements, but the fact that he's even talking about it means he's already better than Clinton.

#2 is what is most irksome to me. This is nationalism at its worse. Human lives matter, whichever country they live in, no matter their nationality, colour, religion, anything. Apparently the only lives that matter to you are American ones, and to hell with everyone else if they're in peril.

Why do you want to start World War III over Estonia?

No, it doesn't mean he's better, he's full of unrealistic rhetoric. "Oh well at least he talked about it" means shit in the real world.

I imagine you'd probably have said the same thing after Hitler invaded Poland. "Why do you want to start World War II over Poland?" Same logic. Putin thanks you for your acquiescence.

There isn't going to be WWIII over Estonia. If nobody stands up to our friend in the Kremlin, via diplomacy, not arms, then he's gonna have a field day. And you seem to be okay with that, so long as the USA isn't harmed. Well, if you had family in Estonia, you might feel differently, but since you don't I'd assume, to hell with their freedoms.

[Gauthier]

1. He's not pulling out of NATO, he just wants to renegotiate some provisions of its treaty, because we are obviously getting financially screwed by the current arrangement.

2. Why is Eastern Europe worth a damn to American lives?

#1 Trump wants to renegotiate everything under the sun. What makes you, or him, think he can get his way? Because it's America, thus America's will is law and the rest of the world will just instantly bow to his demands? The rest of the world might just give a big ol' "fuck you" to America should that disaster sit in the White House.

#2 is what is most irksome to me. This is nationalism at its worse. Human lives matter, whichever country they live in, no matter their nationality, colour, religion, anything. Apparently the only lives that matter to you are American ones, and to hell with everyone else if they're in peril. I am NOT advocating the US should intervene and rescue every country in peril, but to just brush away others lives simply because they aren't Americans is sad.

Not to mention some of those East European countries are NATO members, to which Trump pretty much said "Pay up more money or learn to speak Russian."

[Yorkers]

The point is, Clinton's foreign policy would bring us dangerously close to war with Russia. I wonder how many Clinton supporters on NS are willing to die for non-existent moderate rebels and a vague sense of democracy in the Middle East.

Considering that I already have a military background, yes yes I would.

So you would die for non-existent moderate rebels and a vague sense of democracy that worked so well in Iraq and Libya?

[Kravanica]

I'm not trying to defend Trump because I think what he did was horrid. Me finding him to be less horrid than her doesn't mean I like him. Try harder.

So what he did is horrid but not a scandal because?

Seriously I'd love an answer for how you can really think he's less scandal prone given all the shit that has been dug up in only the last six months. There's 20 years of "dirt" on Hillary and Bill and all anyone has ever proven was Bill lied about cheating on his wife.

Because all of the scandals he's had didn't involve exploiting the fucking government to enrich himself. Sorry, but I don't find him talking about how he likes to grab vaginas to be more scandalous than operating the State Dept. as a pay for play operation where whoever donates the most to her gets a nice, comfy position that they had no qualifications to even get. I don't want her in office just so she can sell out more of the government to the highest bidder. I'd rather an angry orange man be in there than her. I don't like it, but it's the only alternative. It's not about supporting him. It's about stopping her. Damage control, you might call it.

[Gauthier]

Why do you want to cede the world to Russian domination?

Russia takes some ex-communist countries in East Europe

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RUSSIAN WORLD DOMINATION


The paranoia and disconnect from reality here is astounding.

I guess you forgot the last two times Poland was given away to an aggressive nation.

[Khadgar]

That's pretty damn insulting on your part

How? That's the mindset of these people. They love starting wars that they themselves would barely be affected by. They rely on the patriotism of a demographic of people they constantly shit on as "bigots", "rednecks", and "white trash" to fight their foreign wars of aggression.

Remind me, which political party has started the wars in the US has been involved in for the last 20 years?

Take your time.

[Conserative Morality]

Russia takes some ex-communist countries in East Europe

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RUSSIAN WORLD DOMINATION

That's precisely the attitude that led to the Warsaw Pact becoming the West's greatest enemy for some forty-fifty years.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

Right, so, you're saying she's more scandalous than the guy who bragged on tape about committing sexual assault and getting by with it because he's famous.

How very odd.

Saying "bu-bu-but Trump" is not an argument.

Neither is 'bu-bu-but Hillary.'

[Thermodolia]

Considering that I already have a military background, yes yes I would.

So you would die for non-existent moderate rebels and a vague sense of democracy that worked so well in Iraq and Libya?

I've already answered your question. Now would you?!

[Yorkers]

#1 Trump wants to renegotiate everything under the sun. What makes you, or him, think he can get his way? Because it's America, thus America's will is law and the rest of the world will just instantly bow to his demands? The rest of the world might just give a big ol' "fuck you" to America should that disaster sit in the White House.

#2 is what is most irksome to me. This is nationalism at its worse. Human lives matter, whichever country they live in, no matter their nationality, colour, religion, anything. Apparently the only lives that matter to you are American ones, and to hell with everyone else if they're in peril. I am NOT advocating the US should intervene and rescue every country in peril, but to just brush away others lives simply because they aren't Americans is sad.

Not to mention some of those East European countries are NATO members, to which Trump pretty much said "Pay up more money or learn to speak Russian."

No, he did not. He said they should meet their required obligations of the NATO treaty. Why are you okay with the United States getting undercut like this?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Russia takes some ex-communist countries in East Europe

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RUSSIAN WORLD DOMINATION

That's precisely the attitude that led to the Warsaw Pact becoming the West's greatest enemy for some forty-fifty years.

