US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Gauthier]

Wonder what High Crime or Misdemeanor they'll use as an excuse?

benghazi

Oh God it's flooding. Are we sure Hurricane Matthew dissipated already?

[Galloism]

Eight partisan congressional investigations, which found bupkis.

Dunno about noncongressional investigations, if any.

8 investigations and 10 committees involved in the investigations to be precise.

At this point I could make a book solely on Benghazi, a single day/week, with everything the committees have found out.

You've got to do it - make a book called Ghazigate and send a copy to Trump.

Within, lay out the findings that nothing illegal or negligent happened, per the committees.

He'll promote it without reading it.

[Ebliania]

benghazi

Oh God it's flooding. Are we sure Hurricane Matthew dissipated already?

IT'S THE GAYS! /s

[Ashmoria]

Benghazi.

No, this time there will be 10 committees just to investigate the emails.

Because, you know, we must pick apart even the most insignificant syllable from her words, phonetic meaning when read, and their literary interpretations as well as linguistic consequences in order to truly understand what happened at her private server.

Only then will we achieve true justice, and the American people will know the absolute truth behind Clinton's corruption. Or something.

they could do one of those weird numerology analyses of her emails like people do of the old testament to find hidden messages from god.

[Galloism]

No, this time there will be 10 committees just to investigate the emails.

Because, you know, we must pick apart even the most insignificant syllable from her words, phonetic meaning when read, and their literary interpretations as well as linguistic consequences in order to truly understand what happened at her private server.

Only then will we achieve true justice, and the American people will know the absolute truth behind Clinton's corruption. Or something.

they could do one of those weird numerology analyses of her emails like people do of the old testament to find hidden messages from god.

That would probably turn out a lot more interesting.

[Gauthier]

Oh God it's flooding. Are we sure Hurricane Matthew dissipated already?

IT'S THE GAYS! /s

Bengayzi... Shit!

*blub blub blub...*

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

8 investigations and 10 committees involved in the investigations to be precise.

At this point I could make a book solely on Benghazi, a single day/week, with everything the committees have found out.

You've got to do it - make a book called Ghazigate and send a copy to Trump.

Within, lay out the findings that nothing illegal or negligent happened, per the committees.

He'll promote it without reading it.

...that would be a magnificent maneuver. It must be done.

[The Liberated Territories]

I mean, Johnson's actions have killed no one. Unless you can find me a list of "deaths caused by Gary Johnson during his governorship."

Although unlike Johnson's gaff, Clinton's emails could of potentially killed people. Lots of people. Not knowing what is classified - can kill people. Not knowing where Aleppo is...not that problematic for an administration that is non-interventionist in the first place. We shouldn't be there. Or add to the fire.

And of course, Clinton has already lead to who knows how many deaths in Libya. At least we can count 4 Americans, offhandedly. But many more non-Americans.

Oh, not this Benghazi bullshit again.

Clinton has been clear by, what, close to a dozen investigations on it? Including partisan Republican investigation?

Let's call this what it is- a pathetic attempt by the far Right to manufacture a pretext to accuse their political opponents of treason.

Yet we can not deny her involvement in much of the construction of the Libyan war. She did ignore Gadaffi's call for a ceasefire. She supported arming the rebels as well. While there are too many scenarios that might of played out - I generally think that Clinton's involvement here caused - in general - more deaths and more destability to the region.

I can even give you many, many sources - not from Republicans but from Huffpo, Bernie Sanders, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-wag ... 71956.html

[Ashmoria]

they could do one of those weird numerology analyses of her emails like people do of the old testament to find hidden messages from god.

That would probably turn out a lot more interesting.

and very impeachable.

[Valaran]

She did ignore Gadaffi's call for a ceasefire.

It was very apparent at the time that the ceasefire was not about to lead to meaningful negotiation. Chivvis in his book* on the conflict directly points this out.

*Toppling Qaddafi: Libya And The Limits Of Liberal Intervention. Annoyingly, I don't have the chapter off the top of my head.

