US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[AiliailiA]

Vogue Endorses Hillary

Vogue has no history of political endorsements. Editors in chief have made their opinions known from time to time, but the magazine has never spoken in an election with a single voice. Given the profound stakes of this one, and the history that stands to be made, we feel that should change.

Vogue endorses Hillary Clinton for president of the United States

"Two words give us hope: Madam President. Women won the vote in 1920. It has taken nearly a century to bring us to the brink of a woman leading our country for the first time. Let’s put this election behind us and become the America we want to be: optimistic, forward-looking, and modern."

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Now the biggest name in Fashion magazines is endorsing Hillary!

They have a vested interest.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

She is still very good looking for a woman nearing her 70s in my opinion.

Agreed, although I'm sure there's some Botox in there and other treatments, but not as bad as John Kerry. He looks like his face has been laminated, God love him.

There are rumors of a major facelift, but that's all they are, rumors, based on her photos over time.

[San Lumen]

Vogue Endorses Hillary


Now the biggest name in Fashion magazines is endorsing Hillary!

They have a vested interest.

That's so cool and a huge endorsement. Have they ever endorsed before?

[Outer Sparta]

They have a vested interest.

That's so cool and a huge endorsement. Have they ever endorsed before?

Not once before.

[Freefall11111]

Trump's attorney's defense is that the sexual assault allegations can't be true because they're too ugly to be groped.


How is this guy a lawyer?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Trump's attorney's defense is that the sexual assault allegations can't be true because they're too ugly to be groped.


How is this guy a lawyer?

Trump University, of course.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Trump's attorney's defense is that the sexual assault allegations can't be true because they're too ugly to be groped.


How is this guy a lawyer?

Sounds like something a lawyer would say.

[Genivaria]

Trump's attorney's defense is that the sexual assault allegations can't be true because they're too ugly to be groped.


How is this guy a lawyer?

Sounds like something a lawyer would say.

Most lawyers at least TRY to be subtle about their scumfuckery.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Trump's attorney's defense is that the sexual assault allegations can't be true because they're too ugly to be groped.


How is this guy a lawyer?

Sounds like something a lawyer would say.

Not a competent one.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Trump's attorney's defense is that the sexual assault allegations can't be true because they're too ugly to be groped.


How is this guy a lawyer?

Some lawyers fail at logic even when they pass the LSAT.

Hell, just look at our illustrious resident who believes dogs should be banned and that ties and suits are oppressive.

[Maichuko]

Does Trump spend all his free time on twitter? every 30 minutes he's posting something about Hillary being corrupt or this election being rigged.

[The United Territories of Providence]

I actually asked an almost identical question in April of 2015, during the very beginning of the Primary Season. I didn't anticipate dead Scalia, so I missed that. Bernie Sanders was in the low single digits, Jeb Bush and Scott Walker were battling for the #1 spot in the GOP Primary, and Barack Obama had approval in the 40s. It almost seems like an eternity ago. Anyway, something told me that this would be a strange election season and I thought it would only be because of the large GOP primary...but anyway, I was curious to how our views of the issues would shift as time went on. Here's a link to the original thread, and here are the results...

Healthcare: 14/400
Foreign Policy (ISIL,Iran,Yemen,Russia etc.): 134/400
Debt/Deficit: 22/400
Economy (Unemployment,Wages,Trade, Taxes etc): 119/400
Immigration: 15/400
Climate Change: 24/400
Civil Rights & Civil Liberties: 55/400
Other: 13/400

It's just interesting to look at the current poll and compare the results. See what groups have grown and others shrunk. There was also a separate question. Because the Thread was focused on the announcement of HRC.
Do you support Hillary Clinton?
Yes, I support Hillary Clinton: 172/472
No, I do not support Hillary Clinton: 300/472

Now that question was answered by Liberals and Conservatives, but given the lean of NS is pretty liberal, it seems clear the opposition to HRC started early and wasn't dependent on Bernie Sanders who was not yet in the race. Whether or not that opposition has subsided, that is...for another poll.

EDIT: wow, it's weird to go back and read that OP

I'd like to know when you decided to switch from Paul to Sanders.

There are stages. First, Rand Paul. Second, Lost in The Wilderness. Third, Bernie Sanders (Anti-Hillary). Then finally, from Bernie to Hillary.

