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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:35 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Juan Manuel Santos, President of the Republic of Colombia, and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, more commonly known as FARC, for their efforts in ending a civil conflict that had lasted for over six decades, and for bringing forth a new, more stable, prosperous, and hopeful era for their nation.

I second this nomination.

Thirded.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:09 am

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European Guilds wrote:I would like to nominate the Syrian Civil Defense, AKA the White Helmets.They are an organization of Syrian volunteers who act as first responders after a bombardment to save people from the rubble and have saved thousands of lives.


By executing them: https://www.sott.net/article/319963-Fak ... s-in-Syria

A range of Syrian women have denounced the US-UK funded group the 'White Helmets', led by a former British soldier and recently revealed to be financed by USAID. They come from all the country's communities (e.g. Sunni, Alawi, Druze, Christian) but, like most Syrians, prefer to identify simply as Syrian. Their comments follow the release of a range of evidence (Beeley 2015; Hands off Syria 2016) which show that the White Helmets - who present as 'heroes' rescuing civilians from the destruction of war - are in fact armed, partisan, western government funded and participating with Jabhat al Nusra (al Qaeda) in sectarian celebrations and executions...

Rana from Damascus says: 'they are an armed force [which has] covered themselves under the wing of 'humanitarian' organization. In rural Idlib they did so many executions against Syrian civilians that doesn't support the fake revolution. Their main support and fund comes from US government and UK government.'A White Helmets (2015) video from Douma (NE Damascus countryside) shows the aftermath of a Syrian Government attack on Jabhat al Nusra and Jaysh al Islam terrorist groups, which had sent rockets and mortars into Damascus almost every day for several years, killing hundreds of people. The young men donning 'White Helmets' jackets to rescue their colleagues are indistinguishable from Islamist fighters. Portraying Islamist casualties as civilians is a long tradition in the war on Syria. US journalist Nir Rosen (2012) wrote some years back that 'dead opposition fighters ... [are often] described as innocent civilians killed by security forces'.

Try not using well known cranks, woo peddlers, and conspiracy theorists par excellence as a source Shof. It ends up making you as a poster look less and less reputable.

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:14 am

Torn between Rodrigo Duterte, Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair, Jeremy Corbyn or Christine Lagarde.
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Postby Even Less of Mackonia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:28 am

I nominate Donald John Trump for his intelligence, compassion and human decency of conduct and for championing U.S-Russian reconciliation.
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Postby Val Halla » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:42 am

Greater Nazi Germanic Reich wrote:Are any Hillary supporters willing to support my nomination of Disney? Disney and Hillary Clinton are allies against homophobia and religious extremism. They stand together for human rights in the world. Disney CEO Bob Iger is with her.

If I'm going to pick a corporation who boycotted NC, it'd be the NBA. They've done far more imo.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:48 am

Even Less of Mackonia wrote:I nominate Donald John Trump for his intelligence, compassion and human decency of conduct and for championing U.S-Russian reconciliation.

Compassion? Since when is Donald Trump compassionate?
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:05 am

I'd like to once again nominate the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement for their tireless work in worldwide disaster relief.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:14 am

Zudril wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
The actual first post was the OP. That was the first response.

What a boringly stunted start to your argument. My point was clear.


That you came here to argue, instead of actually participate in the thread?


Zudril wrote:
Shofercia wrote: Skipping aside that factual misstatement on your part, let's actually count, (1, 2, 3, 4,) the compliments paid to the Kurds:

1. Heroically defending their cities
2. Giving women equal rights
3. Running a secular Democracy
4. Having the ability to compromise

None of these are given by themselves. You make them only in comparison to something else, as an insult to them, and imply they and they alone have the opposite of these virtues, further implying the Syrian regime is somehow better.


Really? So this part, "for their ability to compromise and unite the others around them," wasn't given by itself? You sure about that?


Zudril wrote:
Shofercia wrote:That's four compliments. And they're rather strong. So if this is, as you mistakenly allege, a naked attack on the "rebels" please list at least five ways that is an attack on the "rebels" eh?

I don't understand why you're trying to put some mathematical basis to this. My previous assertion shows why your post was less a praise of the Kurds and more an attack on the rebels.


When a post strongly praises the Kurds four times, and semi-strongly criticizes the "rebels" thrice, that actually shows that the post was more of praise for the Kurds than anything else, since 4 is actually more than 3. Hence the mathematical basis for the post.


