Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

[Herskerstad]

So-called Santa Muerte is a horrible perversion of veneration of the saints.

"Hey kids! Wanna go worship DEATH?"

I would assume venerate.

[Conscentia]

This is objectively bad.

[Herskerstad]

This is objectively bad.

[New confederate ramenia]

This is objectively bad.

Oh you'll find all manner of local saints. There was a local saint of Cartels and drug dealers also if I recall, just in case Walter White needed to embrace religion.

Malverde?

So-called Santa Muerte is a horrible perversion of veneration of the saints.

"Hey kids! Wanna go worship DEATH?"

I know worshipping Santa Muerte is bad, but so is the whole "death is super evil and bad xddd" thing.

[Luminesa]

"Hey kids! Wanna go worship DEATH?"

I would assume venerate.

THANK YOU HERSK.

[Jamzmania]

This is objectively bad.

Seems like a natural consequence of veneration of saints.

[Herskerstad]

I would assume venerate.

THANK YOU HERSK.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Figurines of Santa Muerte for sale in Sonora Market, Mexico City.
Rites dedicated to Our Lady of the Holy Death include processions and prayers with the aim of gaining a favor.[10] Some believers of Santa Muerte remain members of the Catholic Church,[16] while millions are cutting ties with the Caholic Church and founding independent Santa Muerte churches and temples.[26] Altars of Santa Muerte temples generally contain one or multiple images of the Lady, generally surrounded by any or all of the following: cigarettes, flowers, fruit, incense, water, alcoholic beverages, coins, candies and candles.[3][10]

That is legitimately amazing. I knew folk Catholicism was ripe in Mexico, but not to THIS level.

[Luminesa]

THANK YOU HERSK.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Figurines of Santa Muerte for sale in Sonora Market, Mexico City.
Rites dedicated to Our Lady of the Holy Death include processions and prayers with the aim of gaining a favor.[10] Some believers of Santa Muerte remain members of the Catholic Church,[16] while millions are cutting ties with the Caholic Church and founding independent Santa Muerte churches and temples.[26] Altars of Santa Muerte temples generally contain one or multiple images of the Lady, generally surrounded by any or all of the following: cigarettes, flowers, fruit, incense, water, alcoholic beverages, coins, candies and candles.[3][10]

That is legitimately amazing. I knew folk Catholicism was ripe in Mexico, but not to THIS level.

Venerating death...never a good thing...

[Salus Maior]

Venerating death...never a good thing...

Very contradictory to the Christian message, at the very least.

There's just not a good reason to do it while remaining Christian.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Is this a good thing or a bad one?

So-called Santa Muerte is a horrible perversion of veneration of the saints.

Next we'll see saints accused for a number of things.

[-Fahrong-]

This is objectively bad.

This is why we need the Inquisition.

[Urran]

So Catholics actually do pray to saints?"

[Salus Maior]

So Catholics actually do pray to saints?"

It's not prayer as in praying to God.

It's asking those Saints to pray for you. It's called Intercession.

[-Fahrong-]

Oh boy. My region has lost it. Discussion over whether or not Adam and Eve are literal have kicked up quite a storm.

[Jochizyd Republic]

This is objectively bad.

Seems like a natural consequence of veneration of saints.

Veneration of Saints is reverence for tradition and honor, Puritan.

[Urran]

So Catholics actually do pray to saints?"

It's not prayer as in praying to God.

It's asking those Saints to pray for you. It's called Intercession.

In Protestantism intercession is when you pray for someone else with fervor. We don't have saints

[The Princes of the Universe]

This is objectively bad.

This is why we need the Inquisition.

It's a lot more than this, but I can think of few other things that showcase it quite so clearly.

[Urran]

This is why we need the Inquisition.

It's a lot more than this, but I can think of few other things that showcase it quite so clearly.

Inquisition? Sounds....scary.

[The Princes of the Universe]

It's a lot more than this, but I can think of few other things that showcase it quite so clearly.

Inquisition? Sounds....scary.

The right thing isn't always achieved through duckies and bunnies.

[Urran]

Inquisition? Sounds....scary.

The right thing isn't always achieved through duckies and bunnies.

So we're forcing people to follow the correct path? Doesn't sound very Christ like. Unless I don't understand the term inquisition.

[Salus Maior]

It's not prayer as in praying to God.

It's asking those Saints to pray for you. It's called Intercession.

In Protestantism intercession is when you pray for someone else with fervor. We don't have saints

Yes, exactly. It's the same concept.

As Protestants intercede for each other, or ask for living Christians to intercede for them, Catholics and Orthodox do the same with Christians who they believe have made it to Heaven (Saints). They don't believe that death separates believers.

I'm not Catholic or Orthodox, just so you know. (Kind of in-between denominations at the moment)

Oh boy. My region has lost it. Discussion over whether or not Adam and Eve are literal have kicked up quite a storm.

Your NS region I assume?

Honestly, does it matter if they were real or not? The point of their story is what matters.

This is why we need the Inquisition.

I don't think the use of force will help at all. The article notes that the increasing violence in the region and the gang culture of Mexico has fueled this, no? How would heaping Zealots on top of that help?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The right thing isn't always achieved through duckies and bunnies.

So we're forcing people to follow the correct path? Doesn't sound very Christ like. Unless I don't understand the term inquisition.

The inquisition is simply the effort to root out heresy, "incorrect teachings." To correct the body of believers from any false teachings that had taken root. Like this St Death issue, it's heresy and needs to be put down. Unfortunately this process has been used for political gain and often been used to justify egregious crimes against humanity in the past so that nobody looks up such a thing positively.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

This is objectively bad.

Seems like a natural consequence of veneration of saints.

Oh, really? Care to walk us through your reasoning? Or are you just spouting off to be provocative again?

[Salus Maior]

So we're forcing people to follow the correct path? Doesn't sound very Christ like. Unless I don't understand the term inquisition.

The inquisition is simply the effort to root out heresy, "incorrect teachings." To correct the body of believers from any false teachings that had taken root. Like this St Death issue, it's heresy and needs to be put down. Unfortunately this process has been used for political gain and often been used to justify egregious crimes against humanity in the past so that nobody looks up such a thing positively.

I think if we target the source of the heresy, which is Mexican gang culture and regional violence, eventually this issue will pass so long as the Church preaches the right things.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

So we're forcing people to follow the correct path? Doesn't sound very Christ like. Unless I don't understand the term inquisition.

The inquisition is simply the effort to root out heresy, "incorrect teachings." To correct the body of believers from any false teachings that had taken root. Like this St Death issue, it's heresy and needs to be put down. Unfortunately this process has been used for political gain and often been used to justify egregious crimes against humanity in the past so that nobody looks up such a thing positively.

I'm fine with a inquisition, as long as they only do their activities peacefully and don't bother non-Christians.