This is Stage 1 Me on Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:44 pm

"When given the choice between assorted pieces of dog shit (Bush, Walker, Cruz, Christie, Rubio etc.), Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul....It's rather easy for me to choose Rand Paul. You have to make the best of a bad situation, and with this current field of candidates....I Support Paul. You've got to get behind someone you feel can do what's best for America, and frankly I don' trust Hillary Clinton."

This is Stage 2 Me on Mon May 11, 2015 10:00 pm

"I used to support Rand, but he isn't the Senator I remember from 2012. Before he joined the race he truly was libertarian, before he officially announced the only thing libertarian was his rhetoric, and after he announced...he was more conservative than Ted Cruz. His vote record doesn't match what he says, and he's become a part of the Establishment.

The least disgusting candidate in the bunch is Jeb Bush. They all offend me, but if Bush took home the big prize in 2016....I'd just be glad it wasn't Walker"

This is Stage 3 Me on Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:35 am

"I'll be voting for Bernie Sanders. I don't know if it's wrong to say "I don't like Clinton and I don't think I ever will". I just don't trust her. She's had plenty of experience in Washington, but that doesn't make her a good candidate. I remember the Hillary from 2008, and from before then....that's not who I want to be my president.

She's too friendly with the financial sector....the one that catapulted us into recession 7 years ago. I don't trust her on Foreign policy, especially regarding the Middle East. Furthermore, I don't know what her economic plan is. I can't count on her to pursue a progressive budget like Sanders, and we need something better than Bill's economic agenda, and most definitely something other than what the current administration has in place.

Hillary is not a progressive, she's barely a liberal. She's a Democrat running in 2016 with politics from 1996, with some buzz words like "reform", "inequality", and "middle class" to try and rile up the base...but I hope they know better."

This is Final Me on Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:17 pm

"I said I'd wait until after New York, I said if he could get within 5 points in New York, I said that while basically improbable, I'd wait until the results came in because remembering Michigan...surprises happen. But I knew the demographics, I knew it was a closed primary, and I knew the voter history. The results are in, and I accept them.

Therefore, in the interest of promoting the ideals of democracy within the democratic party, and with every intention to prevent a Republican from succeeding President Obama. I'm changing my candidate, and I'm throwing myself behind Secretary Clinton.

She will be our nominee, and in the interest of the millions of Americans who aren't millionaires or billionaires, who are women, who are racial minorities, who are gay, and who are anything but Christian...the people who are traditionally fucked over by Republican policies...I can't see how I can put ideology ahead of actual people. She will be the most qualified person to enter the Oval Office, other than a Vice President since....ever. She is a liberal, perhaps not as progressive as Bernie Sanders, but that is a benchmark that is hard to meet because his views trend towards the extreme left. She has spent her life, fighting for women and children. When she was a young woman in Arkansas, she was apart of thee Children's defense fund. In spite of advice from her husband, the President of the United States, and in defiance of the Government of China, she stood on live television and declared before the world "Women's rights are human rights and human rights are women's rights!" Standing in a country, notorious for it's awful human rights record. When she was a Senator, she had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. She was no Barack Obama, or Ted Kennedy, or Bernie Sanders...but she was no coward. She would very loudly and very often make her disagreements with the decisions of the Bush administration known. She didn't have the best record on Wall Street, it didn't take an economist to know that our economy was heading towards recession. However, when it did, she voted for every single piece of legislation necessary for America to rebound. She stood with President Obama and American workers when they saved the auto industry, she stood with President Bush and small business owners when she voted to save the financial sector, and she stood with President Obama while he was pursuing a foreign policy that would ultimately make the world a more stable place even with the rise of Islamic radicalism. When the party was coming apart in 2008, she dismissed the "PUMAs" and gave Barack Obama the best endorsement of any other politician, because she knew the importance of putting a person of principle behind the Resolute desk.