[Ashmoria]

Oh, not this Benghazi bullshit again.

Clinton has been clear by, what, close to a dozen investigations on it? Including partisan Republican investigation?

Let's call this what it is- a pathetic attempt by the far Right to manufacture a pretext to accuse their political opponents of treason.

Yet we can not deny her involvement in much of the construction of the Libyan war. She did ignore Gadaffi's call for a ceasefire. She supported arming the rebels as well. While there are too many scenarios that might of played out - I generally think that Clinton's involvement here caused - in general - more deaths and more destability to the region.

I can even give you many, many sources - not from Republicans but from Huffpo, Bernie Sanders, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-wag ... 71956.html

oh don't be silly. if she had recommended against stopping the slaughter in Benghazi you would now be laying THOSE deaths at her feet.

revolution isn't a tea party, eh?

[Camicon]

For the love of god, all I want him to do in the third debate is not hold the damn thing under his nose like he's powdered it with coke.

Keep the mic under your chin, Donald; stop breathing on it like you want to take it furniture shopping later.

Yet he never makes those sounds on the microphones at his rallies.

Your point being what?

[Hurdergaryp]

You've got to do it - make a book called Ghazigate and send a copy to Trump.

Within, lay out the findings that nothing illegal or negligent happened, per the committees.

He'll promote it without reading it.

...that would be a magnificent maneuver. It must be done.

It would fit the general dynamic of this election, so much is true.

[Galloism]

Yet he never makes those sounds on the microphones at his rallies.

Your point being what?

I'm not saying it, but I hear from people, the best people, that he needs a little coke to work up the courage to face Hillary.

[The Liberated Territories]

Yet we can not deny her involvement in much of the construction of the Libyan war. She did ignore Gadaffi's call for a ceasefire. She supported arming the rebels as well. While there are too many scenarios that might of played out - I generally think that Clinton's involvement here caused - in general - more deaths and more destability to the region.

I can even give you many, many sources - not from Republicans but from Huffpo, Bernie Sanders, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-wag ... 71956.html

oh don't be silly. if she had recommended against stopping the slaughter in Benghazi you would now be laying THOSE deaths at her feet.

revolution isn't a tea party, eh?

Except it is not that simple. The revolution was caused by decades of neocon policy, so ultimately some responsibility is laid at the feet of the architects of the war. Not all of it of course, like the scenario you describe, but who caused the destability in the first place? Who first voted for the war? Those are the things I am interested in.

[Hurdergaryp]

Your point being what?

I'm not saying it, but I hear from people, the best people, that he needs a little coke to work up the courage to face Hillary.

A little coke? Just a little bit of coke? Winners don't take a little bit of coke, they take ALL the coke, straight upon their alpha male noses! Fuck yeah!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm not saying it, but I hear from people, the best people, that he needs a little coke to work up the courage to face Hillary.

A little coke? Just a little bit of coke? Winners don't take a little bit of coke, they take ALL the coke, straight upon their alpha male noses! Fuck yeah!

I hear he has stock in the Hoover vacuum cleaner company.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

Yet we can not deny her involvement in much of the construction of the Libyan war. She did ignore Gadaffi's call for a ceasefire. She supported arming the rebels as well. While there are too many scenarios that might of played out - I generally think that Clinton's involvement here caused - in general - more deaths and more destability to the region.

I can even give you many, many sources - not from Republicans but from Huffpo, Bernie Sanders, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-wag ... 71956.html

oh don't be silly. if she had recommended against stopping the slaughter in Benghazi you would now be laying THOSE deaths at her feet.

revolution isn't a tea party, eh?

Well, actually...

[Ashmoria]

oh don't be silly. if she had recommended against stopping the slaughter in Benghazi you would now be laying THOSE deaths at her feet.

revolution isn't a tea party, eh?

Well, actually...

*makes a face*

*starts humming yankee doodle*

[Soldati Senza Confini]

8 investigations and 10 committees involved in the investigations to be precise.