Appeasement works so well though.

I mean, just look at the economic boom that followed the last two times we tried that route.

[Farnhamia]

Russia takes some ex-communist countries in East Europe

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RUSSIAN WORLD DOMINATION


The paranoia and disconnect from reality here is astounding.

I guess you forgot the last two times Poland was given away to an aggressive nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland

[Kravanica]

>a statement from her campaign

Someone didn't read the articles and quoted the first thing they saw.

While the review did not find instances where companies received special favors, each example illustrates the unique challenge the Democratic presidential nominee would face in dealing with potential conflicts of interest if she were to win the White House.

...

It’s difficult to determine definitively whether companies or their lobbyists have benefited from a relationship with the Clintons. What’s more clear is how some of those relationships could open her to attacks over perceived favoritism if she’s elected president.

• Microsoft has given between $1 million and $5 million to the foundations, as the tech giant also lobbied for visa issues, protection of critical infrastructure and cybersecurity, software industry licensing and government procurement.

• Pfizer, one of the world’s top biopharmaceutical companies, has also given between $1 million and $5 million to the foundations, while lobbying for such issues as intellectual property rights overseas and issues related to medicines in Turkey and India.

• ExxonMobil, the global oil and energy company based in Texas, gave the foundations between $1 million and $5 million. The company lobbied the Department of State for issues involving hydraulic fracturing, popularly known as fracking, oil sands and other provisions.

• The Northeast Maglev, a Washington, D.C.-based company that advocates for high-speed, magnetic levitation rail service in the U.S., donated as much as $100,000 while lobbying the Department of State to help provide support for the issue.

• Mexico TV network Azteca and its affiliates donated as much as $375,000 while lobbying for U.S. business opportunities, an education initiative involving students from the U.S., Mexico and Latin America, and other causes.

Or should I go back the donor who got a government position he had no qualifications for?

[Conserative Morality]

So you would die for non-existent moderate rebels and a vague sense of democracy that worked so well in Iraq and Libya?

I've been watching the Peshmerga in Iraq retake the outlying towns on the approach to Mosul. I would be willing to put my life at risk to help them.

[Yorkers]

Russia takes some ex-communist countries in East Europe

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RUSSIAN WORLD DOMINATION

That's precisely the attitude that led to the Warsaw Pact becoming the West's greatest enemy for some forty-fifty years.

Either this is the most bizarre endorsement of the domino theory I've ever seen or you seem to believe that the Warsaw Pact dominated the world at some point.

The Warsaw Pact became so powerful earlier on because the United States was literally bankrolling the Soviet war effort against the Germans.

[Khadgar]

So what he did is horrid but not a scandal because?

Seriously I'd love an answer for how you can really think he's less scandal prone given all the shit that has been dug up in only the last six months. There's 20 years of "dirt" on Hillary and Bill and all anyone has ever proven was Bill lied about cheating on his wife.

Because all of the scandals he's had didn't involve exploiting the fucking government to enrich himself. Sorry, but I don't find him talking about how he likes to grab vaginas to be more scandalous than operating the State Dept. as a pay for play operation where whoever donates the most to her gets a nice, comfy position that they had no qualifications to even get. I don't want her in office just so she can sell out more of the government to the highest bidder. I'd rather an angry orange man be in there than her. I don't like it, but it's the only alternative. It's not about supporting him. It's about stopping her. Damage control, you might call it.

Again, no proof, no evidence just a lot of supposition. We have self confessed evidence of Donald doing exactly what you're accusing Clinton of and you're blithely ignoring it.

[Thermodolia]

That's precisely the attitude that led to the Warsaw Pact becoming the West's greatest enemy for some forty-fifty years.

Appeasement works so well though.

I mean, just look at the economic boom that followed the last two times we tried that route.

The GOP has done an amazing u turn on appeasement

[Conserative Morality]

• Microsoft has given between $1 million and $5 million to the foundations, as the tech giant also lobbied for visa issues, protection of critical infrastructure and cybersecurity, software industry licensing and government procurement.

• Pfizer, one of the world’s top biopharmaceutical companies, has also given between $1 million and $5 million to the foundations, while lobbying for such issues as intellectual property rights overseas and issues related to medicines in Turkey and India.

• ExxonMobil, the global oil and energy company based in Texas, gave the foundations between $1 million and $5 million. The company lobbied the Department of State for issues involving hydraulic fracturing, popularly known as fracking, oil sands and other provisions.

• The Northeast Maglev, a Washington, D.C.-based company that advocates for high-speed, magnetic levitation rail service in the U.S., donated as much as $100,000 while lobbying the Department of State to help provide support for the issue.

• Mexico TV network Azteca and its affiliates donated as much as $375,000 while lobbying for U.S. business opportunities, an education initiative involving students from the U.S., Mexico and Latin America, and other causes.

Or should I go back the donor who got a government position he had no qualifications for?

All of those list donations.

None of those list anything actually gained from the donations.

But I guess facts are inconvenient little things.

[Yorkers]

Russia takes some ex-communist countries in East Europe

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RUSSIAN WORLD DOMINATION


The paranoia and disconnect from reality here is astounding.

I guess you forgot the last two times Poland was given away to an aggressive nation.

Wow. So you really are advocating for a world war here, aren't you?