Hillary is everything that the Republicans are not, she has everything that they lack. She accepts the science of climate change, and she is willing to act because she knows that it is the greatest threat of our lifetime. She understands that all Americans are equal, that LGBTQ+ Americans deserve the same rights and protections as anyone else. She recognizes that healthcare is a human right, and she is going to fight to strengthen the President's healthcare law in the hopes that it can become more like the systems in Western Europe. She knows that Black Americans don't want to live in fear of the police, have limited economic opportunities, and she knows that Latino Americans don't want to be demonized by their government, or disadvantaged by an economic system and a justice system that makes them losers more often than winners. She knows that we have to not only fight ISIS, but fight radical Islamic terrorism. She knows that the best way to prevent terror, is not to carpet bomb civilians, but to change ideas through education and eliminating poverty. She knows that sustained economic growth is not accomplished through the voodoo economics of high defense spending, low taxes, low regulation, and cuts to our safety nets. She knows that the best investment we can make in America is to invest in our youth, and that means making college affordable for every child in America who wants to live up to their God given potential. She knows that a woman has a right to make her own medical decisions, and that means funding planned parenthood and enforcing the laws of this country. She knows that no American, should work 40 hours a week to make poverty wages, so she supports a $12 minimum wage with room to grow. She knows that the people on Wall Street and K Street have been giving Americans a raw deal, and she believes that no bank is too big to jail and no executive is too powerful to jail. She understands the importance of appointing Supreme Court Justices who aren't compromises, but who are liberal and can't be bought. She understands the importance, of reforming our campaign finance system and killing Citizens United.

I could go all day. Hillary is well qualified, she is a liberal, and she will be an improvement on the legacies of her husband and Barack Obama. She will win the primaries, and she must win in November. I believe that Bernie Sanders should stay in the race, he makes her a better candidate, but I have accepted reality. He will not win, he is a loser in delegates and the popular vote. If you have to pick over how the count should count caucuses and "voter fraud" and all these incremental things in order to argue that your candidate should be the nominee...you've already lost. The system is not rigged, the system is working. People have voted, and the party has chosen. Furthermore, his supporters, a very specific few on this forum, I find truly repulsive. Knowing that they supported a candidate that I supported, made me question my own choices. The kind of ugliness, hypocrisy, self-righteousness,pettiness, bitterness, and inability to overcome this unearned persecution complex...it was a major turn off. If it had not been for them, perhaps I could have made it until June. But now, I understand the gravity of this race. Will we risk fucking over millions of Americans to make an ideological point that amounts to sour grapes that will leave the country in worse shape than when THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED IN 2000. Or will we accept Hillary, understanding that she is not a democratic socialist, but she is in the right place on nearly every issue. I choose Hillary Every time.

I will enthusiastically support her, I will volunteer for her in the general, and I'll do anything and everything I can to make sure that she become the 45th President of the United States.

Hillary 2016!"

TL;DR Essentially, June. But I was never anti-Bernie, when he started running I was rooting for him.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Does Trump spend all his free time on twitter? every 30 minutes he's posting something about Hillary being corrupt or this election being rigged.

The question is not "does Trump spend all his time on Twitter?", but rather "Does Trump think Twitter is the entire universe, and that by broadcasting on Twitter how horrible Clinton is that he's going to win enough people to vote on November 8 to tip the scales against her?"

Seriously, it's like Trump honestly believes that by going on Twitter and tweet about Hillary's corruption every 30 minutes he's somehow going to change the public perception against him. He has all the free time in the world he can use as "campaigning time", and yet he doesn't do groundwork, which you would think he'd do given the people on Twitter has already hit a ceiling and it's the people who DON'T have Twitter or, in fact, any internet access, the ones who he should be reaching out TO. He's a lazy fuck, and I cannot believe someone like that won the GOP nomination.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'd like to know when you decided to switch from Paul to Sanders.

There are stages. First, Rand Paul. Second, Lost in The Wilderness. Third, Bernie Sanders (Anti-Hillary). Then finally, from Bernie to Hillary.

This is Stage 1 Me on Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:44 pm

"When given the choice between assorted pieces of dog shit (Bush, Walker, Cruz, Christie, Rubio etc.), Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul....It's rather easy for me to choose Rand Paul. You have to make the best of a bad situation, and with this current field of candidates....I Support Paul. You've got to get behind someone you feel can do what's best for America, and frankly I don' trust Hillary Clinton."

This is Stage 2 Me on Mon May 11, 2015 10:00 pm

"I used to support Rand, but he isn't the Senator I remember from 2012. Before he joined the race he truly was libertarian, before he officially announced the only thing libertarian was his rhetoric, and after he announced...he was more conservative than Ted Cruz. His vote record doesn't match what he says, and he's become a part of the Establishment.