Zudril wrote:
Shofercia wrote: Go ahead, I'll wait, knowing that you cannot. Having said that, I'm a bit, (well, actually quite a bit,) confused as to how that whitewashes Assad's crimes. Or are the Kurds an Assad plant?

You are attacking the rebels in your post, while not mentioning the fact the regime is guilty of all the crimes you just listed.


Actually, in the original post, I didn't mention anyone by name, except the Kurds. So if thought that was an attack on the "rebels" then perhaps the "rebels" really are that bad. The "moderate" label part could've applied to the US, UK, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and yet you decided that it applied to the "rebels" so hey, that's on you. Oh yeah, it could've also applied to Assad's Regime. In fact, the only groups that it couldn't have applied to, are the Kurds and their allies.


Zudril wrote:
Shofercia wrote:1. Nonstop yapping about Human Rights on it's own, is not bad. Rather, Nonstop yapping about Human Rights, while attempting to escalate the war is bad. So that's one.

Funny because the US is the one supporting the Kurds.


There are more countries than one, that are supporting the Kurds, and there are more things that the US is doing, than just supporting the Kurds.

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Zudril wrote:
Shofercia wrote:2. Not giving women equal rights - that's two.

Which the Syrian regime does not do.


And that point could've applied to the Syrian Regime as well. Welp, there goes your argument.


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Shofercia wrote:3. The moderate label - a bit iffy, but sure, that implies something mean, so that's three.

It's an insult you use almost every day, so, I'd assume it has some personal meaning to you.


I'm so sorry, but I'm going to have to bust your bullshit with facts yet again. I've been on the forums since 2006, so if it's an insult that I'm using almost every day, let's say every third day, then you're looking at ten years of insults. So let's use facts and math, and calculate, shall we: 1,217 references. Hmm, how much does a factual search reveal? 148 matches. Ouch, that's almost as bad as an unsupported "moderate rebel" offensive in Syria. But "moderate" is a pretty popular term on NSG, and I used it in sports. How many times did I use it when addressing "rebels"? Oh, wait, that's just 32 matches. The last time I used it, before mentioning it in this thread? February.

So by not using this since February, according to Zudril, I use it almost everyday, so it has some blah, blah, blah. But hey, if you have no argument, why not criticize factual numbers, make up random shit about your opponent, and then attack him over something that you just made up?


Zudril wrote:
Shofercia wrote:If my focus was to nakedly attack the "rebels" instead of praising the Kurds, wouldn't I have more points actually attacking the "rebels" and less points praising the Kurds?

Because your praising of the Kurds is also and implication the rebels none of those things.


"Is also and implication" - I'm going to presume you're trying to argue that by praising the Kurds, for doing something extraordinary, I'm not praising the "rebels" for not doing something extraordinary.
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Postby Scandinavian Nations » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:16 am

Greater Nazi Germanic Reich wrote:Are any Hillary supporters willing to support my nomination of Disney? Disney and Hillary Clinton are allies against homophobia and religious extremism

And the Jews: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 64138.html

Even Less of Mackonia wrote:I nominate Donald John Trump for his intelligence, compassion and human decency of conduct and for championing U.S-Russian reconciliation.

Seconded.

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:25 am

New Werpland wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
The actual first post was the OP. That was the first response. Skipping aside that factual misstatement on your part, let's actually count, (1, 2, 3, 4,) the compliments paid to the Kurds:

1. Heroically defending their cities
2. Giving women equal rights
3. Running a secular Democracy
4. Having the ability to compromise

That's four compliments. And they're rather strong. So if this is, as you mistakenly allege, a naked attack on the "rebels" please list at least five ways that is an attack on the "rebels" eh? Go ahead, I'll wait, knowing that you cannot. Having said that, I'm a bit, (well, actually quite a bit,) confused as to how that whitewashes Assad's crimes. Or are the Kurds an Assad plant?



Hmm, let's see here:

1. Nonstop yapping about Human Rights on it's own, is not bad. Rather, Nonstop yapping about Human Rights, while attempting to escalate the war is bad. So that's one.
2. Not giving women equal rights - that's two.
3. The moderate label - a bit iffy, but sure, that implies something mean, so that's three.

If my focus was to nakedly attack the "rebels" instead of praising the Kurds, wouldn't I have more points actually attacking the "rebels" and less points praising the Kurds?

Err yea just one thing. The YPG are not angels, they are the least bad militant group in Syria. Not necessarily worthy of a peace prize for that, especially when we consider who they affiliate with. Personally, I think they've been the subject of too much lionization at this point.

