US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Lady Scylla]

Russian scapegoating?

You don't like the Russian government or foreign policy?

You're a Russophobe!

This is why I say it like this.

Russian people = Cool
Russian government = Cunts

[The Romulan Republic]

You don't like the Russian government or foreign policy?

You're a Russophobe!

This is why I say it like this.

Russian people = Cool
Russian government = Cunts

Pretty much.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Looking at the demographics of the electorate, even understanding how unpopular Hillary is...I'm not fully convinced that she could've been beaten by Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio in a General Election. Things would be closer, I mean...how could it not be closer? But, would Ted Cruz have fired up young people or black people? Doubtful. Would Marco Rubio get out the women's vote with his draconian views on abortion or latinos with his lack of backbone on immigration? I don't think so.

Hillary Clinton isn't a great candidate, and frankly...Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been a great candidate either. As much as I agree with his ideas, I think there is a reason he lost the primary. There are enough older voters and middle of the road voters in America, who have a much more negative view of socialism (just the term, not the ideals) than younger Americans. Given that they actually turn out to vote in higher numbers...that'd be an issue. Not only that, but I'm sure a Rubio or Cruz campaign would do a much better job with opposition research than Trump has.

But my point is....Democrats should have always had a slight advantage in the 2016 election, and they'll have an edge in 2020 when every millennial will be of voting age. You put generic Democrat up against generic Republican, and the Democrat...if models are to be believed...should be leading by 2-3 points. Now I think that when you look at the type of candidate that Republicans are willing to nominate, or rather who got the most votes after Trump this year...Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich...One is an extremist with ridiculously low favorability and believes in conspiracy theories, One is a charismatic craven extremist pretender, and the other is a George Bush in Jeb Bush clothing and actually has a pretty not so good record in Ohio.

I think 2020, if Hillary can manage to...not be as awful as her detractors think she'll be...then she'll be fine. 2024, might be a bitch...because eventually the GOP will change and learn from their mistakes....in theory. It's what the Democrats did in 1992.

[The Romulan Republic]

Looking at the demographics of the electorate, even understanding how unpopular Hillary is...I'm not fully convinced that she could've been beaten by Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio in a General Election. Things would be closer, I mean...how could it not be closer? But, would Ted Cruz have fired up young people or black people? Doubtful. Would Marco Rubio get out the women's vote with his draconian views on abortion or latinos with his lack of backbone on immigration? I don't think so.

Hillary Clinton isn't a great candidate, and frankly...Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been a great candidate either. As much as I agree with his ideas, I think there is a reason he lost the primary. There are enough older voters and middle of the road voters in America, who have a much more negative view of socialism (just the term, not the ideals) than younger Americans. Given that they actually turn out to vote in higher numbers...that'd be an issue. Not only that, but I'm sure a Rubio or Cruz campaign would do a much better job with opposition research than Trump has.

But my point is....Democrats should have always had a slight advantage in the 2016 election, and they'll have an edge in 2020 when every millennial will be of voting age. You put generic Democrat up against generic Republican, and the Democrat...if models are to be believed...should be leading by 2-3 points. Now I think that when you look at the type of candidate that Republicans are willing to nominate, or rather who got the most votes after Trump this year...Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich...One is an extremist with ridiculously low favorability and believes in conspiracy theories, One is a charismatic craven extremist pretender, and the other is a George Bush in Jeb Bush clothing and actually has a pretty not so good record in Ohio.

I think 2020, if Hillary can manage to...not be as awful as her detractors think she'll be...then she'll be fine. 2024, might be a bitch...because eventually the GOP will change and learn from their mistakes....in theory. It's what the Democrats did in 1992.

If the Republicans don't learn from their mistakes, I don't expect the party to be around to any significant extent in 2024.

[Jerzylvania]

You don't like the Russian government or foreign policy?

You're a Russophobe!

This is why I say it like this.