The least disgusting candidate in the bunch is Jeb Bush. They all offend me, but if Bush took home the big prize in 2016....I'd just be glad it wasn't Walker"

This is Stage 3 Me on Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:35 am

"I'll be voting for Bernie Sanders. I don't know if it's wrong to say "I don't like Clinton and I don't think I ever will". I just don't trust her. She's had plenty of experience in Washington, but that doesn't make her a good candidate. I remember the Hillary from 2008, and from before then....that's not who I want to be my president.

She's too friendly with the financial sector....the one that catapulted us into recession 7 years ago. I don't trust her on Foreign policy, especially regarding the Middle East. Furthermore, I don't know what her economic plan is. I can't count on her to pursue a progressive budget like Sanders, and we need something better than Bill's economic agenda, and most definitely something other than what the current administration has in place.

Hillary is not a progressive, she's barely a liberal. She's a Democrat running in 2016 with politics from 1996, with some buzz words like "reform", "inequality", and "middle class" to try and rile up the base...but I hope they know better."

This is Final Me on Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:17 pm

"I said I'd wait until after New York, I said if he could get within 5 points in New York, I said that while basically improbable, I'd wait until the results came in because remembering Michigan...surprises happen. But I knew the demographics, I knew it was a closed primary, and I knew the voter history. The results are in, and I accept them.

Therefore, in the interest of promoting the ideals of democracy within the democratic party, and with every intention to prevent a Republican from succeeding President Obama. I'm changing my candidate, and I'm throwing myself behind Secretary Clinton.

She will be our nominee, and in the interest of the millions of Americans who aren't millionaires or billionaires, who are women, who are racial minorities, who are gay, and who are anything but Christian...the people who are traditionally fucked over by Republican policies...I can't see how I can put ideology ahead of actual people. She will be the most qualified person to enter the Oval Office, other than a Vice President since....ever. She is a liberal, perhaps not as progressive as Bernie Sanders, but that is a benchmark that is hard to meet because his views trend towards the extreme left. She has spent her life, fighting for women and children. When she was a young woman in Arkansas, she was apart of thee Children's defense fund. In spite of advice from her husband, the President of the United States, and in defiance of the Government of China, she stood on live television and declared before the world "Women's rights are human rights and human rights are women's rights!" Standing in a country, notorious for it's awful human rights record. When she was a Senator, she had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. She was no Barack Obama, or Ted Kennedy, or Bernie Sanders...but she was no coward. She would very loudly and very often make her disagreements with the decisions of the Bush administration known. She didn't have the best record on Wall Street, it didn't take an economist to know that our economy was heading towards recession. However, when it did, she voted for every single piece of legislation necessary for America to rebound. She stood with President Obama and American workers when they saved the auto industry, she stood with President Bush and small business owners when she voted to save the financial sector, and she stood with President Obama while he was pursuing a foreign policy that would ultimately make the world a more stable place even with the rise of Islamic radicalism. When the party was coming apart in 2008, she dismissed the "PUMAs" and gave Barack Obama the best endorsement of any other politician, because she knew the importance of putting a person of principle behind the Resolute desk.

Hillary is everything that the Republicans are not, she has everything that they lack. She accepts the science of climate change, and she is willing to act because she knows that it is the greatest threat of our lifetime. She understands that all Americans are equal, that LGBTQ+ Americans deserve the same rights and protections as anyone else. She recognizes that healthcare is a human right, and she is going to fight to strengthen the President's healthcare law in the hopes that it can become more like the systems in Western Europe. She knows that Black Americans don't want to live in fear of the police, have limited economic opportunities, and she knows that Latino Americans don't want to be demonized by their government, or disadvantaged by an economic system and a justice system that makes them losers more often than winners. She knows that we have to not only fight ISIS, but fight radical Islamic terrorism. She knows that the best way to prevent terror, is not to carpet bomb civilians, but to change ideas through education and eliminating poverty. She knows that sustained economic growth is not accomplished through the voodoo economics of high defense spending, low taxes, low regulation, and cuts to our safety nets. She knows that the best investment we can make in America is to invest in our youth, and that means making college affordable for every child in America who wants to live up to their God given potential. She knows that a woman has a right to make her own medical decisions, and that means funding planned parenthood and enforcing the laws of this country. She knows that no American, should work 40 hours a week to make poverty wages, so she supports a $12 minimum wage with room to grow. She knows that the people on Wall Street and K Street have been giving Americans a raw deal, and she believes that no bank is too big to jail and no executive is too powerful to jail. She understands the importance of appointing Supreme Court Justices who aren't compromises, but who are liberal and can't be bought. She understands the importance, of reforming our campaign finance system and killing Citizens United.

