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Postby Cerillium » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:05 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:In the event of the removal of Donald Trump, I'm putting forth an alternative standard bearer for Trump and Duterte supporters'. My nomination for Donald Trump still stands, but should Trump be removed I'll be formally putting forward this alternative:

I nominate nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons have been used by every single arbiter of peace, from the United States to Russia to China, to avert war between each other due to the fear of Mutually Assured Destruction. Thanks to them there has been no World War III, IV or V. The saving of the seven billion people on this Earth from the horrors experienced in 1939-45 should not be taken for granted. It is time to give nuclear weapons the credit they deserve - they've been waiting since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which saved millions that would have inevitably died in a conventional invasion of Japan.


I assume this should be ok - nuclear weapons are an inanimate object still existing after all.

INANIMATED OBJECTS accepted also, provided they are single, physical objects still existing at the moment of the nomination. As a guideline, it should be something eligible as UNESCO World Heritage (material or immaterial).
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:09 am

Cerillium wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:In the event of the removal of Donald Trump, I'm putting forth an alternative standard bearer for Trump and Duterte supporters'. My nomination for Donald Trump still stands, but should Trump be removed I'll be formally putting forward this alternative:

I nominate nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons have been used by every single arbiter of peace, from the United States to Russia to China, to avert war between each other due to the fear of Mutually Assured Destruction. Thanks to them there has been no World War III, IV or V. The saving of the seven billion people on this Earth from the horrors experienced in 1939-45 should not be taken for granted. It is time to give nuclear weapons the credit they deserve - they've been waiting since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which saved millions that would have inevitably died in a conventional invasion of Japan.


I assume this should be ok - nuclear weapons are an inanimate object still existing after all.

INANIMATED OBJECTS accepted also, provided they are single, physical objects still existing at the moment of the nomination. As a guideline, it should be something eligible as UNESCO World Heritage (material or immaterial).

Right, so this is a-ok. If I need to get more specific, I'll be nominating the LGM-30 Minuteman or the Trident D5.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:22 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Cerillium wrote:INANIMATED OBJECTS accepted also, provided they are single, physical objects still existing at the moment of the nomination. As a guideline, it should be something eligible as UNESCO World Heritage (material or immaterial).

Right, so this is a-ok. If I need to get more specific, I'll be nominating the LGM-30 Minuteman or the Trident D5.


I think nuclear missile is very specific. If not, you can always nominate a set of inanimate objects, so you could just list all nukes. Personally, I think that Topol-M should be included :P
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:55 pm

Unless my count is wrong it seems like Trump will win unless disqualified out of . . . vulgar language I guess?

I for one am full of hope for the future Donald can, or more likely could have brought to Asia, and with the change he would bring over internal politics. Fortunately, we have his portrait.

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Postby Navaronia » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:58 pm

The votes for trump, is to my understanding, trolling in its simplest form. But freedom and speech and all! (on the internet)

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:01 pm

Navaronia wrote:The votes for trump, is to my understanding, trolling in its simplest form. But freedom and speech and all! (on the internet)


Trolling, you mean something that people would want to do to the establishment for trying to nominate Bush-Clinton? :P

Anyways, we haven't started voting on the Peace Prize yet, I think there's usually a poll when the actual voting starts.
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:25 am

So what's happening this time?
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Postby Minoa » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:18 am

Herskerstad wrote:So what's happening this time?

I echo the poster’s concern: it is nearing a week since the original closure date of nominations. It would be best for Risottia to clarify on whether the extension went ahead.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:47 pm

Asigna wrote:I nominate Rodrigo Roa Duterte for refusing to abide by a proxy war, confrontation with China, proceeding with bilateral negotiations, kicking the US soldiers out of the Philippines to prevent them from being subject to attacks or rile up tension and preventing Southeast Asia from being a spark plug for world war 3.

And for negotiating with communist party rebels and Moro rebels.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:30 pm

In the best-case scenario, the deadline would have closed five-and-a-half hours ago.
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:17 pm

I think that Ris is just dealing with IRL issues, and if we're patient, he'll be back and clarify everything. Besides, my nomination's already in :P
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:15 pm

Risottia wrote:
Philjia wrote:I wouldn't say that was active, given that we've already extracted all possible knowledge from it.

It's still existing, so yeah, the Rosetta Stone is perfectly eligible.

How has the Rosetta Stone contributed to "the cause of human rights and/or peace"?

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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:39 am

Any news about the prize? The Committee has not made a major decision since failing to decide whether to exclude Donald Trump, and this thread as a whole has gone quiet.
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Postby Minoa » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:21 am

Tinhampton wrote:Any news about the prize? The Committee has not made a major decision since failing to decide whether to exclude Donald Trump, and this thread as a whole has gone quiet.