Russian people = Cool
Russian government = Cunts

Got any similar American people/government equations? Do they include the dicks?

[Galloism]

Looking at the demographics of the electorate, even understanding how unpopular Hillary is...I'm not fully convinced that she could've been beaten by Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio in a General Election. Things would be closer, I mean...how could it not be closer? But, would Ted Cruz have fired up young people or black people? Doubtful. Would Marco Rubio get out the women's vote with his draconian views on abortion or latinos with his lack of backbone on immigration? I don't think so.

Hillary Clinton isn't a great candidate, and frankly...Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been a great candidate either. As much as I agree with his ideas, I think there is a reason he lost the primary. There are enough older voters and middle of the road voters in America, who have a much more negative view of socialism (just the term, not the ideals) than younger Americans. Given that they actually turn out to vote in higher numbers...that'd be an issue. Not only that, but I'm sure a Rubio or Cruz campaign would do a much better job with opposition research than Trump has.

But my point is....Democrats should have always had a slight advantage in the 2016 election, and they'll have an edge in 2020 when every millennial will be of voting age. You put generic Democrat up against generic Republican, and the Democrat...if models are to be believed...should be leading by 2-3 points. Now I think that when you look at the type of candidate that Republicans are willing to nominate, or rather who got the most votes after Trump this year...Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich...One is an extremist with ridiculously low favorability and believes in conspiracy theories, One is a charismatic craven extremist pretender, and the other is a George Bush in Jeb Bush clothing and actually has a pretty not so good record in Ohio.

I think 2020, if Hillary can manage to...not be as awful as her detractors think she'll be...then she'll be fine. 2024, might be a bitch...because eventually the GOP will change and learn from their mistakes....in theory. It's what the Democrats did in 1992.

If the Republicans don't learn from their mistakes, I don't expect the party to be around to any significant extent in 2024.

Here's the thing - I think the party, itself, is aware of the problem. The wrote an entire book about it in 2012.

The base, on the other hand, don't give a fuck.

[Galloism]

Trump already calling for just cancelling elections.

[Lady Scylla]

This is why I say it like this.

Russian people = Cool
Russian government = Cunts

Got any similar American people/government equations? Do they include the dicks?

I base dicks on their individual calibre.

[The Romulan Republic]

Trump already calling for just cancelling elections.

In other words, if we elect Trump now, don't expect another election in four years.

This is also, of course, part of his on-going effort to undermine and delegitimize democracy in America, and may encourage some of his supporters to engage in election day violence.

[Ebliania]

Trump already calling for just cancelling elections.

In other words, if we elect Trump now, don't expect another election in four years.

This is also, of course, part of his on-going effort to undermine and delegitimize democracy in America, and may encourage some of his supporters to engage in election day violence.

But it's just a joke!

[Zeinbrad]

If the Republicans don't learn from their mistakes, I don't expect the party to be around to any significant extent in 2024.

Here's the thing - I think the party, itself, is aware of the problem. The wrote an entire book about it in 2012.

The base, on the other hand, don't give a fuck.

Link?

[Galloism]

Here's the thing - I think the party, itself, is aware of the problem. The wrote an entire book about it in 2012.

The base, on the other hand, don't give a fuck.

Link?

It's long.

Key points.

[Corrian]

If they want to keep sticking to a losing strategy, well, that's their loss.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Trump already calling for just cancelling elections.

What the hell is he thinking?

Does he even understand that what he is calling is outright unconstitutional?

It not only goes against whatever fickle notion of Democracy this country has evolved, it also goes against the Constitution.

He just can't stop running his mouth, however, so his own idiocy will sink him.

[The United Territories of Providence]

How's This Jerzy?