Is it really necessary to hail the Syrian branch of a school bombing terrorist organization as having made great contribution to human rights and peace? Why not leave them be and avoid whitewashing?


I was talking primarily about their defense of Kobane, which prevented a wholesale slaughter of innocent human beings, and was one of the turning points of the war against ISIS.


Bakery Hill wrote:
Shofercia wrote:The Kurds that defended Kobane for actually doing something useful instead of nonstop yapping about Human Rights while attempting to escalate the war, and for their ability to compromise and unite the others around them, for their cause, giving women equal rights and not dealing with those who deny women equal rights despite the "moderate" label, and running a secular democracy in the midst of a bloody Civil War.

I'm going to third this one.

With the minor quibble that they didn't really give women equal rights, as much as the women of the movement took them in their own right.


Hmm, you're right. Would it work better if I rephrased it as "their actions enabled women to attain equal rights" or something like that?


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I'm pretty certain that they are able to do "something useful" because they have the firepower to do so.

Hmm. I don't support this nomination as giving a peace prize to Kurds is rather generalistic. What are we defining as kurds? The ethnicity? The government (if they have one)? The army soldiers who defended Kobane? This nomination seems like a sympathy vote rather than actual recognition for "the extraordinary contribution given to the cause of human rights and/or peace".

Moreover, if we are arguing about the line of the "Kurds" giving women equality, then what makes their action particularly commendable compared to other organisations that advocate for equality?


That they're actually doing it in a war torn part of the Middle East. As for a specific organization, how about the armed forces branch of the Kurds that defended Kobane?
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Postby Panslavicland » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:29 am

Scandinavian Nations wrote:
Even Less of Mackonia wrote:I nominate Donald John Trump for his intelligence, compassion and human decency of conduct and for championing U.S-Russian reconciliation.

Seconded.


Thirded.

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:37 am

Napkiraly wrote:Try not using well known cranks, woo peddlers, and conspiracy theorists par excellence as a source Shof. It ends up making you as a poster look less and less reputable.


That source links to other sources, that link to primary sources, but hey I forgot, I can only site sources that found WMDs in Iraq, amirite? How about this:

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Check the date. 2015, 2013, what's a few years when you have a time machine, amirite? Clearly worthy of NSG's Nobel Peace Prize. There's also a video of them watching an actual execution and doing nothing about it, but since NSG is PG-13, I cannot link it here. Pro-tip: if you're running an actual Human Rights Group, you're going to be helping people, not recycling propaganda from 2013.
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Postby European Guilds » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:21 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Try not using well known cranks, woo peddlers, and conspiracy theorists par excellence as a source Shof. It ends up making you as a poster look less and less reputable.


That source links to other sources, that link to primary sources, but hey I forgot, I can only site sources that found WMDs in Iraq, amirite?

What does this even have to do with anything? Are you attempting another tu quoque, Sho?

How about this:

(Image)

Check the date. 2015, 2013, what's a few years when you have a time machine, amirite? Clearly worthy of NSG's Nobel Peace Prize. There's also a video of them watching an actual execution and doing nothing about it, but since NSG is PG-13, I cannot link it here. Pro-tip: if you're running an actual Human Rights Group, you're going to be helping people, not recycling propaganda from 2013.

What's odd is that I found the article from The Christian Science Monitor, but not the tweet from the White Helmets that the image shows. That combined with the fact that the only places I can find that post this image are.... strange blogs.... Well, it's not really hard to make fake tweets.

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:26 pm

European Guilds wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
That source links to other sources, that link to primary sources, but hey I forgot, I can only site sources that found WMDs in Iraq, amirite?

What does this even have to do with anything? Are you attempting another tu quoque, Sho?

How about this:

(Image)

Check the date. 2015, 2013, what's a few years when you have a time machine, amirite? Clearly worthy of NSG's Nobel Peace Prize. There's also a video of them watching an actual execution and doing nothing about it, but since NSG is PG-13, I cannot link it here. Pro-tip: if you're running an actual Human Rights Group, you're going to be helping people, not recycling propaganda from 2013.

What's odd is that I found the article from The Christian Science Monitor, but not the tweet from the White Helmets that the image shows. That combined with the fact that the only places I can find that post this image are.... strange blogs.... Well, it's not really hard to make fake tweets.