I could go all day. Hillary is well qualified, she is a liberal, and she will be an improvement on the legacies of her husband and Barack Obama. She will win the primaries, and she must win in November. I believe that Bernie Sanders should stay in the race, he makes her a better candidate, but I have accepted reality. He will not win, he is a loser in delegates and the popular vote. If you have to pick over how the count should count caucuses and "voter fraud" and all these incremental things in order to argue that your candidate should be the nominee...you've already lost. The system is not rigged, the system is working. People have voted, and the party has chosen. Furthermore, his supporters, a very specific few on this forum, I find truly repulsive. Knowing that they supported a candidate that I supported, made me question my own choices. The kind of ugliness, hypocrisy, self-righteousness,pettiness, bitterness, and inability to overcome this unearned persecution complex...it was a major turn off. If it had not been for them, perhaps I could have made it until June. But now, I understand the gravity of this race. Will we risk fucking over millions of Americans to make an ideological point that amounts to sour grapes that will leave the country in worse shape than when THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED IN 2000. Or will we accept Hillary, understanding that she is not a democratic socialist, but she is in the right place on nearly every issue. I choose Hillary Every time.

I will enthusiastically support her, I will volunteer for her in the general, and I'll do anything and everything I can to make sure that she become the 45th President of the United States.

Hillary 2016!"

TL;DR Essentially, June. But I was never anti-Bernie, when he started running I was rooting for him.

The April 21 post of yours and the opinions therein. Can I share them? I think they accurately voice out what I, too, think about this election. To be fair, I was rooting for Sanders too, but after Clinton's victory, I was pretty sure who I was standing behind.

Trump? I had my skepticism towards Trump. I probably gave him too much rope. However, I got hung by the feet with it and in the rush of blood to my head, I was appalled by the effects of his campaign on people. Friends who are loyal Republicans being harassed because they wanted to disavow themselves from Trump and watching them become mockery when I, too, supported the Republican John Kasich during the primaries because I thought he was better than Clinton. The people who have become violent, disaffected with a system that everyone knows is designed to be a stable republic. The uprise of the alt-right, and the purge of actual rational Republicans out of a party I used to respect.

Essentially, I find myself voting for Clinton for the same reasons you have posted. She might not be what I wanted precisely, but out of the two choices in this race, I would take her over Donald. She is more than qualified for the race. As a person who values practical solutions over ideology, I think Clinton is the better choice, myself.

I don't think Trump will undermine the Republic, the Republic will survive, but I'd rather have a competent person in office than a bloviating buffoon.

[The United Territories of Providence]

There are stages. First, Rand Paul. Second, Lost in The Wilderness. Third, Bernie Sanders (Anti-Hillary). Then finally, from Bernie to Hillary.

This is Stage 1 Me on Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:44 pm

"When given the choice between assorted pieces of dog shit (Bush, Walker, Cruz, Christie, Rubio etc.), Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul....It's rather easy for me to choose Rand Paul. You have to make the best of a bad situation, and with this current field of candidates....I Support Paul. You've got to get behind someone you feel can do what's best for America, and frankly I don' trust Hillary Clinton."

This is Stage 2 Me on Mon May 11, 2015 10:00 pm

"I used to support Rand, but he isn't the Senator I remember from 2012. Before he joined the race he truly was libertarian, before he officially announced the only thing libertarian was his rhetoric, and after he announced...he was more conservative than Ted Cruz. His vote record doesn't match what he says, and he's become a part of the Establishment.

The least disgusting candidate in the bunch is Jeb Bush. They all offend me, but if Bush took home the big prize in 2016....I'd just be glad it wasn't Walker"

This is Stage 3 Me on Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:35 am

"I'll be voting for Bernie Sanders. I don't know if it's wrong to say "I don't like Clinton and I don't think I ever will". I just don't trust her. She's had plenty of experience in Washington, but that doesn't make her a good candidate. I remember the Hillary from 2008, and from before then....that's not who I want to be my president.

She's too friendly with the financial sector....the one that catapulted us into recession 7 years ago. I don't trust her on Foreign policy, especially regarding the Middle East. Furthermore, I don't know what her economic plan is. I can't count on her to pursue a progressive budget like Sanders, and we need something better than Bill's economic agenda, and most definitely something other than what the current administration has in place.

