US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Eol Sha]

Russian scapegoating?

You don't like the Russian government or foreign policy?

You're a Russophobe!

Reminds me of Shof.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.

How is it scapegoating when Trump himself wants to forge closer ties to someone who is known to stamp on human rights and represses freedom?

Raul Castro or Ayatollah Khamenei?
OHHHH, you mean Putin. Sorry, I got confused there by the lack of criticism of closer ties we've forged to people who are known to stamp on human rights and repress freedoms. Guess it's only bad when Trump does it.

[Jerzylvania]

If Trump gets elected, Russia pretty much wins. Plus Trump would fuck up the U.S. and global economy like his casinos.

Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.

Just relate it to this:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/europe/mh17-buk-russia/

[Lancaster of Wessex]

How is it scapegoating when Trump himself wants to forge closer ties to someone who is known to stamp on human rights and represses freedom? Trump supporters seem fine to allow Eastern Europe and Syria to completely fall into Russian hands. Funny, Republicans used to be against such things.

I know. When did the Democrats become the war-loving authoritarian corporate shills?

You know? And?

War-loving? Standing up to Russia (which Trump is afraid to do) won't lead to war between Russia and America. Neither are suicidal.

Authoritarian? Trump is the one wanting to sue many people who say things he doesn't like. That's authoritarian, litigious, and thin-skinned.

Corporate shills? You mean just like the Republicans?

Unlike you it seems, I can call out the Dems for being sell-outs, just like the Republicans are. America was bought and sold a long time ago.

[IceBuddha]

Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.

Just relate it to this:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/europe/mh17-buk-russia/

CIA/Right Sector false flag operation. Now please elect Trump and disband NATO and the EU, Westerners.

[Eol Sha]

How is it scapegoating when Trump himself wants to forge closer ties to someone who is known to stamp on human rights and represses freedom?

Raul Castro or Ayatollah Khamenei?
OHHHH, you mean Putin. Sorry, I got confused there by the lack of criticism of closer ties we've forged to people who are known to stamp on human rights and repress freedoms. Guess it's only bad when Trump does it.

I mean, neither the Ayatollah or Raul Castro have invaded other countries. Putin has.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

How is it scapegoating when Trump himself wants to forge closer ties to someone who is known to stamp on human rights and represses freedom?

Raul Castro or Ayatollah Khamenei?
OHHHH, you mean Putin. Sorry, I got confused there by the lack of criticism of closer ties we've forged to people who are known to stamp on human rights and repress freedoms. Guess it's only bad when Trump does it.

And Nixon went to China. What's your point? This isn't a Republican or Democrat problem. This is an American problem. Your nation deals with corrupt and inhumane regimes when it's politically (and economically!) ok to do so.

[PaNTuXIa]

Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.

Please stop with the Russia apologetics.

They aren't apologetics.

Russian scapegoating?

You don't like the Russian government or foreign policy?

You're a Russophobe!

Nope. Not what I'm saying at all. There are plenty of valid points to bring up against Trump, "muh Russian puppet" isn't one of them.

[Corrian]

Raul Castro or Ayatollah Khamenei?
OHHHH, you mean Putin. Sorry, I got confused there by the lack of criticism of closer ties we've forged to people who are known to stamp on human rights and repress freedoms. Guess it's only bad when Trump does it.

There's this thing called having a problem with both, you know. Should be obvious but I guess it's apparently not.

[PaNTuXIa]

I know. When did the Democrats become the war-loving authoritarian corporate shills?

You know? And?

War-loving? Standing up to Russia (which Trump is afraid to do) won't lead to war between Russia and America. Neither are suicidal.

Authoritarian? Trump is the one wanting to sue many people who say things he doesn't like. That's authoritarian, litigious, and thin-skinned.

Corporate shills? You mean just like the Republicans?

Unlike you it seems, I can call out the Dems for being sell-outs, just like the Republicans are. America was bought and sold a long time ago.

Thank you for having common sense.

[Eol Sha]

Raul Castro or Ayatollah Khamenei?
OHHHH, you mean Putin. Sorry, I got confused there by the lack of criticism of closer ties we've forged to people who are known to stamp on human rights and repress freedoms. Guess it's only bad when Trump does it.

And Nixon went to China. What's your point? This isn't a Republican or Democrat problem. This is an American problem. Your nation deals with corrupt and inhumane regimes when it's politically (and economically!) ok to do so.

That's not an American problem. All governments do that so let's not pretend the US is in some league of it's own.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Raul Castro or Ayatollah Khamenei?
OHHHH, you mean Putin. Sorry, I got confused there by the lack of criticism of closer ties we've forged to people who are known to stamp on human rights and repress freedoms. Guess it's only bad when Trump does it.

I mean, neither the Ayatollah or Raul Castro have invaded other countries. Putin has.

Actually, Cuban and Iranian personnel have been involved in operations in much the same role that Putin was/is.
The Iranian presence in Yemen and Syria/Iraq and the Cuban involvement in Colombia and Venezuela being some of the most obvious.
Though, admittedly, Cuba's history of such is a bit smaller because Raul's been leading it for a shorter amount of time and the Cuban military is...Well, it's the Cuban military.