Because deleting a tweet from 2015 must be such hard work, clearly if it's against someone that European Guilds likes, it's probably fake... And I'm saying that sources that actually talked to people on the ground, shouldn't be dismissed because some posters hate some blogs. In 2003, the bloggers got a lot of things right, while mass media was still searching for WMDs.
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Postby European Guilds » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:32 pm

Shofercia wrote:
European Guilds wrote:What does this even have to do with anything? Are you attempting another tu quoque, Sho?


What's odd is that I found the article from The Christian Science Monitor, but not the tweet from the White Helmets that the image shows. That combined with the fact that the only places I can find that post this image are.... strange blogs.... Well, it's not really hard to make fake tweets.


Because deleting a tweet from 2015 must be such hard work, clearly if it's against someone that European Guilds likes, it's probably fake... And I'm saying that sources that actually talked to people on the ground, shouldn't be dismissed because some posters hate some blogs. In 2003, the bloggers got a lot of things right, while mass media was still searching for WMDs.

Or the tweet never existed. So far I've seen nothing more than conspiracy theorists claim it. And why do you keep bringing 2003 up? Look, whatever. I'm not going to waste more time on this and kill my braincells trying to talk to you.

If people in this thread believe that the White Helmets do good work, please nominate them. If you don't believe they do good work (or prefer giving your nomination to someone else who you think does other good work), don't nominate them. Simple as that.

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:40 pm

European Guilds wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Because deleting a tweet from 2015 must be such hard work, clearly if it's against someone that European Guilds likes, it's probably fake... And I'm saying that sources that actually talked to people on the ground, shouldn't be dismissed because some posters hate some blogs. In 2003, the bloggers got a lot of things right, while mass media was still searching for WMDs.

Or the tweet never existed. So far I've seen nothing more than conspiracy theorists claim it. And why do you keep bringing 2003 up? Look, whatever. I'm not going to waste more time on this and kill my braincells trying to talk to you.

If people in this thread believe that the White Helmets do good work, please nominate them. If you don't believe they do good work (or prefer giving your nomination to someone else who you think does other good work), don't nominate them. Simple as that.


I'm allowed to campaign against them in the nomination phase. Those are the thread rules. 2003 wasn't the only time that mass media got it wrong. In August of 2008, the mass media implied that Russia started the war, despite the war starting on August 7th and the Russians entering on August 8th. Speaking of the White Helmets, how is it that they operate in Al Nusra held areas, without being harassed by Al Nusra?

https://off-guardian.org/2016/05/07/ope ... -on-syria/

As you know, Aleppo is a large city with the government forces holding western Aleppo while other parts of the city are dominated by armed opposition groups, primarily Nusra/Al Qaeda. About 1.5 to 2 million people live in the government areas with about 200 to 250 thousand in the areas controlled by armed opposition. So 80-90 % of the population is in government-controlled areas. This is rarely mentioned but seems important. Given this fact, is it true that you provide aid and support only to the opposition held areas?


http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/04/seven ... ipulators/

White Helmets is the newly minted name for “Syrian Civil Defence”. Despite the name, Syria Civil Defence was not created by Syrians nor does it serve Syria. Rather it was created by the UK and USA in 2013... The trainees are said to be ‘nonpartisan’ but only work in rebel-controlled areas of Idlib (now controlled by Nusra/Al Queda) and Aleppo. There are widely divergent claims regarding the number of people trained by the White Helmets and the number of people rescued. The numbers are probably highly exaggerated...


But hey, all blogs are teh ubah ebul, and we can only trust the mass media, rather than the journalists who are actually on the ground in Syria...
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:47 pm

It's a sad sort of situation when you have a hard time thinking of organizations who are actually actively, and legitimately, working towards peace out there in the world. We have a number of groups loudly protesting, or flag-waving, or shouting about this, that, or the other problem, but I wouldn't quite categorize their efforts as either peaceful, or encouraging peace. Some have been mentioned here already, others have not.

I cannot, for reasons I would hope might be obvious, list any American political personages. Those operating under the delusion that anything most of these people are doing is for the greater good, for selfless reasons, or for any actual peace, may need to re-examine things minus the rose-colored glasses. (That's just an opinion, mind you. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular.)

Doctors Without Borders continues to be an organization that does what it can to help those least able to help themselves, and usually, the least responsible for the horrible things going on in the worst areas of the world - the innocent bystanders, the civilians who don't know where to turn, what to do, and who are caught between two or more warring factions, and invariably, being the ones paying the ultimate price for it. That said, they've been nominated and won already.

