US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[San Lumen]

There is absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever.

Except for all those people who have been arrested for voter fraud over the years of course.

Yeah 31 cases in the last four elections out of nearly a billion votes. Clear evidence of widespread fraud.

[Eol Sha]

Well, that's demonstrably fault. There is evidence of voter fraud.

No there is not. It does not happen on a scale that Trump is suggesting. In the last four elections studies have found 31 cases of fraudulent votes out of nearly one billion votes cast. It is extremely dangerous to suggest rigged elections or widespread voter fraud. It simply does not happen.

What's dangerous is either side making claims that are false like you just did.

Anyway, I edited in a bit more to that post because I figured you'd respond with something like this.

Well, that's demonstrably fault. There is evidence of voter fraud. It's exceedingly rare, but it's happened.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Except for all those people who have been arrested for voter fraud over the years of course.

Yeah 31 cases in the last four elections out of nearly a billion votes. Clear evidence of widespread fraud.

I never said there was widespread fraud.

[Jerzylvania]

Trump Jr. on day of Aurora theater shooting: “Overall I give the movie two thumbs up.”

Spoken like an elitist spoiled brat super asshole with his head rammed way WAY up his ass. It's amazing the microphone even picked up his shitty voice.

[San Lumen]

No there is not. It does not happen on a scale that Trump is suggesting. In the last four elections studies have found 31 cases of fraudulent votes out of nearly one billion votes cast. It is extremely dangerous to suggest rigged elections or widespread voter fraud. It simply does not happen.

What's dangerous is either side making claims that are false like you just did.

Anyway, I edited in a bit more to that post because I figured you'd respond with something like this.

Well, that's demonstrably fault. There is evidence of voter fraud. It's exceedingly rare, but it's happened.

It is false. Study after study has shown widespread voter fraud does not happen. 31 cases out of a billion votes is not evidence of it. There is no way to rig an election in the United States especially via in person voter fraud. Plus Trump is telling his supporters to commit voter intimation which is a crime.

[Eol Sha]

What's dangerous is either side making claims that are false like you just did.

Anyway, I edited in a bit more to that post because I figured you'd respond with something like this.

It is false. Study after study has shown widespread voter fraud does not happen. 31 cases out of a billion votes is not evidence of it. There is no way to rig an election in the United States especially via in person voter fraud.

You did not qualify the term "voter fraud" with "widespread". You just said there's "absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever". That is demonstrably false.

[Thermodolia]

Well, that's demonstrably fault. There is evidence of voter fraud.

No there is not. It does not happen on a scale that Trump is suggesting. In the last four elections studies have found 31 cases of fraudulent votes out of nearly one billion votes cast. It is extremely dangerous to suggest rigged elections or widespread voter fraud. It simply does not happen.

That's like saying that people don't die from cows because it doesn't happen that often.

[San Lumen]

It is false. Study after study has shown widespread voter fraud does not happen. 31 cases out of a billion votes is not evidence of it. There is no way to rig an election in the United States especially via in person voter fraud.

You did not qualify the term "voter fraud" with "widespread". You just said there's "absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever". That is demonstrably false.

If you want to get technical then yes. There is however no evidence of the scale of fraud Trump is suggesting. Rigging an election is impossible in the United States and telling his supporters to commit voter intimation is very scary and unprecedented.

[MERIZoC]

You did not qualify the term "voter fraud" with "widespread". You just said there's "absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever". That is demonstrably false.

If you want to get technical then yes. There is however no evidence of the scale of fraud Trump is suggesting. Rigging an election is impossible in the United States and telling his supporters to commit voter intimation is very scary and unprecedented/

Yeah, pretty sure everyone understands that, they're just correcting your false statement.

[Eol Sha]

If you want to get technical then yes. There is however no evidence of the scale of fraud Trump is suggesting. Rigging an election is impossible in the United States and telling his supporters to commit voter intimation is very scary and unprecedented/

Yeah, pretty sure everyone understands that, they're just correcting your false statement.

Exactly.