Hillary is not a progressive, she's barely a liberal. She's a Democrat running in 2016 with politics from 1996, with some buzz words like "reform", "inequality", and "middle class" to try and rile up the base...but I hope they know better."

This is Final Me on Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:17 pm

"I said I'd wait until after New York, I said if he could get within 5 points in New York, I said that while basically improbable, I'd wait until the results came in because remembering Michigan...surprises happen. But I knew the demographics, I knew it was a closed primary, and I knew the voter history. The results are in, and I accept them.

Therefore, in the interest of promoting the ideals of democracy within the democratic party, and with every intention to prevent a Republican from succeeding President Obama. I'm changing my candidate, and I'm throwing myself behind Secretary Clinton.

She will be our nominee, and in the interest of the millions of Americans who aren't millionaires or billionaires, who are women, who are racial minorities, who are gay, and who are anything but Christian...the people who are traditionally fucked over by Republican policies...I can't see how I can put ideology ahead of actual people. She will be the most qualified person to enter the Oval Office, other than a Vice President since....ever. She is a liberal, perhaps not as progressive as Bernie Sanders, but that is a benchmark that is hard to meet because his views trend towards the extreme left. She has spent her life, fighting for women and children. When she was a young woman in Arkansas, she was apart of thee Children's defense fund. In spite of advice from her husband, the President of the United States, and in defiance of the Government of China, she stood on live television and declared before the world "Women's rights are human rights and human rights are women's rights!" Standing in a country, notorious for it's awful human rights record. When she was a Senator, she had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. She was no Barack Obama, or Ted Kennedy, or Bernie Sanders...but she was no coward. She would very loudly and very often make her disagreements with the decisions of the Bush administration known. She didn't have the best record on Wall Street, it didn't take an economist to know that our economy was heading towards recession. However, when it did, she voted for every single piece of legislation necessary for America to rebound. She stood with President Obama and American workers when they saved the auto industry, she stood with President Bush and small business owners when she voted to save the financial sector, and she stood with President Obama while he was pursuing a foreign policy that would ultimately make the world a more stable place even with the rise of Islamic radicalism. When the party was coming apart in 2008, she dismissed the "PUMAs" and gave Barack Obama the best endorsement of any other politician, because she knew the importance of putting a person of principle behind the Resolute desk.

Hillary is everything that the Republicans are not, she has everything that they lack. She accepts the science of climate change, and she is willing to act because she knows that it is the greatest threat of our lifetime. She understands that all Americans are equal, that LGBTQ+ Americans deserve the same rights and protections as anyone else. She recognizes that healthcare is a human right, and she is going to fight to strengthen the President's healthcare law in the hopes that it can become more like the systems in Western Europe. She knows that Black Americans don't want to live in fear of the police, have limited economic opportunities, and she knows that Latino Americans don't want to be demonized by their government, or disadvantaged by an economic system and a justice system that makes them losers more often than winners. She knows that we have to not only fight ISIS, but fight radical Islamic terrorism. She knows that the best way to prevent terror, is not to carpet bomb civilians, but to change ideas through education and eliminating poverty. She knows that sustained economic growth is not accomplished through the voodoo economics of high defense spending, low taxes, low regulation, and cuts to our safety nets. She knows that the best investment we can make in America is to invest in our youth, and that means making college affordable for every child in America who wants to live up to their God given potential. She knows that a woman has a right to make her own medical decisions, and that means funding planned parenthood and enforcing the laws of this country. She knows that no American, should work 40 hours a week to make poverty wages, so she supports a $12 minimum wage with room to grow. She knows that the people on Wall Street and K Street have been giving Americans a raw deal, and she believes that no bank is too big to jail and no executive is too powerful to jail. She understands the importance of appointing Supreme Court Justices who aren't compromises, but who are liberal and can't be bought. She understands the importance, of reforming our campaign finance system and killing Citizens United.

