US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Eol Sha]

Not now or ten or twenty years ago.

Just two years ago they won the Asian and Native American vote nationally, along with the Hispanic vote in Texas, and possibly Nevada (there were no exit poll race questions but the Republican won with like 70% of the vote so it's likely).


There are also some small pockets of extremely Republican minorities like the Vietnamese and certain Native American tribes in the South. Cubans were once in this group but are now competitive.

Just two years ago they won the Asian and Native American vote nationally,

Color me deeply skeptical. There are certainly Asian ethnic groups that trend more Republicans, but I don't think the Republicans managed to win the overall "Asian" demographic. I'm also unconvinced on Native Americans.

along with the Hispanic vote in Texas, and possibly Nevada (there were no exit poll race questions but the Republican won with like 70% of the vote so it's likely)

Like I edited in, the state parties that manage this aren't representative of the party at large.

[The Romulan Republic]

Race only matters because racists have decided that it matters, and twisted our whole society around an issue that should matter not at all.

Arguments such as this are never ever going to win over people like me. Either the concern is addressed or if it isn't, my belief in race being a zero sum game in terms of demographics is just entrenched or reinforced. Agree or not, racial background can be treated as more than just a color. I was born into x group, so by default I'm just looking after my own on a macro scale.

Except it makes about as much sense as a tall person looking out for other tall people at the expense of short people, or people with green eyes looking out for only people with green eyes.

[Uiiop]

Since She thinks the mercury issue is serious no it hasn't. As for the latter i assume you have proof of this...can you show it to us?

Hm, guess I'm going by Jill Stein's own webpage:

http://www.jill2016.com/baseless_anti_v ... m_concerns

http://www.jill2016.com/on_911

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... questions/
As for the latter i meant evidence for what she claims...while useful for iding her position in terms of proof it's unsourced blog posting.

[The Romulan Republic]

Actually, Stein isn't a vegan. She eats fish and "occasionally" dairy.

But no burgers or steak? What heresy is this?

Another reason Stein is a poor successor to Bernie.

That man knows the joys of meat.

[Senkaku]

So the Western world isn't 80-90% white?

It is becoming less White every year, which I find to be very concerning. Many are content to ignore the trajectory of change which is happening but I see the writing on the wall- eventually, not a single corner of the planet will remain majority White. This might pan out but it might not. I don't count on any miracles so I take a pessimistic view of White prospects over the long term.

Nothing will be majority anything, in the end. We'll all be washed out by the Beige Peril.

[Corrian]

And the sun will swallow us all in a billion years anyway.

[Thermodolia]

But no burgers or steak? What heresy is this?

Another reason Stein is a poor successor to Bernie.

That man knows the joys of meat.

Oh the jokes that can be made.

[Eol Sha]

Just two years ago they won the Asian and Native American vote nationally, along with the Hispanic vote in Texas, and possibly Nevada (there were no exit poll race questions but the Republican won with like 70% of the vote so it's likely).


There are also some small pockets of extremely Republican minorities like the Vietnamese and certain Native American tribes in the South. Cubans were once in this group but are now competitive.

Just two years ago they won the Asian and Native American vote nationally,

Color me deeply skeptical. There are certainly Asian ethnic groups that trend more Republicans, but I don't think the Republicans managed to win the overall "Asian" demographic. I'm also unconvinced on Native Americans.

along with the Hispanic vote in Texas, and possibly Nevada (there were no exit poll race questions but the Republican won with like 70% of the vote so it's likely)

Like I edited in, the state parties that manage this aren't representative of the party at large.

President Obama, for example, increased his support among Asian-Americans from 2008 to 2012. Same with Hispanic-Americans.

[Arlenton]

Just two years ago they won the Asian and Native American vote nationally, along with the Hispanic vote in Texas, and possibly Nevada (there were no exit poll race questions but the Republican won with like 70% of the vote so it's likely).


There are also some small pockets of extremely Republican minorities like the Vietnamese and certain Native American tribes in the South. Cubans were once in this group but are now competitive.

Just two years ago they won the Asian and Native American vote nationally,

Color me deeply skeptical. There are certainly Asian ethnic groups that trend more Republicans, but I don't think the Republicans managed to win the overall "Asian" demographic. I'm also unconvinced on Native Americans.

along with the Hispanic vote in Texas, and possibly Nevada (there were no exit poll race questions but the Republican won with like 70% of the vote so it's likely)

Like I edited in, the state parties that manage this aren't representative of the party at large.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2014/results/race/house/#exit-polls

These are CNN's exit polls for the House races nation wide.

Look at both "Vote by Race" sections, the bottom one includes the American Indians.

Asian vote nationally: 50%-49% Republican

American Indian vote nationally: 52%-43% Republican

[Thermodolia]

And the sun will swallow us all in a billion years anyway.

Like Johnson said "Fixing shit doesn't matter because we all are going to die"

[Arlenton]

Color me deeply skeptical. There are certainly Asian ethnic groups that trend more Republicans, but I don't think the Republicans managed to win the overall "Asian" demographic. I'm also unconvinced on Native Americans.


Like I edited in, the state parties that manage this aren't representative of the party at large.

President Obama, for example, increased his support among Asian-Americans from 2008 to 2012. Same with Hispanic-Americans.

Thanks to Romney taking a more anti-immigrant stance during the primaries to appeal to the anti-immigrant voters. More of a reason to dump the anti-immigrant faction of the party.