[Eol Sha]

Raul Castro or Ayatollah Khamenei?
OHHHH, you mean Putin. Sorry, I got confused there by the lack of criticism of closer ties we've forged to people who are known to stamp on human rights and repress freedoms. Guess it's only bad when Trump does it.

There's this thing called having a problem with both, you know. Should be obvious but I guess it's apparently not.

Recognizing that would require nuance, but nuance gets in the way of making a partisan point.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

And Nixon went to China. What's your point? This isn't a Republican or Democrat problem. This is an American problem. Your nation deals with corrupt and inhumane regimes when it's politically (and economically!) ok to do so.

That's not an American problem. All governments do that so let's not pretend the US is in some league of it's own.

Since we're talking about America specifically I said "American problem," but I 100% agree. It's a humanity problem.

[IceBuddha]

Please stop with the Russia apologetics.

They aren't apologetics.

You don't like the Russian government or foreign policy?

You're a Russophobe!

Nope. Not what I'm saying at all. There are plenty of valid points to bring up against Trump, "muh Russian puppet" isn't one of them.

Puppet? No, I doubt that.

Pro-appeasement crypto-fascist stooge who has a hard on for authoritarian leaders/systems and seems to disapprove of Western cooperation and integration? Yes, definitely.

[Jerzylvania]

Just relate it to this:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/europe/mh17-buk-russia/

CIA/Right Sector false flag operation. Now please elect Trump and disband NATO and the EU, Westerners.

Trump's already a loser. Russia is the ultimate world leader in propaganda. They'd be proud of you.

[PaNTuXIa]

They aren't apologetics.

Nope. Not what I'm saying at all. There are plenty of valid points to bring up against Trump, "muh Russian puppet" isn't one of them.

Puppet? No, I doubt that.

Pro-appeasement crypto-fascist stooge who has a hard on for authoritarian leaders and systems and seems to disapprove of Western cooperation and integration? Yes, definitely.

Perhaps.

[Eol Sha]

I mean, neither the Ayatollah or Raul Castro have invaded other countries. Putin has.

Actually, Cuban and Iranian personnel have been involved in operations in much the same role that Putin was/is.
The Iranian presence in Yemen and Syria/Iraq and the Cuban involvement in Colombia and Venezuela being some of the most obvious.
Though, admittedly, Cuba's history of such is a bit smaller because Raul's been leading it for a shorter amount of time and the Cuban military is...Well, it's the Cuban military.

The Iraqi government invited the Iranians in so it isn't really the same. As for Yemen, at present aren't only their advisors involved? And before you make some assumptions I am aware that "advisors" is often code for combat soldiers. Either way, the way Putin has operated is far more aggressive in that regard than Iran or Cuba.

As for Cuba, that sounds more like CIA-style intervention/subterfuge rather than full-scale invasions a la Vladimir Putin.

[Hittanryan]

How is it scapegoating when Trump himself wants to forge closer ties to someone who is known to stamp on human rights and represses freedom?

Raul Castro or Ayatollah Khamenei?
OHHHH, you mean Putin. Sorry, I got confused there by the lack of criticism of closer ties we've forged to people who are known to stamp on human rights and repress freedoms. Guess it's only bad when Trump does it.

Yeah we're real close with Iran now for stopping their nuclear weapons program. Best buddies, you betcha. And I'm sure fifty more years of the embargo on Cuba would've accomplished...something aside from fifty more years of the embargo.

Everyone knows the Obama Administration has openly, unequivocally praised the Iranian and Cuban governments. What? You need a source? You'll just have to believe me.

[Lady Scylla]

How is it scapegoating when Trump himself wants to forge closer ties to someone who is known to stamp on human rights and represses freedom? Trump supporters seem fine to allow Eastern Europe and Syria to completely fall into Russian hands. Funny, Republicans used to be against such things.

I know. When did the Democrats become the war-loving authoritarian corporate shills?

When are you ever going to express an original thought?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Nope. Not what I'm saying at all. There are plenty of valid points to bring up against Trump, "muh Russian puppet" isn't one of them.

I don't personally think Trump is Russia's puppet.

But he can cozy up to them if they just give him the attention he desperately craves, and that is a problem when it comes to our interests.

[Conserative Morality]

When are you ever going to express an original thought?

Original thoughts are sp00ks.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Nope. Not what I'm saying at all. There are plenty of valid points to bring up against Trump, "muh Russian puppet" isn't one of them.

I don't personally think Trump is Russia's puppet.

But he can cozy up to them if they just give him the attention he desperately craves, and that is a problem.

While selling out Eastern Europe all in the name of fighting Daesh.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't personally think Trump is Russia's puppet.

But he can cozy up to them if they just give him the attention he desperately craves, and that is a problem.

While selling out Eastern Europe all in the name of fighting Daesh.

Or, in fact, any of our interests abroad.

His plans to also have NATO and U.S. forces become the equivalent of a mercenary force is also concerning.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

While selling out Eastern Europe all in the name of fighting Daesh.

Or, in fact, any of our interests abroad.

His plans to also have NATO and U.S. forces become the equivalent of a mercenary force is also concerning.

Trump's vision of American military power shown above.