I could go all day. Hillary is well qualified, she is a liberal, and she will be an improvement on the legacies of her husband and Barack Obama. She will win the primaries, and she must win in November. I believe that Bernie Sanders should stay in the race, he makes her a better candidate, but I have accepted reality. He will not win, he is a loser in delegates and the popular vote. If you have to pick over how the count should count caucuses and "voter fraud" and all these incremental things in order to argue that your candidate should be the nominee...you've already lost. The system is not rigged, the system is working. People have voted, and the party has chosen. Furthermore, his supporters, a very specific few on this forum, I find truly repulsive. Knowing that they supported a candidate that I supported, made me question my own choices. The kind of ugliness, hypocrisy, self-righteousness,pettiness, bitterness, and inability to overcome this unearned persecution complex...it was a major turn off. If it had not been for them, perhaps I could have made it until June. But now, I understand the gravity of this race. Will we risk fucking over millions of Americans to make an ideological point that amounts to sour grapes that will leave the country in worse shape than when THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED IN 2000. Or will we accept Hillary, understanding that she is not a democratic socialist, but she is in the right place on nearly every issue. I choose Hillary Every time.

I will enthusiastically support her, I will volunteer for her in the general, and I'll do anything and everything I can to make sure that she become the 45th President of the United States.

Hillary 2016!"

TL;DR Essentially, June. But I was never anti-Bernie, when he started running I was rooting for him.

The April 21 post of yours and the opinions therein. Can I share them? I think they accurately voice out what I, too, think about this election. To be fair, I was rooting for Sanders too, but after Clinton's victory, I was pretty sure who I was standing behind.

Trump? I had my skepticism towards Trump. I probably gave him too much rope. However, I got hung by the feet with it and in the rush of blood to my head, I was appalled by the effects of his campaign on people. Friends who are loyal Republicans being harassed because they wanted to disavow themselves from Trump and watching them become mockery when I, too, supported the Republican John Kasich during the primaries because I thought he was better than Clinton. The people who have become violent, disaffected with a system that everyone knows is designed to be a stable republic. The uprise of the alt-right, and the purge of actual rational Republicans out of a party I used to respect.

Essentially, I find myself voting for Clinton for the same reasons you have posted. She might not be what I wanted precisely, but out of the two choices in this race, I would take her over Donald. She is more than qualified for the race. As a person who values practical solutions over ideology, I think Clinton is the better choice, myself.

I don't think Trump will undermine the Republic, the Republic will survive, but I'd rather have a competent person in office than a bloviating buffoon.

Feel free, typos and all. I was feeling really passionate that day. That post was made before I was sure that Trump would be the nominee, I thought we would have a contested convention. I think it's important that people can make the case for Clinton...without bringing up how ridiculous the opposition is. Because I'm not just against the GOP, I'm for Hillary...and seeing the issues...I think if you supported Bernie, at this point...you should also be for Hillary. But that's just me and I understand people who aren't there yet and may never be there. But I vehemently disagree with them and I refer them to the Naderism of 2000 and how well that worked out for America.

[Galloism]

Wall of Taco Trucks appears around Trump's Vegas hotel.

[Saiwania]

He's a lazy fuck, and I cannot believe someone like that won the GOP nomination.

The Republican primaries were just a perfect storm. Many attempts were made to ensure Trump would lose early on but as he kept getting closer and further along to winning the nomination- Republican leaders wound up like Vizzini yelling "Inconceivable!"

Everything seemed to line up perfectly, the field having 17 candidates splitting the vote, rivals not coordinating with each other to take down Trump, rivals being reluctant to attack Trump, rivals that attacked Trump not being able to utilize his same bullying tactics as effectively, Trump's sheer dumb luck and inertia propelling him forward to a place where under normal circumstances, he has no business being in. And then the RNC failing to take the nomination away from him for a real candidate who is more electable like John Kasich, Marco Rubio, or even Ted Cruz.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Feel free, typos and all. I was feeling really passionate that day. That post was made before I was sure that Trump would be the nominee, I thought we would have a contested convention. I think it's important that people can make the case for Clinton...without bringing up how ridiculous the opposition is. Because I'm not just against the GOP, I'm for Hillary...and seeing the issues...I think if you supported Bernie, at this point...you should also be for Hillary. But that's just me and I understand people who aren't there yet and may never be there. But I vehemently disagree with them and I refer them to the Naderism of 2000 and how well that worked out for America.

Personally, the day I became convinced Hillary was the best chance to have is when I myself made a list of what Clinton has that makes her a good president.

One thing that stood out is that she was going to bring Bill into office. Now, I know about the Lewinski scandal and all, but Clinton was a rather good president in my opinion, who knew how to compromise when the country needed it and who, with the help of Congress, managed to balance the budget. She's bringing 8 years of experience into the Oval Office that, even if she doesn't know what to do, she can rely on her husband for advice on the difficult times ahead.