Behind Trump's Lies - Mike Pence (Apologies to The Who)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA

No one knows what it's like
To run with a mad man
To be the sad man
Behind Trump's Lies
And no one knows what it's like to be hated
to be jaded, wearing Trump ties

But my dreams, they aren't as empty
As my conscience seems to be
I have hours, to plan my next run
My love is vengeance
2020 get ready for me

No one knows what it's like
to field these questions
Like I do, and I blame you!
I wish you'd stop sending tweets from anger
that last meme tells us all, you hate jews

But my dreams, they aren't as empty
As my conscience seems to be
I have hours, to plan my next run
My love is vengeance
2020 get ready for me

If Kaine attacks, Pivot to Abortion
Avoid the truth or I lose my cool
Never talk about Indiana
People hate you, that's a sure way to lose

If he grabs them by the pussy
shoving tic-tacs down their throat
Ask if it's too late to leave the ticket
I'd rather be in Terre Haute.

No one knows what it's like
To run with a mad man
To be the sad man
Behind Trump's Lies

[IceBuddha]

If they want to keep sticking to a losing strategy, well, that's their loss.

I don't think the rank and file voter thinks about things like long term political strategy. They are more animated by emotional slogans than long winded white papers.

The party didn't want Trump, panicked when he swept the primaries, tried to make Trump work, and now they're pretty much in post-election survival mode since they've realized he's likely to lose.

[Corrian]

I'm still kind of hoping for another surprise video release, since they're apparently out there, just not being put anywhere.

[Camicon]

Trump already calling for just cancelling elections.

Jesus A. fucking Christ.

[Galloism]

I'm still kind of hoping for another surprise video release, since they're apparently out there, just not being put anywhere.

I'm sure the vast Hillary Clinton Conspiracy Machine is working on it.

[Jerzylvania]

Got any similar American people/government equations? Do they include the dicks?

I base dicks on their individual calibre.

Pussy Riot /=/ Sex Pistols ....in your equation.

[IceBuddha]

Trump already calling for just cancelling elections.

Jesus A. fucking Christ.

Yeah, the guy is a massive clown and a joke.

Yet at the same time he's a clear and present threat to American democracy and America's position in the world. It's horrifying that racial animus and identity politics have driven our country to the precipice like this.

[Jerzylvania]

How's This Jerzy?

Behind Trump's Lies - Mike Pence (Apologies to The Who)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA

No one knows what it's like
To run with a mad man
To be the sad man
Behind Trump's Lies
And no one knows what it's like to be hated
to be jaded, wearing Trump ties

But my dreams, they aren't as empty
As my conscience seems to be
I have hours, to plan my next run
My love is vengeance
2020 get ready for me

No one knows what it's like
to field these questions
Like I do, and I blame you!
I wish you'd stop sending tweets from anger
that last meme tells us all, you hate jews

But my dreams, they aren't as empty
As my conscience seems to be
I have hours, to plan my next run
My love is vengeance
2020 get ready for me

If Kaine attacks, Pivot to Abortion
Avoid the truth or I lose my cool
Never talk about Indiana
People hate you, that's a sure way to lose

If he grabs them by the pussy
shoving tic-tacs down their throat
Ask if it's too late to leave the ticket
I'd rather be in Terre Haute.

No one knows what it's like
To run with a mad man
To be the sad man
Behind Trump's Lies

That is very good.
I like how you took the Who's song about Richard M. Nixon and turned it onto Trump.
You also see the value of leaving some of the original song lines "as is" thus maintaining the structural integrity of the song.

[Jerzylvania]

Jesus A. fucking Christ.

Yeah, the guy is a massive clown and a joke.

Yet at the same time he's a clear and present threat to American democracy and America's position in the world. It's horrifying that racial animus and identity politics have driven our country to the precipice like this.

Are we really at a precipice? Or is that wildly exaggerated and instead we're just at the edge of a pile of dog shit.

*wiping shoes on the legal grass*

[Jerzylvania]

Mike Pence's plane slides off runway in NY. Pence shits his pants. No one hurt, but Mike needs his pants cleaned.

[Hittanryan]

Trump already calling for just cancelling elections.

Trump wants to be King Donald I, and he always has.