US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You think that Clinton's implication on Wikileaks and the fact Trump had to be pressured into denouncing Russia is going to impact perceptions?

And before anyone says he did it. Yes, he did denounce Russia, but because he had no other choice but to do it. That's not really commendable in my opinion. That's as commendable as a worker doing what he's being paid to do anyways after slacking off. Sure, good job that he managed to get off his ass and do it, but he was supposed to be doing it anyways, so it's not like it's something so special that he needs praise and accolades for.

He should have disavowed Russia and Putin a long while ago.

[Galloism]

Funny little tidbit from Time magazine:

Meantime, Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill noted that advisor Philippe Reines, who played Trump in Clinton debate prep, stepped into character by attempting to mimic the Republican nominee’s wardrobe. Merrill said Reines wore a red Brioni tie—”a little too long,” he added—lifts in his shoes, Trump cufflinks and a discontinued Trump-branded watch he found on the Internet.

http://time.com/4538117/presidential-de ... on-gaggle/

[Galloism]

You think that Clinton's implication on Wikileaks and the fact Trump had to be pressured into denouncing Russia is going to impact perceptions?

And before anyone says he did it. Yes, he did denounce Russia, but because he had no other choice but to do it. That's not really commendable in my opinion. That's as commendable as a worker doing what he's being paid to do anyways after slacking off. Sure, good job that he managed to get off his ass and do it, but he was supposed to be doing it anyways, so it's not like it's something so special that he needs praise and accolades for.

He should have disavowed Russia and Putin a long while ago.

Of course he should have, and the fact that he only did so under pressure won't bother Putin a bit. It was obvious from his reluctance that he'll be a good little lapdog.

[Freefall11111]

So what I'm hearing is that Trump crashed and burned quite spectacularly, to the point of saying he would not accept any result where he didn't win.

Huh.

Well, that was the implication, but those were not his exact words.

When they asked him if he'd accept the results of the election, he said he'd have to wait and see.

Which effectively means, "If we win, it was legitimate. If we lose, it wasn't."

[Galloism]

Well, that was the implication, but those were not his exact words.

When they asked him if he'd accept the results of the election, he said he'd have to wait and see.

Which effectively means, "If we win, it was legitimate. If we lose, it wasn't."

Oh I agree with you, but being vague like that gives plausible deniability.

It is the essence of a dogwhistle.

[Saiwania]

During the final debate it seems that Donald Trump made an accidental admission about not paying any income taxes. Clinton's point was that the US has plenty of illegal immigrants who pay more in income taxes than certain billionaires like Trump. He responds- "If you don't like what I did, you should have changed the laws."

What an unbelievable moron who isn't even trying to conceal what makes him look bad. He may as well have outright admitted to outsourcing jobs and that his lip service to trade protectionism is just that, a scam to make him palatable to his supporters who he has every intention of betraying because Trump is only ever about enriching himself at other people's expense.

[Philjia]

During the final debate it seems that Donald Trump made an accidental admission about not paying any income taxes. Clinton's point was that the US has plenty of illegal immigrants who pay more in income taxes than certain billionaires like Trump. He responds- "If you don't like what I did, you should have changed the laws."

What an unbelievable moron who isn't even trying to conceal what makes him look bad. He may as well have outright admitted to outsourcing jobs and that his lip service to trade protectionism is just that, a scam to make him palatable to his supporters who he has every intention of betraying because Trump is only ever about enriching himself at other people's expense.

Remind me how you could have ever supported Trump?

[Saiwania]

Remind me how you could have ever supported Trump?

Trump was rather interesting early on. He had turned the GOP's long held policy orthodoxy such as cutting taxes and spending, adhering to free trade, etc. onto its head and seemingly discredited much of it, by winning the primary against 16 other candidates more qualified on the appeal of his message alone.

Main reason is that I failed to do enough due diligence and had too much of a rosy picture of him. There were red flags that I shouldn't have dismissed, but I really wanted to give Donald Trump a chance to run as a new, unique, and fresh kind of Republican who could win purple states.