See viewtopic.php?p=30141501#p30141501

Hi, I am only a committee member. I can make recommendations, but the decision of Risottia is final. However, if the inactivity is too long, the last resort is that I can make some arrangements on NSindex (MediaWiki has an extension called "SecurePoll", used also on the Wikimedia projects).
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:51 pm

Is this still on?
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Postby Auristania » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:15 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Risottia wrote:It's still existing, so yeah, the Rosetta Stone is perfectly eligible.

How has the Rosetta Stone contributed to "the cause of human rights and/or peace"?

Education is an essential Human Right and Rosetta has contributed immeasurably to Education.

There was a nomination for Mallala. This year of years, Mallala has contributed more to Human Rights than Rosetta; so we will nominate Rosetta next year.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:55 pm

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Postby Minoa » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:50 am

* Committee hat on *

Amid concerns that Risottia has neglected the prize, I have to do my own assessment. The valid candidates from my assessment are:

  1. AllTrails (1) (Philjia)
    For advocating that every clinical trial be registered on a database and their results made publicly available in the interest of improving public health.
  2. Amnesty International (1) (Minoa)
    For their long-established and continuous work to defend human rights.
  3. Ban Ki-moon (1) (The Great Devourer of All)
    For his dedication to alleviate the damage caused by the Aleppo debacle and other similar humanitarian crises.
  4. Black Lives Matter (1) (Yootxtlalkaan)
    For bringing attention to police brutality in the United States, for advocating criminal justice reform, and for reviving and continuing the black civil rights movement of the 1960s.
  5. Blue Shield International (3) (The Archregimancy, supported by Thermodolia and Seylland)
    For their efforts to protect global cultural heritage for future generations.
  6. Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople Bartholomew I (1) (New Werpland)
    For his efforts towards increased minority rights in Turkey, the improvement of relations with the Catholics, and unity of the Orthodoxy.
  7. Juan Manuel Santos and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (2) (Shrillland (w), supported by Pope Joan, Napkiraly, Outer Sparta (w) and Geilinor (w))
    For their ongoing efforts to end a civil conflict that had lasted for over six decades.
  8. Kurdish Defenders of Kobane (2) (Shofercia, supported by Geilinor (w), Bakery Hill and Socialist Tera)
    For supporting women's rights and upholding democratic values even while facing the assault of ISIL.
  9. Project Semicolon (4) (Nanatsu no Tsuki, supported by Minzerland II, Idzequitch and Outer Sparta)
    For their efforts to reduce suicide rates worldwide, by raising awareness about suicide, mental illness and addiction.
  10. Rescuers, Nurses and Doctors of Aleppo (5) (European Guilds and Dread Lady Nathicana, supported by Cerillium, Geilinor and Neutraligon)
    For intervening to save civillians trapped in the rubble and injured because of the catastrophic bombings in the Syrian Civil War.
  11. Rosetta Stone (1) (Auristania)
    For improving our understanding of Egyptian Civilization, because of its trilingual inscription in Greek and Hieroglyphics.

(List corrected on 4 November 2016)

Given that there are 11 valid nominations and 6 nominees with one nominations, I may do a two-round poll to decide which of the one-nomination candidates should be eliminated. This would happen whether or not Duterte or Trump was accepted.

The invalid candidates were:

- Harambe: 2 (Maurepas, The Liberated Territories) - Rejected on the advice of Farnhamia.
- Médecins Sans Frontières: 2 (Shamhnan Insir, Neutraligon) - winner of the 2015 award.
- CITES: 1 (Shamhnan Insir) - Rejected because the reasons were more related to the environment than peace or human rights.
- Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi: 1 (Scandinavian Nations) - Rejected because the nominee committed serious human rights abuses.
- Donald Trump: 10 (Even Less of Mackonia (Scandinavian Nations, Panslavicland, Tinhampton, Great Kauthar, Wolfmanne2, Herskerstad, Aelex, Brilliania, Brilliania) - Rejected due to the nominee’s history of racism and derogatory comments against Latin Americans and Muslims. I am not willing to take the risk of allowing his nomination, for the sake of preserving the integrity and sanity of the prize.
- International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement: 1 (Len Hyet) - Rejected (by Risottia) because the nominator did not explain how the Movement’s work contributed to peace or human rights.
- Rodrigo Duterte: 2 (Asigna, Tumbra) - Rejected because the nominee made derogatory comments in regards to the Jewish Holocaust, and advocated vigilante killings in relation to the crackdown on the drugs trade.
- Justin Trudeau: 1 (New Dukaine) - Rejected because the nominator did not explain exactly how his leadership positively contributed to peace or human rights.
- Malala Yousafzai: 1 (Praeotoria) - winner of the 2013 award.
- Julie Bishop: 1 (Freyhill) - Rejected because the nominator did not explain exactly how Bishop’s work positively contributed to peace or human rights.
- LGM-30 Minuteman and the Trident D5 (Nuclear Weapons) - 1 (Wolfmanne2) - Rejected because the nominator did not explain exactly how nuclear weapons positively contributed to peace, let alone even prevent conventional conflict.
- Michael Gove: 1 (Tinhampton) - Rejected because the nominator did not explain exactly how Gove’s justice and education reform positively contributed to peace or human rights.

