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What is The Biggest, Most Imminent, Geopolitical Threat To The United States?

Russia
33
13%
China
17
7%
North Korea
2
1%
ISIS
13
5%
Climate Change
45
18%
Iran
1
0%
Immigrants/Refugees
12
5%
Domestic Terror
12
5%
Hillary Clinton
46
18%
Donald Trump
75
29%
 
Total votes : 256

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:43 pm

Corrian wrote:It's called saying what he appears to actually be. It has nothing to do with "pulling the race card". if he posts and acts like a White Supremacist, he's a White Supremacist.

If you aren't a racist, that means you're pulling the race card for sympathy. How dare you!
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:45 pm

Pantuxia wrote:It's incredibly sad that 52 people think Donald Trump is the biggest threat to the United States.

And that 26 think fucking Russia is.


If Trump gets elected, Russia pretty much wins. Plus Trump would fuck up the U.S. and global economy like his casinos.
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Postby Irona » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:46 pm

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Irona wrote:You assumed I was talking directly about WRA, I wasn't.

When you quote a post that was in response to him, yes, it's pretty easy to assume you were referring to him and making an assumption.

Are you really going to fall to the level of name calling?

I guess so.

I thought NS was better than that. I don't want to debate you if your just looking for a fight.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:46 pm

Pantuxia wrote:It's incredibly sad that 52 people think Donald Trump is the biggest threat to the United States. And that 26 think fucking Russia is.


In a nutshell, it is because Russia is one of the few countries which is militarily powerful enough to rival the US, and many Americans don't take too kindly to Russia getting in the way all the time on one or more international issues. In some respects, the foreign policies of the US and Russia are diametrically opposed. China in contrast- is perceived to mostly be out of the way or neutral, despite successfully waging economic warfare against the US. The cold war mentality of Russia being a threat by default, will unfortunately persist.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:47 pm

Irona wrote:I thought NS was better than that. I don't want to debate you if your just looking for a fight.

Your first mistake was expecting better of NationStates.
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:50 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:It's incredibly sad that 52 people think Donald Trump is the biggest threat to the United States.

And that 26 think fucking Russia is.

Based on how much damage the Bush Administration did to the US' credibility and economy, it's perfectly reasonable to say that an inept Trump Presidency has the greatest potential for harm.

Humor us though, what is the real greatest threat?

China or climate change, but I give the edge to China.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:50 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:Met Donald Trump Jr at the GOP headquarters today. Much more well spoken, courteous, and even outgoing than his father. If he was running instead of his father, I'd vote GOP for President.

Isn't he the White Supremacist?

No, he just kills wild animals in Africa and defends his father's sexual deviance.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:51 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:They've been weak for a long time. Won't deny that Stalin v. Rasputin and Alexander the Great v. Ivan the Terrible were good though.

Also, "I'm gonna run the country like I run my casinos: more police, and less Latinos!" gave me a laugh.


It had some good lines (I respect all females, but your rhymes are trash, put em next to your emails) but the bias has really shown in the last couple of episodes.

And the bias is bad because?

The people at Epic Rap Battles are not scientists. They don't have a moral or ethical obligation to treat Clinton and Trump as equals.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:53 pm

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It had some good lines (I respect all females, but your rhymes are trash, put em next to your emails) but the bias has really shown in the last couple of episodes.

And the bias is bad because?

The people at Epic Rap Battles are not scientists. They don't have a moral or ethical obligation to treat Clinton and Trump as equals.


Fortunately, since Trump and Clinton are in no way equals. Trump is a special kind of scumbag.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:53 pm

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It had some good lines (I respect all females, but your rhymes are trash, put em next to your emails) but the bias has really shown in the last couple of episodes.

And the bias is bad because?

The people at Epic Rap Battles are not scientists. They don't have a moral or ethical obligation to treat Clinton and Trump as equals.


Made it less enjoyable for me personally.

Just my two cents.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:And the bias is bad because?

The people at Epic Rap Battles are not scientists. They don't have a moral or ethical obligation to treat Clinton and Trump as equals.


Made it less enjoyable for me personally.

Just my two cents.

Eh, that's fine, but I personally find most complaints about comedians being "biased" against Trump tiresome and misguided.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:04 pm

I know it's not entirely related, but things seem to be getting kinda crazy at the bullshit pipeline shit in North Dakota (?). People be maced and shot with rubber bullets and such for peacefully protesting. Some tear gas as well.