Perhaps a spin on that, then -the doctors, nurses, and others who are working in the underground hospitals and other such places in Aleppo, primarily, and other targeted cities this past year. The people who have been attempting, without sufficient water, power, tools, medicine, without sanitary conditions, and under threat of, or actual bombardment, still valiantly attempting to do what they can to save lives.

The people doing brain surgery on blood-soaked floors in the middle of recovery rooms because there is no other option. The people working feverishly to remove ball bearings from the spines, brains, livers, and other parts of children who have been hit by cluster bombs with the markings of supposedly 'civilized' countries on them (yes, that would be Russia). The people who have no time to clean the mess up in between operations because of the constant flow of humanity into these often dimly-lit, maze-like structures, sometimes as the buildings collapse around them.

The people showing a sense of humanity in a place where that word seems to have lost meaning in all the pointless politically-driven bloodshed.

I figure that'd be my nomination this year. It's the best I can think of. It may not be actively encouraging peace, but it's bringing what peace they can to those who are suffering from a severe lack of it.

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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:54 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:It's a sad sort of situation when you have a hard time thinking of organizations who are actually actively, and legitimately, working towards peace out there in the world. We have a number of groups loudly protesting, or flag-waving, or shouting about this, that, or the other problem, but I wouldn't quite categorize their efforts as either peaceful, or encouraging peace. Some have been mentioned here already, others have not.

I cannot, for reasons I would hope might be obvious, list any American political personages. Those operating under the delusion that anything most of these people are doing is for the greater good, for selfless reasons, or for any actual peace, may need to re-examine things minus the rose-colored glasses. (That's just an opinion, mind you. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular.)

Doctors Without Borders continues to be an organization that does what it can to help those least able to help themselves, and usually, the least responsible for the horrible things going on in the worst areas of the world - the innocent bystanders, the civilians who don't know where to turn, what to do, and who are caught between two or more warring factions, and invariably, being the ones paying the ultimate price for it. That said, they've been nominated and won already.

Perhaps a spin on that, then -the doctors, nurses, and others who are working in the underground hospitals and other such places in Aleppo, primarily, and other targeted cities this past year. The people who have been attempting, without sufficient water, power, tools, medicine, without sanitary conditions, and under threat of, or actual bombardment, still valiantly attempting to do what they can to save lives.

The people doing brain surgery on blood-soaked floors in the middle of recovery rooms because there is no other option. The people working feverishly to remove ball bearings from the spines, brains, livers, and other parts of children who have been hit by cluster bombs with the markings of supposedly 'civilized' countries on them (yes, that would be Russia). The people who have no time to clean the mess up in between operations because of the constant flow of humanity into these often dimly-lit, maze-like structures, sometimes as the buildings collapse around them.

The people showing a sense of humanity in a place where that word seems to have lost meaning in all the pointless politically-driven bloodshed.

I figure that'd be my nomination this year. It's the best I can think of. It may not be actively encouraging peace, but it's bringing what peace they can to those who are suffering from a severe lack of it.

Good nomination.
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Postby Auristania » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:54 pm

INANIMATED OBJECTS accepted also, provided they are single, physical objects still existing at the moment of the nomination. As a guideline, it should be something eligible as UNESCO World Heritage (material or immaterial).


Does this mean I can nominate the Rosetta Stone?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

Absolutely vital to the understanding of Egyptian Civilization. A trilingual inscription in Greek and Hieroglyphics so we could understand the language.

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Postby Philjia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:56 pm

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INANIMATED OBJECTS accepted also, provided they are single, physical objects still existing at the moment of the nomination. As a guideline, it should be something eligible as UNESCO World Heritage (material or immaterial).


Does this mean I can nominate the Rosetta Stone?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

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I wouldn't say that was active, given that we've already extracted all possible knowledge from it.
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Postby European Guilds » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:04 pm

Shofercia wrote:2003 wasn't the only time that mass media got it wrong.