It certainly wasn't because of his supposed bigotry or bad ideas that caused me to leave him, it was the fact that he kept making stupid decisions and never changed strategy to cease with what didn't work, but worse is that he had failed to build any real campaign infrastructure with regards to organization or ground game; and failed to put enough money into his presidential run like he was supposed to if he wanted to win.

I had figured out that Trump was behind Clinton for virtually the entire breadth of the campaign year on RealClearPolitics for a reason and concluded that he never ever was going to get his act together to become a serious candidate and that it was going to be a circus from start to finish. I wanted the RNC to not give the nomination to Trump, recognizing that if he was selected, that he'll tank any general election run and only be a liability for the party.

Trump has shaken me enough to where I just won't give any outsider candidates the benefit of the doubt. Going forward, I want to pay far more attention and really dig into a candidate's merits. I don't have the time or effort in me however- to do so for every primary hopeful. I think I'll really make my decisions when there are only 3 candidates or so, left in a field to take the nomination and try to really lean towards the best overall, and reject the bozos like Trump or Santorum.

[Dahon]

During the final debate it seems that Donald Trump made an accidental admission about not paying any income taxes. Clinton's point was that the US has plenty of illegal immigrants who pay more in income taxes than certain billionaires like Trump. He responds- "If you don't like what I did, you should have changed the laws."

What an unbelievable moron who isn't even trying to conceal what makes him look bad. He may as well have outright admitted to outsourcing jobs and that his lip service to trade protectionism is just that, a scam to make him palatable to his supporters who he has every intention of betraying because Trump is only ever about enriching himself at other people's expense.

Remind me how you could have ever supported Trump?

Sai's an African, Don's an African, they both want America bleached again, indescribable acts.

[Saiwania]

The only GOP elections during my life that I could've been apart of- was for John McCain, Mitt Romney, or Donald Trump. Trump was the first and only outsider that I witnessed rise to the top of the party and really seemingly dominate. I don't think I'd have known better at that point. But given what Trump wound up being like this year, I have great buyer's remorse and well- I know some of the pitfalls now to maybe avoid next time.

[Galloism]

Interesting tidbit I just thought about.

Clinton wore red to the first debate, blue to the second, and white to the third.

[Agritum]

Interesting tidbit I just thought about.

Clinton wore red to the first debate, blue to the second, and white to the third.

She got the order wrong, it's red, WHITE and blue!

SAD!

[PaNTuXIa]

I think last night was the best debate in this election. I think it was a tie.

Though Trump's comment about "bad hombres" was hilarious.

[Cannot think of a name]

Ok, so credit where credit's due, #DrainTheSwamp is a good slogan.

That's been around for a while. I know that Nancy Pelosi used it as a slogan when she became speaker.

[Galloism]

Ok, so credit where credit's due, #DrainTheSwamp is a good slogan.

That's been around for a while. I know that Nancy Pelosi used it as a slogan when she became speaker.

A Trump ripping off a democrat's words for their own use without attribution?

Impossible.

[Maineiacs]

I'm a little late to the post-debate party (wasn't feeling well last night), but I did want to comment on one thing Trump said last night:

"I’ll keep you in suspense. OK?”

No, Donald, that's not OK. Not even remotely.

[Jumalariik]

I'm a little late to the post-debate party (wasn't feeling well last night), but I did want to comment on one thing Trump said last night:

"I’ll keep you in suspense. OK?”

No, Donald, that's not OK. Not even remotely.

Considering the chips have been put against him, I understand his position.

[Galloism]

I'm a little late to the post-debate party (wasn't feeling well last night), but I did want to comment on one thing Trump said last night:


No, Donald, that's not OK. Not even remotely.

Considering the chips have been put against him, I understand his position.

I do not. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud to the extent necessary to rig a presidential election, which would require tens of thousands of conspirators across all fifty states with absolutely no leaks.

It's equivalent to believing we have an earthquake machine or typhoon generator.

Donald's biggest problem in this election is that he's a racist sexist bigoted loud mouthed asshole mired in conspiracy theories and is unfit to run a bagel shop much less the US Government.