At this point I could make a book solely on Benghazi, a single day/week, with everything the committees have found out.

You've got to do it - make a book called Ghazigate and send a copy to Trump.

Within, lay out the findings that nothing illegal or negligent happened, per the committees.

He'll promote it without reading it.

I would, but first, I want to make this book on the email investigations of Clinton, which was first in the queue given it ties in with computer security

[Valaran]

Except it is not that simple. The revolution was caused by decades of neocon policy, so ultimately some responsibility is laid at the feet of the architects of the war. Not all of it of course, like the scenario you describe, but who caused the destability in the first place? Who first voted for the war? Those are the things I am interested in.

The revolution was caused by Gaddafi's mismanagement of his country. Specifically corruption, limited economic development, and a lack of socio-economic opportunity for those outside the ruling cliques. Such issues happened regardless of western policies towards the country.

Clinton was initially reluctant for involvement, and in many this was a British-French led initiative that brought the US into war. There was also considerable time pressure, since Gaddafi was marching straight on Benghazi at this point, and humanitarian crisis was reckoned imminent (regardless of wether that was actually the case).

I feel you'd be on much stronger ground criticising Clinton & co for their lack of preparation for what came after the conflict. There's a lot of valid criticism to be aimed there, and they really should have known better and prepared accordingly. In essence, this is also really where the HuffPo article should be aimed at as well.

[Hurdergaryp]

A little coke? Just a little bit of coke? Winners don't take a little bit of coke, they take ALL the coke, straight upon their alpha male noses! Fuck yeah!

I hear he has stock in the Hoover vacuum cleaner company.

Ah, good old Hoover. Quite the colorful character.

[The Liberated Territories]

Except it is not that simple. The revolution was caused by decades of neocon policy, so ultimately some responsibility is laid at the feet of the architects of the war. Not all of it of course, like the scenario you describe, but who caused the destability in the first place? Who first voted for the war? Those are the things I am interested in.

The revolution was caused by Gaddafi's mismanagement of his country. Specifically corruption, limited economic development, and a lack of socio-economic opportunity for those outside the ruling cliques. Such issues happened regardless of western policies towards the country.

Clinton was initially reluctant for involvement, and in many this was a British-French led initiative that brought the US into war. There was also considerable time pressure, since Gaddafi was marching straight on Benghazi at this point, and humanitarian crisis was reckoned imminent (regardless of wether that was actually the case).

I feel you'd be on much stronger ground criticising Clinton & co for their lack of preparation for what came after the conflict. There's a lot of valid criticism to be aimed there, and they really should have known better and prepared accordingly. In essence, this is also really where the HuffPo article should be aimed at as well.

The US government started becoming cozy with Gadaffi far before this intervention, of course. It was only when our foreign allies interests change did US interests change. The Bush administration supported restoring full diplomatic relations to Gadaffi, despite the destruction of the Pan Am flight. And Clinton was apart of that too, in fact she originally welcomed one of Gadaffi's sons to Washington and praised the US-Libyan relations. She probably was reluctant because of this. The US government could of continued to put a heavy finger on the heavy man, so to speak, in order to prevent instability, but we didn't. And Clinton continued to support military activity in Libya even after Gadaffi died. Before Benghazi, she could of been the leading voice to prevent for what came after. American forces could of been evacuated much earlier. (Like you say on preparation.) There would of been a lot of death, but she would be blameless because she didn't push the trigger. So I don't buy the idea that it was impossible to determine the results of her actions. It's war, and the results are never good.

[Corrian]

Early Voting Could Hand Election to Hillary Clinton Well Before Nov. 8

Last night Hillary held a rally in Ohio that drew over 18,000.

Rigged obviously!

[Socialist Nordia]

Early Voting Could Hand Election to Hillary Clinton Well Before Nov. 8

Last night Hillary held a rally in Ohio that drew over 18,000.

Rigged obviously!

There are no Trump poll watchers for early voting, so it must be filled with fraud.