Besides that, she has made a career for herself in politics and in the foreign arena far better than anyone else. She began as the wife of a State Governor, then as the First Lady of the United States, then broke out her own career as a U.S. Senator -- the first time in my lifetime a former First Lady herself managed to enter a political career on her own merits, then a vicious Presidential Primary as the opponent of Obama, then as a Secretary of State who traveled all over the world and so she understands the global issues facing our country and our future as a superpower, the founding the Clinton Foundation, which was relevant in and of itself for several efforts, and it still is despite the current allegations.

She has been at every relevant level of policy-making and diplomacy that is important for the United States. In my studies of U.S. History of the 20th century, I cannot find someone who, while hawkish, is more of a peace-dove than she has been (by peace-dove, I mean she has taken a non-military career). I would say, she is the equivalent of Ike in the political realm. Ike had a lot of military accolades and positions, from private to the top brass of the military to becoming the Supreme Commander of the Forces of NATO before being our president. I feel Hillary Clinton, with her gaffes and all, has an equivalent career in diplomacy and politics.

I'm actually proud to support her and to argue the way I do in her favor, because, honestly, she deserves it despite the scandals. She has much to offer, and I am sure that she's a pragmatist at heart given her experience. She doesn't let idealism cloud her judgement, which I think is valuable for a president, and I honestly, full-heartedly believe in her and in the America she can forge during her 8 years in office and afterwards. She's not the messiah of the United States, and I made no such presumptions with Obama either, in spite of everyone else telling me so, because they're humans, and humans are flawed. But, I do believe she'll do a decent job, and a far better one in foreign policy than Obama has done.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

He's a lazy fuck, and I cannot believe someone like that won the GOP nomination.

The Republican primaries were just a perfect storm. Many attempts were made to ensure Trump would lose early on but as he kept getting closer and further along to winning the nomination- Republican leaders wound up like Vizzini yelling "Inconceivable!"

Everything seemed to line up perfectly, the field having 17 candidates splitting the vote, rivals not coordinating with each other to take down Trump, rivals being reluctant to attack Trump, rivals that attacked Trump not being able to utilize his same bullying tactics as effectively, Trump's sheer dumb luck and inertia propelling him forward to a place where under normal circumstances, he has no business being in. And then the RNC failing to take the nomination away from him for a real candidate who is more electable like John Kasich, Marco Rubio, or even Ted Cruz.

In view of that, I cannot say that you're wrong.

Honestly, Kasich seemed like a moderate choice for the Republican party. And someone who, despite my misgivings with the Republican party and some of his policy positions, I feel I could have given a chance and quite possibly would have voted for him on November 8 depending on how well he'd do in the general election.

He may not be the best choice in several policy choices, but I think he knew what to do in regards of the immigration issue, and how that'd help the economy. He was an economic candidate, and I actually think that'd have won many votes away from Clinton.

As you say though, it was the perfect storm, and when Trump won, the only chance for Republicans to be winners this election slinked away from them. Too bad for them, because many independent Latinos like myself were warming up to Kasich's immigration proposals and would have voted Republican. If Republicans would have been really honest about their agenda to get Latinos to vote for them, they should have propped up Kasich as their preferred candidate and go all out against Trump and cull the herd.

[Wisconsin9]

Wall of Taco Trucks appears around Trump's Vegas hotel.

Wait, what? Trump supporters seriously think that taco trucks on every corner would be a bad thing? The only possible downside I could see is that they might crowd out the falafel guys.

[Galloism]

What the map would look like if children voted.

[Genivaria]

What the map would look like if children voted.

TX students are blue, I don't think I've ever been so proud of my fellow young Texans before.
*sniff* I think I have something in my eye.

[Wisconsin9]

What the map would look like if children voted.

It doesn't say who the DC kids voted for, does it? Because I'm curious.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What the map would look like if children voted.

You know? I am still a bit appalled kids have been bullying other kids based on race.

I know kids are horrible, but what Trump has done is plant the seeds of racial division in children.

I hope my kids. if I have any, don't have to go through that in their lifetimes.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What the map would look like if children voted.

TX students are blue, I don't think I've ever been so proud of my fellow young Texans before.
*sniff* I think I have something in my eye.

Texas students are more educated than I was, and that is a good thing.