[Saiwania]

Nearly 100% of Democrats and a bit more than 80% of Republicans are in agreement that Trump's refusal to recognize the election outcome was outrageous. Even if the Trump voters might stir up some trouble, the GOP seems to indicate that they do plan to accept the 2016 result with or without Donald Trump. If Trump loses by a big enough margin as he seems destined to- the party is concerned how violent it might get and it is really distressing them. It would be the opening shots of a Republican party civil war.

[Galloism]

Nearly 100% of Democrats and a bit more than 80% of Republicans are in agreement that Trump's refusal to recognize the election outcome was outrageous. Even if the Trump voters might stir up some trouble, the GOP seems to indicate that they do plan to accept the 2016 result with or without Donald Trump. If Trump loses by a big enough margin as he seems destined to- the party is concerned how violent it might get and it is really distressing them. It would be the opening shots of a Republican party civil war.

Lindsey Graham has already opened fire with some harsh words.

“Like most Americans, I have confidence in our democracy and election system. During this debate Mr. Trump is doing the party and the country a great disservice by continuing to suggest the outcome of this election is out of his hands and ‘rigged’ against him. If he loses, it will not be because the system is ‘rigged,’ but because he failed as a candidate,” Graham said in a statement.

[Maineiacs]

I'm a little late to the post-debate party (wasn't feeling well last night), but I did want to comment on one thing Trump said last night:


No, Donald, that's not OK. Not even remotely.

Considering the chips have been put against him, I understand his position.

Any "chips [that] have been put against him" have been put there by his own behavior. When and if he loses it will be his own fault, not because of non-existent "rigging", and for him to even imply that he'll refuse to accept any outcome he doesn't like just to feed his own fragile ego is so far beyond the pale there are no words to adequately describe how outrageous it is. Trump is just feeding into the Right's persecution complex, and his "position" is neither understandable nor defensible. What it is is distasteful, disgusting, and vile.

[Cannot think of a name]

Remember the Republicans had a hell of a time getting him to accept the outcome of the primaries if it wasn't him. And he only said he would when it looked like it was him.

[Maineiacs]

Nearly 100% of Democrats and a bit more than 80% of Republicans are in agreement that Trump's refusal to recognize the election outcome was outrageous. Even if the Trump voters might stir up some trouble, the GOP seems to indicate that they do plan to accept the 2016 result with or without Donald Trump. If Trump loses by a big enough margin as he seems destined to- the party is concerned how violent it might get and it is really distressing them. It would be the opening shots of a Republican party civil war.

Lindsey Graham has already opened fire with some harsh words.

“Like most Americans, I have confidence in our democracy and election system. During this debate Mr. Trump is doing the party and the country a great disservice by continuing to suggest the outcome of this election is out of his hands and ‘rigged’ against him. If he loses, it will not be because the system is ‘rigged,’ but because he failed as a candidate,” Graham said in a statement.

That's almost enough for me to have some modicum of respect for Graham. Almost.

[Galloism]

Lindsey Graham has already opened fire with some harsh words.

That's almost enough for me to have some modicum of respect for Graham. Almost.

Graham has been on fire at points in this election.

In the primaries, I remember him saying he tried to run, but no one would vote for him, so he dropped out and endorsed Jeb! No one would vote for him and he dropped out, so Graham endorsed Rubio. People stopped voting for him and he dropped out. "Every time I endorse someone, they drop out. With that in mind" and he reaches down and pulls out a hat and puts it on his head, "Lets make America great again!"


He also made the comment that the choice between Trump and Cruz is like choosing whether to be shot or poisoned.

[Galloism]

The organization that hosts the Emmys would like everyone to know it's not rigged.

That was funny too, but this quip at the bottom caught my eye:

Others to have commented include television producer Greg Berlanti, who made reference to Alec Baldwin's impersonation of Trump on Saturday Night Live.

"The closest Donald Trump will ever get to an Emmy is when Alec Baldwin wins one for playing him," tweeted the executive producer of Supergirl and Arrow.

Bazinga.