Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

[New confederate ramenia]

The inquisition is simply the effort to root out heresy, "incorrect teachings." To correct the body of believers from any false teachings that had taken root. Like this St Death issue, it's heresy and needs to be put down. Unfortunately this process has been used for political gain and often been used to justify egregious crimes against humanity in the past so that nobody looks up such a thing positively.

I think if we target the source of the heresy, which is Mexican gang culture and regional violence, eventually this issue will pass so long as the Church preaches the right things.

Its not exactly just violence that's causing this. General cultural Catholicism and superstition also plays a big role.

Seems like a natural consequence of veneration of saints.

Veneration of Saints is reverence for tradition and honor, Puritan.

>Muslim defending veneration of saints
Nice

[Urran]

The inquisition is simply the effort to root out heresy, "incorrect teachings." To correct the body of believers from any false teachings that had taken root. Like this St Death issue, it's heresy and needs to be put down. Unfortunately this process has been used for political gain and often been used to justify egregious crimes against humanity in the past so that nobody looks up such a thing positively.

I'm fine with a inquisition, as long as they only do their activities peacefully and don't bother non-Christians Catholics.

Fixed it for you

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I'm fine with a inquisition, as long as they only do their activities peacefully and don't bother non-Christians Catholics.

Fixed it for you

Ehhh, doesn't matter to me, I'd prefer a inquisition for each seperate sect, one for Catholic, one for Protestants and so on.

[Urran]

Fixed it for you

Ehhh, doesn't matter to me, I'd prefer a inquisition for each seperate sect, one for Catholic, one for Protestants and so on.

Except protestants don't have a hierarchical system like the Catholics do. So there's literally no one to carry out an inquisition

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Ehhh, doesn't matter to me, I'd prefer a inquisition for each seperate sect, one for Catholic, one for Protestants and so on.

Except protestants don't have a hierarchical system like the Catholics do. So there's literally no one to carry out an inquisition

True.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Ehhh, doesn't matter to me, I'd prefer a inquisition for each seperate sect, one for Catholic, one for Protestants and so on.

Except protestants don't have a hierarchical system like the Catholics do. So there's literally no one to carry out an inquisition

Hence why heresy abounds in Protestant sects.


Edit: okay that comes off a bit harsh. What I mean is, there are radically different doctrines that nobody can agree upon with each sect calling all other sects wrong and damning them to hell... unless you're Episcopalian and the it's all chill man

[Urran]

Except protestants don't have a hierarchical system like the Catholics do. So there's literally no one to carry out an inquisition

Hence why heresy abounds in Protestant sects.

You say heresy, we say truth. And round the mulberry bush we go.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Hence why heresy abounds in Protestant sects.

You say heresy, we say truth. And round the mulberry bush we go.

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[Tarsonis Survivors]

Hence why heresy abounds in Protestant sects.

You say heresy, we say truth. And round the mulberry bush we go.

But if there are 3000 versions of the truth, what is truly true. Is there truth? And who's true? Without authority, heirarchy and hegemony, what standards of truth exist?

[Urran]

You say heresy, we say truth. And round the mulberry bush we go.

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Fair enough. While I might not agree with the vast majority of the catholic teachings that I know about, I don't believe you're all going to hell. As long as you've accepted Christ and follow his teachings I believe that you're saved.

[Urran]

You say heresy, we say truth. And round the mulberry bush we go.

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Fair enough. While I might not agree with the vast majority of the catholic teachings that I know about, I don't believe you're all going to hell. As long as you've accepted Christ and follow his teachings I believe that you're saved.

[Reverend Norv]

You say heresy, we say truth. And round the mulberry bush we go.

But if there are 3000 versions of the truth, what is truly true. Is there truth? And who's true? Without authority, heirarchy and hegemony, what standards of truth exist?

The inward guidance of the Holy Spirit upon the redeemed soul, expressed through the continuing and ever-changing revelation provided by the sacred Scriptures.

[Urran]

You say heresy, we say truth. And round the mulberry bush we go.

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Fair enough. While I might not agree with the vast majority of the catholic teachings that I know about, I don't believe you're all going to hell. As long as you've accepted Christ and follow his teachings I believe that you're saved.

[Urran]

You say heresy, we say truth. And round the mulberry bush we go.

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Fair enough. While I might not agree with the vast majority of the catholic teachings that I know about, I don't believe you're all going to hell. As long as you've accepted Christ and follow his teachings I believe that you're saved.