I'm pretty sure there's a name for this "if they were wrong before, that means they are wrong now" argument, but I can't remember (sounds alot like the "science was wrong before" argument, which is bullshit). Anyway.

https://off-guardian.org/2016/05/07/open-letter-to-msf-about-bias-and-propaganda-on-syria/

As you know, Aleppo is a large city with the government forces holding western Aleppo while other parts of the city are dominated by armed opposition groups, primarily Nusra/Al Qaeda. About 1.5 to 2 million people live in the government areas with about 200 to 250 thousand in the areas controlled by armed opposition. So 80-90 % of the population is in government-controlled areas. This is rarely mentioned but seems important. Given this fact, is it true that you provide aid and support only to the opposition held areas?


http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/04/seven ... ipulators/

White Helmets is the newly minted name for “Syrian Civil Defence”. Despite the name, Syria Civil Defence was not created by Syrians nor does it serve Syria. Rather it was created by the UK and USA in 2013... The trainees are said to be ‘nonpartisan’ but only work in rebel-controlled areas of Idlib (now controlled by Nusra/Al Queda) and Aleppo. There are widely divergent claims regarding the number of people trained by the White Helmets and the number of people rescued. The numbers are probably highly exaggerated...


But hey, all blogs are teh ubah ebul, and we can only trust the mass media, rather than the journalists who are actually on the ground in Syria...

Are you incapable of arguing without using hyperbole or something? Anyway, you say "journalists who are actually on the ground in Syria", but nothing I can find about Rick Sterling, who wrote both articles, says that he has been in Syria. And I mean on the ground in the areas where there's fighting so don't come with a Syrian vacation, or something.

Talking about Rick Sterling, did you know he was a founding member of the Syria Solidarity Movement, which regularly spreads pro-Assad propaganda?
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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:08 pm

Even Less of Mackonia wrote:I nominate Donald John Trump for his intelligence, compassion and human decency of conduct and for championing U.S-Russian reconciliation.

Too little and too generic for a nomination. What did he accomplish so far exactly?
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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:08 pm

Philjia wrote:
Auristania wrote:
Does this mean I can nominate the Rosetta Stone?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

Absolutely vital to the understanding of Egyptian Civilization. A trilingual inscription in Greek and Hieroglyphics so we could understand the language.


I wouldn't say that was active, given that we've already extracted all possible knowledge from it.


It's still existing, so yeah, the Rosetta Stone is perfectly eligible.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:12 pm

About the Syria-related nominations:

So far many arguments have been made, and the debate is getting a bit too dispersive for the purposes of nominations. Give the Committee 24 hours to compile the nomination list so far - we will also make proposals for a possible unification of some nominations.

In the meanwhile, please refrain from further in-depth analysis of the Syrian war and of its participants.
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Postby Finlarvat » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:18 pm

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It's a sad sort of situation when you have a hard time thinking of organizations who are actually actively, and legitimately, working towards peace out there in the world. We have a number of groups loudly protesting, or flag-waving, or shouting about this, that, or the other problem, but I wouldn't quite categorize their efforts as either peaceful, or encouraging peace. Some have been mentioned here already, others have not.

I cannot, for reasons I would hope might be obvious, list any American political personages. Those operating under the delusion that anything most of these people are doing is for the greater good, for selfless reasons, or for any actual peace, may need to re-examine things minus the rose-colored glasses. (That's just an opinion, mind you. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular.)

Doctors Without Borders continues to be an organization that does what it can to help those least able to help themselves, and usually, the least responsible for the horrible things going on in the worst areas of the world - the innocent bystanders, the civilians who don't know where to turn, what to do, and who are caught between two or more warring factions, and invariably, being the ones paying the ultimate price for it. That said, they've been nominated and won already.

Perhaps a spin on that, then -the doctors, nurses, and others who are working in the underground hospitals and other such places in Aleppo, primarily, and other targeted cities this past year. The people who have been attempting, without sufficient water, power, tools, medicine, without sanitary conditions, and under threat of, or actual bombardment, still valiantly attempting to do what they can to save lives.

The people doing brain surgery on blood-soaked floors in the middle of recovery rooms because there is no other option. The people working feverishly to remove ball bearings from the spines, brains, livers, and other parts of children who have been hit by cluster bombs with the markings of supposedly 'civilized' countries on them (yes, that would be Russia). The people who have no time to clean the mess up in between operations because of the constant flow of humanity into these often dimly-lit, maze-like structures, sometimes as the buildings collapse around them.

The people showing a sense of humanity in a place where that word seems to have lost meaning in all the pointless politically-driven bloodshed.

I figure that'd be my nomination this year. It's the best I can think of. It may not be actively encouraging peace, but it's bringing what peace they can to those who are suffering from a severe lack of it.

I don't think that you can nominate MSF, aka Doctors Without Borders. They won it last year, thus making them ineligible. Have you read the OP?
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