US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Freefall11111]

President Obama has already said he will help lead initiatives against gerrymandering after he leaves office.

I'm okay with gerrymandering for the most part, with the caveat that the effect is temporary rather than being a permanent advantage. It makes sense from my perspective that if a party wins during a census year that they could tilt the political map very slightly to their favor. If a political party consistently wins, they get to reap the rewards of being in power. I'd expect that the Democrats would be able to do gerrymandering of their own and it isn't exclusive to Republicans.

It's not "very slightly", and I don't see why you think any degree of gerrymandering, temporary or permanent, is justifiable. You haven't actually explained your reasoning for this belief.

[Galloism]

President Obama has already said he will help lead initiatives against gerrymandering after he leaves office.

I'm okay with gerrymandering for the most part, with the caveat that the effect is temporary rather than being a permanent advantage. It makes sense from my perspective that if a party wins during a census year that they could tilt the political map very slightly to their favor. If a political party consistently wins, they get to reap the rewards of being in power. I'd expect that the Democrats would be able to do gerrymandering of their own and it isn't exclusive to Republicans.

You know, maybe the makeup of congress should reflect the wishes of the electorate instead.

Just an idea.

[New West Guiana]

I'm okay with gerrymandering for the most part, with the caveat that the effect is temporary rather than being a permanent advantage. It makes sense from my perspective that if a party wins during a census year that they could tilt the political map very slightly to their favor. If a political party consistently wins, they get to reap the rewards of being in power. I'd expect that the Democrats would be able to do gerrymandering of their own and it isn't exclusive to Republicans.

You know, maybe the makeup of congress should reflect the wishes of the electorate instead.

Just an idea.

*In Russian accent* In America politicians choose voters.

[Eol Sha]

Not just difficult, but almost impossibly difficult. Like one in millions difficult.

No, more like 31 in 1 billion to be exact.

Trump and Pence both say there is massive voter fraud, however in 2014 a professor at the Loyola Law School, Justin Levitt, concluded through comprehensive research, that out of 1 billion votes cast since 2000, he could only find 31 cases of voter fraud.

That's one in millions.

[The Lone Alliance]

So apparently Trump says he plans make it so that Congress can't become lobbyists after leaving office in order to keep corruption down.

Sure Donald, Sure, why not suggest something realistic, like your giant wall, or genetically engineered Catgirls.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Giant blowhard no one should listen to makes documentary film about giant blowhard no one should listen to.

Moore has several times stated on facebook he would rather have Trump win, never really said why, but like any Hollywood star all the money he could make like he did under Bush.

It's rather obvious he wants Trump to win to be able to say in 50 million movies about his bloviating assholery "see, I told you so you guys! America is going down the shitter!"

Seriously, a self-proclaimed leftist wanting the alt-right's primadonna to win? That sends red flags.

[Freefall11111]

So apparently Trump says he plans make it so that Congress can't become lobbyists after leaving office in order to keep corruption down.

Sure Donald, Sure, why not suggest something realistic, like your giant wall, or genetically engineered Catgirls.

Genetically engineered catgirls are more likely than the wall. Seriously, though.

[Freefall11111]

Moore has several times stated on facebook he would rather have Trump win, never really said why, but like any Hollywood star all the money he could make like he did under Bush.

It's rather obvious he wants Trump to win to be able to say in 50 million movies about his bloviating assholery "see, I told you so you guys! America is going down the shitter!"

Seriously, a self-proclaimed leftist wanting the alt-right's primadonna to win? That sends red flags.

It's the "burn it down!" mentality of a lot of the far-left. Incremental progress isn't enough, compromise isn't enough. They want it all, they want it now, and screw anyone who disagrees, they're all shills.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So apparently Trump says he plans make it so that Congress can't become lobbyists after leaving office in order to keep corruption down.

Sure Donald, Sure, why not suggest something realistic, like your giant wall, or genetically engineered Catgirls.

Hey, I'd be down for some genetically engineered catgirls.

I'd vote for a candidate who'd promise me research into it.

[New West Guiana]

It's the "burn it down!" mentality of a lot of the far-left. Incremental progress isn't enough, compromise isn't enough. They want it all, they want it now, and screw anyone who disagrees, they're all shills.

If anyone wants proof of that mentality just head on over to any number of Jill Stien groups on facebook.

[Gauthier]

I'm okay with gerrymandering for the most part, with the caveat that the effect is temporary rather than being a permanent advantage. It makes sense from my perspective that if a party wins during a census year that they could tilt the political map very slightly to their favor. If a political party consistently wins, they get to reap the rewards of being in power. I'd expect that the Democrats would be able to do gerrymandering of their own and it isn't exclusive to Republicans.

You know, maybe the makeup of congress should reflect the wishes of the electorate instead.

Just an idea.

So batshit bigots?

[Gauthier]

So apparently Trump says he plans make it so that Congress can't become lobbyists after leaving office in order to keep corruption down.

Sure Donald, Sure, why not suggest something realistic, like your giant wall, or genetically engineered Catgirls.