No nominations can be added or removed now (since 15 October 2016). This stage allows readers to confirm if I missed anything (other than the decision to drop Duterte and Trump on ethical grounds): if Risottia should not respond by 4 November 2016, I will be willing to host the first round on behalf of the committee.

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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:59 am

So let me get this straight. Mr. Kim Jong Il can not only run, but win the price. However Donald Trump can not?

What a joke.
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Postby Minoa » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:09 am

Herskerstad wrote:So let me get this straight. Mr. Kim Jong Il can not only run, but win the price. However Donald Trump can not?

What a joke.

Kim Jong il won the prize in 2010 at the time when the idea was a joke and not as serious as it would be now. Obviously the prize is being taken a lot more seriously because we have produced deserving winners, especially after giving Malala the prize a year ahead of Nobel. Sadly, Donald Trump’s history of racism and derogatory comments against Latin Americans and Muslims, references already provided, did not impress me.

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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:33 am

Minoa wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:So let me get this straight. Mr. Kim Jong Il can not only run, but win the price. However Donald Trump can not?

What a joke.

Kim Jong il won the prize in 2010 at the time when the idea was a joke and not as serious as it would be now. Obviously the prize is being taken a lot more seriously because we have produced deserving winners, especially after giving Malala the prize a year ahead of Nobel. Sadly, Donald Trump’s history of racism and derogatory comments against Latin Americans and Muslims, references already provided, did not impress me.

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You get his son, Putin, Castro, and numerous other figures, many with sizeable discrepancies and controversies passed later on without any real rancour.

As far as Trump's racism goes, present it. The article you did presupposed nothing which indicated a belief that the white race is superior to all others, or that people of another colour should by merit of such be subject to different laws. You know, things which actually would be racist.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:36 am

Herskerstad wrote:
Minoa wrote:Kim Jong il won the prize in 2010 at the time when the idea was a joke and not as serious as it would be now. Obviously the prize is being taken a lot more seriously because we have produced deserving winners, especially after giving Malala the prize a year ahead of Nobel. Sadly, Donald Trump’s history of racism and derogatory comments against Latin Americans and Muslims, references already provided, did not impress me.

-- Minoa


You get his son, Putin, Castro, and numerous other figures, many with sizeable discrepancies and controversies passed later on without any real rancour.

As far as Trump's racism goes, present it. The article you did presupposed nothing which indicated a belief that the white race is superior to all others, or that people of another colour should by merit of such be subject to different laws. You know, things which actually would be racist.

Personally, I'd say it was the fact that he was sued by the Justice Department for housing discrimination.
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Postby Even Less of Mackonia » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:41 am

You are not in any authority to randomly void candidates because they don't fit some vague a priori criteria which ultimately boils down to your feelings. Let Risotia decide who stands when they get online. I simply reiterate my point that this is a peace prize, not a politeness prize. Your objection has failed to counter the reasons I gave for nomination. And thus it stands. Similarly I think drawing a distinction between "Serious times" and "lol just LARPing #generalitebanter!!! we gave the peace prize to Kim Chong In!!! xd!" Is fairly vacuous. If you continue to just arbitrarily remove candidates until you get the right one, we may have to set up a separate peace prize to ensure fairness.
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Postby South Park Labourite » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:44 am

Even Less of Mackonia wrote:You are not in any authority to randomly void candidates because they don't fit some vague a priori criteria which ultimately boils down to your feelings. Let Risotia decide who stands when they get online. I simply reiterate my point that this is a peace prize, not a politeness prize. Your objection has failed to counter the reasons I gave for nomination. And thus it stands. Similarly I think drawing a distinction between "Serious times" and "lol just LARPing #generalitebanter!!! we gave the peace prize to Kim Chong In!!! xd!" Is fairly vacuous. If you continue to just arbitrarily remove candidates until you get the right one, we may have to set up a separate peace prize to ensure fairness.

So nuclear weapons, Trump and Duterte are rejected.

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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:45 am

Eol Sha wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
You get his son, Putin, Castro, and numerous other figures, many with sizeable discrepancies and controversies passed later on without any real rancour.

As far as Trump's racism goes, present it. The article you did presupposed nothing which indicated a belief that the white race is superior to all others, or that people of another colour should by merit of such be subject to different laws. You know, things which actually would be racist.

Personally, I'd say it was the fact that he was sued by the Justice Department for housing discrimination.


You mean the one which was settled without him having to even admit guilt?

In what fantasy land does that prove racism? And more importantly, him direction policies that would be racist rather than say a staffer?
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