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What is The Biggest, Most Imminent, Geopolitical Threat To The United States?

Russia
33
13%
China
17
7%
North Korea
2
1%
ISIS
13
5%
Climate Change
45
18%
Iran
1
0%
Immigrants/Refugees
12
5%
Domestic Terror
12
5%
Hillary Clinton
46
18%
Donald Trump
75
29%
 
Total votes : 256

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:00 pm

Galloism wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I....thought you were a Republican.

He is. He just hates Trump - like immensely.

I can honestly say that it was kind of a bellwether to me. When Trump lost Saiwania, I became almost certain he lost the election.


I took it as quite the surprise honestly.

Although, Saiwania has shown, throughout my stay in NSG, that while he's a racist, and he's open about it in here, he's sensible enough to not let it cloud his judgement.

I'll admit, Saiwania might be the only racist I actually respect.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:03 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:Casual reminder that O'Keefe was planning on seducing a CNN correspondent with "pornography, sexual aids, condoms, a blindfold and "fuzzy" handcuffs" on a boat. He was planning on recording the event with hidden cameras and using it to discredit CNN.

And, no, it's not a conspiracy theory. O'Keefe's organisation paid the person who leaked the plans a settlement which included an NDA.

Which correspondent?
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Postby Freefall11111 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:05 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Casual reminder that O'Keefe was planning on seducing a CNN correspondent with "pornography, sexual aids, condoms, a blindfold and "fuzzy" handcuffs" on a boat. He was planning on recording the event with hidden cameras and using it to discredit CNN.

And, no, it's not a conspiracy theory. O'Keefe's organisation paid the person who leaked the plans a settlement which included an NDA.

Which correspondent?

Abbie Boudreau.

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:06 pm

Genivaria wrote:I....thought you were a Republican.


The party is in a very bad way this cycle and perhaps the next. We're just not going to win this year and the top of the ticket sucks and is at fault for being a lousy candidate running a bad campaign. I didn't expect for Trump to win so much as be competitive like Mitt Romney was and I recognize that he's failed to do so against Clinton and it is too late. Trump is toast and there will be a great reckoning for the people who enabled his rise to prominence.

If there is ever a Trump like candidate making it past the primary process again- the party needs to just go ahead and take the nomination away from them, even if it is undemocratic and some of the base gets alienated. It is time to call their bluff already and let them leave if they're so inclined. The Democrats aren't going to want them either and if they go third party, they aren't going to get anywhere. They can be on board or they can go away.

The whole problem as I see it, is that the Republican party is being held hostage by incompetents and for the GOP to really get results again, the establishment will have to retake control and purge Trump, his supporters, the alt right, and the TEA party types. 2016 shall be the year where the leadership was vindicated about an outsider candidate blowing everything, which is precisely why outsiders aren't allowed the nomination under normal circumstances. A change of leadership is also in order, Reince Priebus needs to be fired.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:15 pm

Galloism wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I....thought you were a Republican.

He is. He just hates Trump - like immensely.

I can honestly say that it was kind of a bellwether to me. When Trump lost Saiwania, I became almost certain he lost the election.

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I....thought you were a Republican.


He's not the only Republican who thinks this.

Freefall11111 wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I....thought you were a Republican.

A switch flipped in him a while ago and suddenly he became staunchly anti-Trump.

What is this strange new world that I live in?
All the rules seem to have gone out the window. :blink: :blink: :blink:
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:18 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I....thought you were a Republican.


The party is in a very bad way this cycle and perhaps the next. We're just not going to win this year and the top of the ticket sucks and is at fault for being a lousy candidate running a bad campaign. I didn't expect for Trump to win so much as be competitive like Mitt Romney was and I recognize that he's failed to do so against Clinton and it is too late. Trump is toast and there will be a great reckoning for the people who enabled his rise to prominence.

If there is ever a Trump like candidate making it past the primary process again- the party needs to just go ahead and take the nomination away from them, even if it is undemocratic and some of the base gets alienated. It is time to call their bluff already and let them leave if they're so inclined. The Democrats aren't going to want them either and if they go third party, they aren't going to get anywhere. They can be on board or they can go away.

The whole problem as I see it, is that the Republican party is being held hostage by incompetents and for the GOP to really get results again, the establishment will have to retake control and purge Trump, his supporters, the alt right, and the TEA party types. 2016 shall be the year where the leadership was vindicated about an outsider candidate blowing everything, which is precisely why outsiders aren't allowed the nomination under normal circumstances. A change of leadership is also in order, Reince Priebus needs to be fired.

Not just the leadership I think.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:19 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Genivaria wrote:wat

I thought the House was term limited for some idiotic reason. I'm doing a bit of offline research to figure out how the hell I got to that misunderstanding, if even for just a few minutes.