[Eol Sha]

Color me deeply skeptical. There are certainly Asian ethnic groups that trend more Republicans, but I don't think the Republicans managed to win the overall "Asian" demographic. I'm also unconvinced on Native Americans.


Like I edited in, the state parties that manage this aren't representative of the party at large.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2014/results/race/house/#exit-polls

These are CNN's exit polls for the House races nation wide.

Look at both "Vote by Race" sections, the bottom one includes the American Indians.

Asian vote nationally: 50%-49% Republican

American Indian vote nationally: 52%-43% Republican

Can you get me numbers from a presidential year when people are actually paying attention to American elections? You can only glean so much from midterm elections when the out-of-power party tends to perform better than they would in presidential years and Americans, in general, are less likely to vote.

[Eol Sha]

And the sun will swallow us all in a billion years anyway.

Like Johnson said "Fixing shit doesn't matter because we all are going to die"

Ugh. Don't remind me.

[Saiwania]

Like Johnson said "Fixing shit doesn't matter because we all are going to die"

It is completely wrong and absurd thinking because problems do need to get resolved and people want to be able to enjoy a better world and if they're not able to- for at least descendants to be able to inherit progress and build on it, rather than starting from scratch because everything became wrecked or got worse.

[San Lumen]

The debate line of the night was Trump saying he wouldn't commit to accepting the results of the election. That's unprecedented and horrifying talk. I never thought I would ever see a presidential candidate talk like that on live tv. I think without a doubt he lost the election tonight and he takes the whole party down with him and I quite frankly welcome it.

[Arlenton]

http://www.cnn.com/election/2014/results/race/house/#exit-polls

These are CNN's exit polls for the House races nation wide.

Look at both "Vote by Race" sections, the bottom one includes the American Indians.

Asian vote nationally: 50%-49% Republican

American Indian vote nationally: 52%-43% Republican

Can you get me numbers from a presidential year when people are actually paying attention to American elections? You can only glean so much from midterm elections when the out-of-power party tends to perform better than they would in presidential years.

It doesn't matter. It's like I said, the GOP is able to win minority votes. Midterm elections are still elections.

The last time a Republican won a minority category nationally for sure was Bob Dole in 1996 with the Asian vote.

George Bush allegedly won the Muslim vote in 2000 but I haven't looked too much into it. And anyway they could be group into the "Asian category".
http://www.meforum.org/13/how-did-muslims-vote-in-2000

Edit: "Muslim" isn't a race but is a very nonwhite religion. Didn't think that through when I typed this.

[Corrian]

Now I think the Republican Party is trying to tank most minority groups from supporting them.

[San Lumen]

Now I think the Republican Party is trying to tank most minority groups from supporting them.

Well then they can say goodbye to winning ever again. They cannot win without minority votes.

[Othelos]

Like Johnson said "Fixing shit doesn't matter because we all are going to die"

It is completely wrong and absurd thinking because problems do need to get resolved and people want to be able to enjoy a better world and if they're not able to- for at least descendants to be able to inherit progress and build on it, rather than starting from scratch because everything became wrecked or got worse.

One way to improve our lives is to continue integrating non-whites into our society, considering non-whites are where most population growth in the US (and the world) is coming from.

[San Lumen]

Can you get me numbers from a presidential year when people are actually paying attention to American elections? You can only glean so much from midterm elections when the out-of-power party tends to perform better than they would in presidential years.

It doesn't matter. It's like I said, the GOP is able to win minority votes. Midterm elections are still elections.

The last time a Republican won a minority category nationally for sure was Bob Dole in 1996 with the Asian vote.

George Bush allegedly won the Muslim vote in 2000 but I haven't looked too much into it. And anyway they could be group into the "Asian category".
http://www.meforum.org/13/how-did-muslims-vote-in-2000

Edit: "Muslim" isn't a race but is a very nonwhite religion. Didn't think that through when I typed this.

That exit poll is on a turnout of 37 percent nationwide.

[Arlenton]

It doesn't matter. It's like I said, the GOP is able to win minority votes. Midterm elections are still elections.

The last time a Republican won a minority category nationally for sure was Bob Dole in 1996 with the Asian vote.

George Bush allegedly won the Muslim vote in 2000 but I haven't looked too much into it. And anyway they could be group into the "Asian category".
http://www.meforum.org/13/how-did-muslims-vote-in-2000

Edit: "Muslim" isn't a race but is a very nonwhite religion. Didn't think that through when I typed this.

That exit poll is on a turnout of 37 percent nationwide.

And? Were the minorities who did vote not really minorities?

[San Lumen]

That exit poll is on a turnout of 37 percent nationwide.

And? Were the minorities who did vote not really minorities?

I did not say that.

[Arlenton]

And? Were the minorities who did vote not really minorities?

I did not say that.

Then what does the turnout rate have to do with whether or not the GOP wins over minority groups?

[Gauthier]

So either Trump lied as usual, or Melania is in denial.

I say both

Wait until Trump is revealed having an affair with a Miss Teen USA contestant!

[Saiwania]

One way to improve our lives is to continue integrating non-whites into our society, considering non-whites are where most population growth in the US (and the world) is coming from.

Doing so would come at the expense of Whites because it would have the effect of shrinking the White population further than otherwise. I don't think it is viable or realistic to put a stop to all non-White advancement, but I do want it to be somewhat slowed or managed in a controlled way so that Whites at least have some sliver left rather than being completely overrun and perhaps ceasing to exist as a consequence.