Hey, I'd be down for some genetically engineered catgirls.

I'd vote for a candidate who'd promise me research into it.

And they turn out to be Umbrella grade killing machines that don't look adorable or sexy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Hey, I'd be down for some genetically engineered catgirls.

I'd vote for a candidate who'd promise me research into it.

And they turn out to be Umbrella grade killing machines that don't look adorable or sexy.

Noone ever said my death wasn't going to be because of a mundane desire to screw a catgirl gone wrong.

[Freefall11111]

Casual reminder that O'Keefe was planning on seducing a CNN correspondent with "pornography, sexual aids, condoms, a blindfold and "fuzzy" handcuffs" on a boat. He was planning on recording the event with hidden cameras and using it to discredit CNN.

And, no, it's not a conspiracy theory. O'Keefe's organisation paid the person who leaked the plans a settlement which included an NDA.

[Taziristan]

Casual reminder that O'Keefe was planning on seducing a CNN correspondent with "pornography, sexual aids, condoms, a blindfold and "fuzzy" handcuffs" on a boat. He was planning on recording the event with hidden cameras and using it to discredit CNN.

And, no, it's not a conspiracy theory. O'Keefe's organisation paid the person who leaked the plans a settlement which included an NDA.

Ah bdsm. Love the life. You kinda need consent tho, so not sure what seduced means.

[Freefall11111]

Casual reminder that O'Keefe was planning on seducing a CNN correspondent with "pornography, sexual aids, condoms, a blindfold and "fuzzy" handcuffs" on a boat. He was planning on recording the event with hidden cameras and using it to discredit CNN.

And, no, it's not a conspiracy theory. O'Keefe's organisation paid the person who leaked the plans a settlement which included an NDA.

Ah bdsm. Love the life. You kinda need consent tho, so not sure what seduced means.

It's not so much the having sex with BDSM elements that's disturbing, it's that he was planning on recording it with hidden cameras and attempting to use it to either discredit CNN or blackmail her.

Not exactly sure what goes through his head. If he had been successful, the backlash (legal and otherwise) against him would be overwhelming.

[Eol Sha]

For anyone who wants to watch, Cenk Uygur of TYT is going to be doing a town hall with Jill Stein this Friday at 6PM EST. If you want to submit a question then go here.

[Genivaria]

I hope that Trump tanks the GOP to almost the maximum extent possible because I calculate that it could give the establishment wing the leverage to really purge the party of the alt right and the Trump supporters and enablers. The party has to be retaken from whichever group hijacked it in order to rebuild itself.

I....thought you were a Republican.

[Galloism]

You know, maybe the makeup of congress should reflect the wishes of the electorate instead.

Just an idea.

So batshit bigots?

...

Ok so maybe there is a flaw in my thinking.

[Galloism]

I hope that Trump tanks the GOP to almost the maximum extent possible because I calculate that it could give the establishment wing the leverage to really purge the party of the alt right and the Trump supporters and enablers. The party has to be retaken from whichever group hijacked it in order to rebuild itself.

I....thought you were a Republican.

He is. He just hates Trump - like immensely.

I can honestly say that it was kind of a bellwether to me. When Trump lost Saiwania, I became almost certain he lost the election.

[Freefall11111]

I hope that Trump tanks the GOP to almost the maximum extent possible because I calculate that it could give the establishment wing the leverage to really purge the party of the alt right and the Trump supporters and enablers. The party has to be retaken from whichever group hijacked it in order to rebuild itself.

I....thought you were a Republican.

A switch flipped in him a while ago and suddenly he became staunchly anti-Trump.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Casual reminder that O'Keefe was planning on seducing a CNN correspondent with "pornography, sexual aids, condoms, a blindfold and "fuzzy" handcuffs" on a boat. He was planning on recording the event with hidden cameras and using it to discredit CNN.

And, no, it's not a conspiracy theory. O'Keefe's organisation paid the person who leaked the plans a settlement which included an NDA.

Isn't that illegal as shit?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I hope that Trump tanks the GOP to almost the maximum extent possible because I calculate that it could give the establishment wing the leverage to really purge the party of the alt right and the Trump supporters and enablers. The party has to be retaken from whichever group hijacked it in order to rebuild itself.

I....thought you were a Republican.

He's not the only Republican who thinks this.

[Freefall11111]

Casual reminder that O'Keefe was planning on seducing a CNN correspondent with "pornography, sexual aids, condoms, a blindfold and "fuzzy" handcuffs" on a boat. He was planning on recording the event with hidden cameras and using it to discredit CNN.

And, no, it's not a conspiracy theory. O'Keefe's organisation paid the person who leaked the plans a settlement which included an NDA.

Isn't that illegal as shit?

It's not like he cares. He was convicted in 2010 and given three years' probation, 100 hours of community service and a $1,500 fine.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I....thought you were a Republican.

He is. He just hates Trump - like immensely.

I can honestly say that it was kind of a bellwether to me. When Trump lost Saiwania, I became almost certain he lost the election.

Like LBJ losing Cronkite over Vietnam.