That may be bc your subconscious recalls it was actually part of Newt's "Contract for on Amreica" in 1994 which they failed to enact.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:22 pm

Galloism wrote:

I would vote for a third term of Obama if were allowed.


I mean, there's no reason you can't vote for him. It just wont be counted, and if it were, he couldn't accept.
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Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:23 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Galloism wrote:I would vote for a third term of Obama if were allowed.


I mean, there's no reason you can't vote for him. It just wont be counted, and if it were, he couldn't accept.

You know what I meant. If he could get reelected, he'd have my vote.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:25 pm

Galloism wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
I mean, there's no reason you can't vote for him. It just wont be counted, and if it were, he couldn't accept.

You know what I meant. If he could get reelected, he'd have my vote.


I think that's true for a lot of people. In fact, I suspect he'd win.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:28 pm

I hope Clinton brings up Trumps's voter fraud allegations. its extremely dangerous for any candidate to be talking like that. Its impossible to rig a election in the United States and in person voter fraud does not happen. I would know i've been a poll worker on election day.

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Postby Jerzylvania » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:31 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
And they turn out to be Umbrella grade killing machines that don't look adorable or sexy.


Noone ever said my death wasn't going to be because of a mundane desire to screw a catgirl gone wrong.


Some Cinncinati Bengal cheerleader.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:33 pm

Saiwania wrote:If there is ever a Trump like candidate making it past the primary process again- the party needs to just go ahead and take the nomination away from them, even if it is undemocratic and some of the base gets alienated. It is time to call their bluff already and let them leave if they're so inclined. The Democrats aren't going to want them either and if they go third party, they aren't going to get anywhere. They can be on board or they can go away.
Or they'll go to the bullet box and we'll have the civil war that some nutcases on both sides have been craving.

San Lumen wrote:I hope Clinton brings up Trumps's voter fraud allegations. its extremely dangerous for any candidate to be talking like that. Its impossible to rig a election in the United States and in person voter fraud does not happen. I would know i've been a poll worker on election day.

It's not impossible to rig an election, just improbable.

The truth is that the overwhelming cases of Voter Fraud aren't done in face to face voting but through absentee voting.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:I hope Clinton brings up Trumps's voter fraud allegations. its extremely dangerous for any candidate to be talking like that. Its impossible to rig a election in the United States and in person voter fraud does not happen. I would know i've been a poll worker on election day.


Please tell me you can see what's wrong with that line of thinking.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:36 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Saiwania wrote:If there is ever a Trump like candidate making it past the primary process again- the party needs to just go ahead and take the nomination away from them, even if it is undemocratic and some of the base gets alienated. It is time to call their bluff already and let them leave if they're so inclined. The Democrats aren't going to want them either and if they go third party, they aren't going to get anywhere. They can be on board or they can go away.
Or they'll go to the bullet box and we'll have the civil war that some nutcases on both sides have been craving.


The National Guard got a lot of practice over in Iraq a few years back. I'll wager on them with home field advantage this time and give up whatever the points.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I hope Clinton brings up Trumps's voter fraud allegations. its extremely dangerous for any candidate to be talking like that. Its impossible to rig a election in the United States and in person voter fraud does not happen. I would know i've been a poll worker on election day.


Please tell me you can see what's wrong with that line of thinking.

There isnt anything wrong with it. Its nonsense to be suggesting voter fraud and Trump is encouraging voter intimation which is a crime.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Please tell me you can see what's wrong with that line of thinking.

There isnt anything wrong with it. Its nonsense to be suggesting voter fraud and Trump is encouraging voter intimation which is a crime.


Your entire basis for saying it's nonsense to suggest voter fraud is because you've been a poll worker.

That's not how it works.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:45 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There isnt anything wrong with it. Its nonsense to be suggesting voter fraud and Trump is encouraging voter intimation which is a crime.


Your entire basis for saying it's nonsense to suggest voter fraud is because you've been a poll worker.

That's not how it works.

There is absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever.

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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:47 pm

You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Maichuko » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:48 pm

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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Your entire basis for saying it's nonsense to suggest voter fraud is because you've been a poll worker.

That's not how it works.

There is absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever.

Well, that's demonstrably fault. There is evidence of voter fraud. It's exceedingly rare, but it's happened.
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You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Your entire basis for saying it's nonsense to suggest voter fraud is because you've been a poll worker.

That's not how it works.

There is absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever.


Except for all those people who have been arrested for voter fraud over the years of course.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:50 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There is absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever.

Well, that's demonstrably fault. There is evidence of voter fraud.

No there is not. It does not happen on a scale that Trump is suggesting. In the last four elections studies have found 31 cases of fraudulent votes out of nearly one billion votes cast. It is extremely dangerous to suggest rigged elections or widespread voter fraud. It simply does not happen.
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