I go on CNN and read
"Protesters light fires at Pipeline"

Yeah, fuck you CNN. That's the only shit you mention out of this while issue?

Edit: It was also the top story for like an hour at most.
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:06 pm

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Made it less enjoyable for me personally.

Just my two cents.

Eh, that's fine, but I personally find most complaints about comedians being "biased" against Trump tiresome and misguided.

I don't think you two understand. There are no opinions other than mine.
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Postby Camicon » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:08 pm

Corrian wrote:I know it's not entirely related, but things seem to be getting kinda crazy at the bullshit pipeline shit in North Dakota (?). People be maced and shot with rubber bullets and such for peacefully protesting. Some tear gas as well.

I go on CNN and read
"Protesters light fires at Pipeline"

Yeah, fuck you CNN. That's the only shit you mention out of this while issue?

Edit: It was also the top story for like an hour at most.

People protest environmentally damaging industrial project in the US: protestors get treated like violent rioters

People protest environmentally damaging industrial project in Canada: politicians commit to science based policy decisions and explore less damaging ways to proceed
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Postby Jerzylvania » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:09 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Liriena wrote:And the bias is bad because?

The people at Epic Rap Battles are not scientists. They don't have a moral or ethical obligation to treat Clinton and Trump as equals.


Fortunately, since Trump and Clinton are in no way equals. Trump is a special kind of scumbag.

Specifically, he is a political hazardous waste. The sooner he is permanently disposed of, the better.
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:09 pm

Camicon wrote:
Corrian wrote:I know it's not entirely related, but things seem to be getting kinda crazy at the bullshit pipeline shit in North Dakota (?). People be maced and shot with rubber bullets and such for peacefully protesting. Some tear gas as well.

I go on CNN and read
"Protesters light fires at Pipeline"

Yeah, fuck you CNN. That's the only shit you mention out of this while issue?

Edit: It was also the top story for like an hour at most.

People protest environmentally damaging industrial project in the US: protestors get treated like violent rioters

People protest environmentally damaging industrial project in Canada: politicians commit to science based policy decisions and explore less damaging ways to proceed

But was anyone shot? Huh? Huh!

Sorry Canada, but you lose once again.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:11 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:It's incredibly sad that 52 people think Donald Trump is the biggest threat to the United States.

And that 26 think fucking Russia is.


If Trump gets elected, Russia pretty much wins. Plus Trump would fuck up the U.S. and global economy like his casinos.

Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:12 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
If Trump gets elected, Russia pretty much wins. Plus Trump would fuck up the U.S. and global economy like his casinos.

Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.

Russian scapegoating? :eyebrow:
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:14 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.

Russian scapegoating? :eyebrow:

Yes. That's exactly what it is.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:14 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
If Trump gets elected, Russia pretty much wins. Plus Trump would fuck up the U.S. and global economy like his casinos.

Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.


How is it scapegoating when Trump himself wants to forge closer ties to someone who is known to stamp on human rights and represses freedom? Trump supporters seem fine to allow Eastern Europe and Syria to continue to fall into Russian hands. Funny, Republicans used to be against such things.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:15 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.


How is it scapegoating when Trump himself wants to forge closer ties to someone who is known to stamp on human rights and represses freedom? Trump supporters seem fine to allow Eastern Europe and Syria to completely fall into Russian hands. Funny, Republicans used to be against such things.

I know. When did the Democrats become the war-loving authoritarian corporate shills?
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Postby Corrian » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:15 pm

Camicon wrote:People protest environmentally damaging industrial project in the US: protestors get treated like violent rioters

People protest environmentally damaging industrial project in Canada: politicians commit to science based policy decisions and explore less damaging ways to proceed

I'm sure Canada has plenty of its own issues, but if I could, I'd move there in a heartbeat.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:15 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
If Trump gets elected, Russia pretty much wins. Plus Trump would fuck up the U.S. and global economy like his casinos.

Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.

Please stop with the Russia apologetics.
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:15 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Russian scapegoating? :eyebrow:

Yes. That's exactly what it is.
"I can't refute any of Trump's points, so I'll just call him a puppet."

Is it still scapegoating to call him both a puppet and to refute his points?
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Postby IceBuddha » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:16 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Please stop with the Russian scapegoating.

Russian scapegoating? :eyebrow:

You don't like the Russian government or foreign policy?

You're a Russophobe!

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