[Nordengrund]

You say heresy, we say truth. And round the mulberry bush we go.

But if there are 3000 versions of the truth, what is truly true. Is there truth? And who's true? Without authority, heirarchy and hegemony, what standards of truth exist?

The majority of modern Protestants believe that all Protestant denominations have true believers in them. There are a lot of things we disagree on, but many Protestants see these things that are not essential for salvation. On areas like sola fide, the Trinity, sola scriptura, etc., Protestants are in full agreement.

A lot of denominations also arose over political or geographical reasons rather than theological. Two denominations may have the same theological beliefs, but one is more politically conservative while the other leans liberal. Others may be ethnic, like the National Baptists are black churches while Southern Baptists were predominantly white but becoming increasingly diverse, racially.

Some Christians may agree with a denomimation's beliefs, but there may be no churches in his area of that denomination, so he starts his own.

[Urran]

My internet died and apparently posted 86 times while I repeatedly hit the post button in frustration. I apologize for the spam

[Camaalbakrius]

Seems like a natural consequence of veneration of saints.

Veneration of Saints is reverence for tradition and honor, Puritan.

When you least expect it, expect it. But nobody expects it, so when you expect it most, it will be when you least expect it. I just literally made no sense, what did I even just write.

[Camaalbakrius]

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Fair enough. While I might not agree with the vast majority of the catholic teachings that I know about, I don't believe you're all going to hell. As long as you've accepted Christ and follow his teachings I believe that you're saved.

What changes is the time in purgatory
Jk, that only applies to sin

[Angleter]

I think if we target the source of the heresy, which is Mexican gang culture and regional violence, eventually this issue will pass so long as the Church preaches the right things.

Its not exactly just violence that's causing this. General cultural Catholicism and superstition also plays a big role.

It seems as though veneration of death in general is a holdover from pre-Columbian paganism, but to be honest, I think Santa Muerte is more a 'new religious movement' than anything else. It was a fairly minor cult until about 15 years ago, and it seems to be predominantly a repository for all of Catholicism's malcontents - gang members, LGBT people, and (most of all) the urban poor. It's a blank slate onto which you can project your own theology, which provides validation and reassurance.

In other Latin American countries, of course, the urban poor have been flocking towards prosperity gospel Pentecostal churches - in Mexico, Santa Muerte is taking a lot of that constituency. Both phenomena originate in the same failings of the Catholic hierarchy.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

But if there are 3000 versions of the truth, what is truly true. Is there truth? And who's true? Without authority, heirarchy and hegemony, what standards of truth exist?

The inward guidance of the Holy Spirit upon the redeemed soul, expressed through the continuing and ever-changing revelation provided by the sacred Scriptures.

And which, of the 3000 different versions of the truth, is the one the Holy Spirit is dictating?

[Urran]

Fair enough. While I might not agree with the vast majority of the catholic teachings that I know about, I don't believe you're all going to hell. As long as you've accepted Christ and follow his teachings I believe that you're saved.

What changes is the time in purgatory
Jk, that only applies to sin

So you do believe in purgatory? That's certainly interesting.

[Camaalbakrius]

What changes is the time in purgatory
Jk, that only applies to sin

So you do believe in purgatory? That's certainly interesting.

Yes. It's called Catholic Doctrine

[Camaalbakrius]

I saw a picture that said this:
Jesus: "Peter, before I die, you will deny me three times"
Peter: "Lord, I would never do that!"
Jesus: "Just for the record, I'm ignoring that one."

Lol

[Tarsonis Survivors]

So you do believe in purgatory? That's certainly interesting.

Yes. It's called Catholic Doctrine

Now now, no need to get snarky

[Soldati Senza Confini]

In other Latin American countries, of course, the urban poor have been flocking towards prosperity gospel Pentecostal churches - in Mexico, Santa Muerte is taking a lot of that constituency. Both phenomena originate in the same failings of the Catholic hierarchy.

It doesn't really help when your churches take "narcolimosnas" (lit: narco-tithes), which is basically drug lords and gang members giving tithes to the church from illicit gains.

But sure, we'll obey the Catholic Church, after all, they're not known to just want money in Latin America from tithing and other public works and then they pretty much leave us alone to do our thing. Nope, not at all.

Never change, Latin American Catholic Church. You're doing real well over there.