[Cannot think of a name]

It is false. Study after study has shown widespread voter fraud does not happen. 31 cases out of a billion votes is not evidence of it. There is no way to rig an election in the United States especially via in person voter fraud.

You did not qualify the term "voter fraud" with "widespread". You just said there's "absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever". That is demonstrably false.

Wow. The discussion has certainly advanced in a meaningful way now that this semantic point has been won.

[Eol Sha]

You did not qualify the term "voter fraud" with "widespread". You just said there's "absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever". That is demonstrably false.

Wow. The discussion has certainly advanced in a meaningful way now that this semantic point has been won.

Of course it has. I've proven my superiority.

[Saiwania]

The amount of voter fraud which exists, does not truly matter if it doesn't occur to a large enough extent to swing an election. All evidence points to it having almost zero effect on the final outcome of an election. It is just a fact that in the US today, there are now more registered Democrats than there are registered Republicans, which is why the GOP is more reliant on Independents to close the gap in terms of votes.

The voter ID laws proposed by Republicans on the other hand, have been demonstrated to have the effect of swinging the outcome of elections, which is why so many, if not all of these efforts have been struck down and invalidated by courts.

[Zurkerx]

I'm just going to throw this out here and see what people think: Trump's ceiling is 45%. I don't see him getting pass this number though if he does, he won't get higher than Romney's 47.2%.

[Salandriagado]

There isnt anything wrong with it. Its nonsense to be suggesting voter fraud and Trump is encouraging voter intimation which is a crime.

Your entire basis for saying it's nonsense to suggest voter fraud is because you've been a poll worker.

That's not how it works.

And, you know, the massive study that found that actual voter fraud is around 1 in 30 million votes.

[Freefall11111]

I'm just going to throw this out here and see what people think: Trump's ceiling is 45%. I don't see him getting pass this number though if he does, he won't get higher than Romney's 47.2%.

Sounds about right.

[Outer Sparta]

I'm just going to throw this out here and see what people think: Trump's ceiling is 45%. I don't see him getting pass this number though if he does, he won't get higher than Romney's 47.2%.

He won't break 50. That's all.

[Eol Sha]

I'm just going to throw this out here and see what people think: Trump's ceiling is 45%. I don't see him getting pass this number though if he does, he won't get higher than Romney's 47.2%.

He won't break 50. That's all.

That's not much of a prediction.

[Saiwania]

My bet is that Trump will not be reaching his ceiling. If anything, he is going to reach his floor or close to it- which is roughly 38%. He will have to really work at it to go any lower, but I think he could manage to fall if more Trump controversies get leaked and he is seen as being so outrageous by almost everyone to varying degrees.

[Outer Sparta]

He won't break 50. That's all.

That's not much of a prediction.

No, but I think 43 is the right percentage for his popular vote, of course the number could go down.

[Corrian]

Considering the post-debate bounce was expected to be at 2 to 4% in a narrow race, and Clinton has managed to gain 7% instead, Trump clearly doesn't know how to gain anything.

[Outer Sparta]

Considering the post-debate bounce was expected to be at 2 to 4% in a narrow race, and Clinton has managed to gain 7% instead, Trump clearly doesn't know how to gain anything.

Another bounce for Clinton, but this time, Trump has no answers.

[Gauthier]

Considering the post-debate bounce was expected to be at 2 to 4% in a narrow race, and Clinton has managed to gain 7% instead, Trump clearly doesn't know how to gain anything.

Trump's more used to getting things by destroying a current venture and then getting his lawyers to suck off all the money from its corpse.

[Jerzylvania]

I'm just going to throw this out here and see what people think: Trump's ceiling is 45%. I don't see him getting pass this number though if he does, he won't get higher than Romney's 47.2%.

I'm going with Trump's ceiling being at 42.42%
Phonetically it's "death.death" in Japanese.

[Eol Sha]

Considering the post-debate bounce was expected to be at 2 to 4% in a narrow race, and Clinton has managed to gain 7% instead, Trump clearly doesn't know how to gain anything.

Trump's more used to getting things by destroying a current venture and then getting his lawyers to suck off all the money from its corpse.

Given how he runs his campaign this is just par for the course.